Why water??

[AndriaD]

I wasn't arguing. Just saying that I haven't noticed any differencein vapor or dry mouth. But with the frequency I've read 'drink, drink, drink' I was wondering if I've missed something. My mouth is always dry. That's why I always have a drink in my hand or very close. Since elementary school. I'd keep a drink in my bag and sneak it in class. So, that could contribute to why I havent noticed also.

I know, but so many people dispute that PG/VG are dehydrating, but it does give you a dry mouth, so there's clearly something going on with the moisture there, to be able to notice its lack.

My problem was that I was borderline-dehydrated for many years, for several reasons -- one of them being, all-day-long consumption of black tea, about 10 cups a day. And one of my medications depletes potassium, which is already somewhat of a problem when dehydrated. if you add vaping to THAT mess, it's bound to both a) make the dehydration worse, and b) royally screw up the electrolytes because of the dehydration becoming even worse. That's why I find coconut water so valuable.

Andria

 

[Alien Traveler]

if you use a dripper and expose your coil and fire it, you can notice the difference when you blow on the coil as opposed to just firing it without blowing.

Should we talk about airflow?

Source?

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/how-vapor-is-born.672966/

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

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https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/how-vapor-is-born.672966/

all I need to do is look at the windshield after I have been vaping in my car to know it isn't water vapor, but I'd be interested in seeing how much, if any, water vapor is exhaled vapor...but I was hoping for a link to an actual study, because I drink at least a gallon of water daily usually but still get a very dry mouth when chain vaping

 

[Bunnykiller]

Dehydration from vaping is a TOTAL myth....

VG, PG can only adsorb 40% of its volume in moisture .... so, if you vape 10 ml of VG,PG or a mix of them, it will absorb only 4 ml of moisture from your body.... 4 ml is almost a teaspoon and a half of fluid....
yes it will make your mouth feel dry but its not going to dehydrate you...

 

[stevegmu]

Put a clothes pin on your nose all day, mouth breathe and don't vape and see if your mouth gets dry...

 

[DC2]

I use very little VG (15%) but still have vapor. The PG and VG cause the effect, but there is more vapor exhaled than could be explained solely by the PG/VG -- some of it comes from the inside of the mouth and throat.

And a lot of it, if not most, comes from the ambient air.

 

[Bunnykiller]

if you use a dripper and expose your coil and fire it, you can notice the difference when you blow on the coil as opposed to just firing it without blowing.

just did a test.... loaded up the Velocity on my IPV4, went outside, pulled the cap on the velocity and took an air hose and nozzle and gently allowed air to blow across the coil/wick.... it created more vapor than I could while blowing on it with my own breath... the R.H. today is about 55%... my breath, 100%.... 55% created more vapor
btw the watts were set at 45 on the IPV4 for both tests...

 

[DC2]

By the way, here is an old thread for anyone interested...
Vaping Myths: Are we exhaling water vapor?

 

[beckdg]

I think most people born after 1985 in the US suffer from dry mouth; that's why you see people walking around with water bottles. Even people just going shopping for cereal at the Walmart take a bottle of water in with them. My theory is it is the plastics used in water bottles and chemical leaching which causes dry mouth...

Maybe it's just because they're in the cereal lounge and have to fit in.

Seems legit.

Tapatyped

 

[DC2]

just did a test.... loaded up the Velocity on my IPV4, went outside, pulled the cap on the velocity and took an air hose and nozzle and gently allowed air to blow across the coil/wick.... it created more vapor than I could while blowing on it with my own breath... the R.H. today is about 55%... my breath, 100%.... 55% created more vapor
btw the watts were set at 45 on the IPV4 for both tests...

What if your breath was having a cooling effect on the coil?
Because other than that I can't envision any scientific explanation for your results.

 

[Alien Traveler]

all I need to do is look at the windshield after I have been vaping in my car to know it isn't water vapor, but I'd be interested in seeing how much, if any, water vapor is exhaled vapor...but I was hoping for a link to an actual study, because I drink at least a gallon of water daily usually but still get a very dry mouth when chain vaping

Just breathing trough mouth leads to dry mouth - isn't chain vaping is like breathing trough mouth?. VG and PG can somewhat help here.

 

[stevegmu]

Just breathing trough mouth leads to dry mouth - isn't chain vaping is like breathing trough mouth?. VG and PG can somewhat help here.

All vaping is mouth breathing, unless they have the drip tip stuck up one nostril...

 

[Bunnykiller]

Just breathing trough mouth leads to dry mouth - isn't chain vaping is like breathing trough mouth?. VG and PG can somewhat help here.

you have a point because BioTene ( for dry mouth) is full of PG.... and VG ( glycerin)

 

[DC2]

This is as bad a myth as the one where hospitals pump PG through their ventilation systems...

Just to clarify...

Are you saying it has never been done?
Or that it isn't currently being done as far as you know?

 

[AndriaD]

Just breathing trough mouth leads to dry mouth - isn't chain vaping is like breathing trough mouth?. VG and PG can somewhat help here.

True. When I wake up, I can tell if I've been snoring, because my mouth feels like the freaking Sahara!

Andria

 

[Bunnykiller]

What if your breath was having a cooling effect on the coil?
Because other than that I can't envision any scientific explanation for your results.

ever see those fog machines working?? the magic fluid they use in those things is a mix of water and PG... straight PG is a bit too thick to be pumped into the heater coil. and since PG can adsorb 40% of its volume in water it allows the fog cloud to be 40% better than just straight PG.... plus it helps cool the coil too by having the water involved.... thats why they need a heat up period after a hard run...

as far as having a cooling effect, most likely not.... compressed air upon release has more of a cooling factor... thinking about it now, the air nozzle most likely focused the airflow better than my breath... but still, there was alot more vapor with the nozzle....

 

[stevegmu]

Just to clarify...

Are you saying it has never been done?
Or that it isn't currently being done as far as you know?

It was done as an experiment in the 1950s and never done as a practice- now, or ever...

 

[DC2]

It was done as an experiment in the 1950s and never done as a practice- now, or ever...

I suspect you are incorrect...
http://www.epa.gov/oppsrrd1/reregistration/REDs/propylene_glycol_red.pdf

A. Regulatory History

Propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol were first registered in 1950 and 1959, respectively, by the FDA for use in hospitals as air disinfectants. At one point, there were approximately 190 pesticide chemical companies having active propylene or dipropylene glycol registrations. Many of these registrations were canceled over the years and more recently, the majority of the remaining producers of propylene and dipropylene glycol formulated pesticide products are being represented by a consortium called the CSPA (Consumer Specialty Products Association) Glycols Joint Venture. The member companies currently represented by this consortium are: Amrep, Inc., Beaumont Products, Inc., Chase Products, MEDO/SOPUS Products, Reckitt Benkiser, Inc.,

C. Use Profile

1. Propylene Glycol
The following is information on the currently registered uses of propylene glycol products and an overview of use sites and application methods. A detailed table of the uses of propylene glycol eligible for reregistration is contained in Appendix A.

Type of Pesticide: Bacteriostat, Fungistat

Summary of Use Sites:

Indoor Non-Food: Propylene glycol is used on the following use sites: air treatment (eating establishments, hospital, commercial, institutional, household, bathroom, transportational facilities); medical premises and equipment, commercial, institutional and industrial premises and equipment; laundry equipment; hard non-porous surface treatments (bathroom facilities); automobiles; air conditioning filters; pet treatment, including cats, dogs, and caged birds; environmental inanimate hard surfaces; garbage containers/storage. Target Pests: Odor-causing bacteria, Fleas, Mites, Red lice, Animal pathogenic bacteria (G- and G+ vegetative), Shigella bacteria, Pasteurella bacteria, Listeria bacteria, Herpes Simplex I and II, Animal viruses, Influenza Virus A2, Aspergillus Niger Fungus, Mold/Mildew, Pseudomonas SPP., Shigella Flexneri, Shigella Sonnei.

 

[stevegmu]

It isnt being used in ventilation systems anywhere. Just because something can be used as something doesnt mean it is... There are small, timed aerosol dispensers using PG in certain hospital rooms and locker rooms. No evidence of it being pumped through ventilation systems, short of tests..

 

[AXIOM_1]

Naw, one of the worst questions ever was by Barack Obama after signing the Iran nuclear deal when he asked "What could go wrong?

yeah you hit that one about right