Why water??

[DC2]

It isnt being used in ventilation systems anywhere. Just because something can be used as something doesnt mean it is... There are small, timed aerosol dispensers using PG in certain hospital rooms and locker rooms. No evidence of it being pumped through ventilation systems, short of tests..

In other words, propylene glycol is approved for air sanitization purposes in hospitals.
And it used for such purposes, but just not by being pumped through ventilation systems.

Thanks for the clarification.
I don't doubt that you may be right, but not sure why you are so sure.

 

[stevegmu]

In other words, propylene glycol is approved for air sanitization purposes.
And it used for such purposes, but just not by being pumped through ventilation systems.

Thanks for the clarification.
I don't doubt that you may be right, but not sure why you are so sure.

I researched this once and could find no evidence it currently is or ever was pumped into ventilation systems.I'm guessing the testing was a way to prevent Lou Gehrig's Disease. Cost, of course would be a major factor why it never saw fruition. I did find timed aerosol dispensers for sale...

 

[Alien Traveler]

It isnt being used in ventilation systems anywhere. Just because something can be used as something doesnt mean it is... There are small, timed aerosol dispensers using PG in certain hospital rooms and locker rooms. No evidence of it being pumped through ventilation systems, short of tests..

Yes. I tried to find something about this thing a bit earlier. All I have found were timed dispensers. Anything else does look like a tale.

 

[Alien Traveler]

In other words, propylene glycol is approved for air sanitization purposes in hospitals.
And it used for such purposes, but just not by being pumped through ventilation systems.

Thanks for the clarification.
I don't doubt that you may be right, but not sure why you are so sure.

It is really huge difference in amount of PG in air. Timed dispensers give rather little of it.

 

[stevegmu]

These are also nearly 100% PG, as diluted PG is used in agar, which is used to grow bacteria...

 

[LeahB]

Wow.... seems my dumb question led to a debate I didn't foresee. It's been educational so far!

 

[AndriaD]

Wow.... seems my dumb question led to a debate I didn't foresee. It's been educational so far!

It's one of those subjects of nearly endless debate around here. Some of us believe, with good reason, that it is dehydrating, others think it isn't, probably for their own reasons. I keep drinking coconut water every day because I really hated puffy ankles, and feet so sore I could barely walk on them -- which I never had, till I'd vaped for about 6 wks, and which mysteriously went completely away when I a) started drinking coconut water daily, and b) removed 80% of the caffeine from my daily intake. To me, that speaks for itself.

Andria

 

[jdawg111]

I am sorry, but that ^^^ is wrong.
VG creates visible vapor, not water (water is irrelevant here). When rewicking, do you try your new saturated wick? It creates vapor without any water.

Actually they are right. See it grabs onto whatever water it can. When you fire the newly saturatedwick its still grabbing some water from the air. When you blow on it more is coming in contact with it so it makes more vapor same as when you inhale. If something is hygroscopic then that's just how it works

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

Hmm.... I am a heavy vaper 15-20ml a day minimum, I lung hit 90% of that... If I don't consume and extra 1000ml of water a day I show pretty much all the symptoms of dehydration, I can tell right away by my urine color and it stinks quite a bit..

This did not happen when I first started with my ego, or even with something like a genitank/iClear30s it only started happening when I started to sub ohm lung hit and it is completely controllable if I drink a couple extra glasses of water per day..

There's tonnes of other factors that not may apply to everyone though, I drink a LOT of coffee I never had a problem with it before but it is a diuretic, I also have 1 or 2 beers a day usually after work again a diuretic, both of which have never dehydrated me, I always have a glass of water before my morning coffee and before I go to bed, it's been my daily ritual for at least 14-15 years.

I really like a warm vape, when it's cool it just isn't enough for me, this could be part of it after all we are pretty much holding a heating element to our faces and directly inhaling vapor off said coil so that my have something to do with it more so probably just dry mouth though. I have a feeling it has more to do with glycerin/propylene glycol, glycerin/propylene glycol are humectants, it's a type moisturizer that works by drawing water to the surface of the skin to moisturize it and it may be just a simple fact of some of us coming in way way more contact with them than others since sub-ohm'ers generally come in contact with much much more vapor than others, I used to go through 3-5ml a day no problems at all and only since I increased it has it appeared.

I'm not a scientist or a doctor please don't take what I say as fact but after extensive analysis this is the only conclusion I've come to, I've actually gone to the doctor about my dehydration because it is a symptom of diabetes luckily showed up as negative.

 

[Vapez]

Before vaping > 1l a day

After vaping > 2-3l

Else I get headaches, nauseous, energyloss etc.

 

[Bunnykiller]

okay.... this is for those who believe vaping dehydrates the user...

how much water can VG/PG take out of your system??
how many ml of juice do you go thru in a day?
and how much water do you feel you need per day now that you are vaping... or lets put it this way, how much more water are you drinking because you vape compared to when you didnt vape?

for example: you vape 10 ml and you say you need an extra 2 liters of water since you vape...
if thats the case then you are implying that the VG/PG has an ability to adsorb 200+ times its volume in water in about 3-8 seconds ( the time it is inside you being exposed to the moisture)

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

how much water can VG/PG take out of your system??
how many ml of juice do you go thru in a day?
and how much water do you feel you need per day now that you are vaping... or lets put it this way, how much more water are you drinking because you vape compared to when you didnt vape?

15-20ml
None when I vaped low amounts of liquid, about a liter now......
read my post a couple posts up, It shows why I think it dehydrates me..

The thing is I've become dehydrated lately and only two things in my life have changed in the last 10 or so years, I quit smoking and I started vaping...

 

[Alien Traveler]

Actually they are right. See it grabs onto whatever water it can. When you fire the newly saturatedwick its still grabbing some water from the air. When you blow on it more is coming in contact with it so it makes more vapor same as when you inhale. If something is hygroscopic then that's just how it works

I do not argue about more or less. I am just saying that VG and PG alone provide a lot of thick vapor. If you believe that water can thicken vapor even more, it is OK with me. However my (and other people) experience with water in juice is not in agreement with your statement. When I put 15% water and 85% VG in my juice (to get rid of PG) I do not see any increase in vapor production (may be even decrease). And it is not only me:

I thought you have forgotten! Thanks for the update, much appreciated.

I haven't managed to experiment a lot myself yet but I think I'll quite like start putting 5-10% water in my mixes as well. It appears to blend and wick better for me, can't say the same for vapour production though -- the vapour doesn't feel as thick like pure VG for me from first impressions.

 

[AndriaD]

Hmm.... I am a heavy vaper 15-20ml a day minimum, I lung hit 90% of that... If I don't consume and extra 1000ml of water a day I show pretty much all the symptoms of dehydration, I can tell right away by my urine color and it stinks quite a bit..

This did not happen when I first started with my ego, or even with something like a genitank/iClear30s it only started happening when I started to sub ohm lung hit and it is completely controllable if I drink a couple extra glasses of water per day..

There's tonnes of other factors that not may apply to everyone though, I drink a LOT of coffee I never had a problem with it before but it is a diuretic, I also have 1 or 2 beers a day usually after work again a diuretic, both of which have never dehydrated me, I always have a glass of water before my morning coffee and before I go to bed, it's been my daily ritual for at least 14-15 years.

I really like a warm vape, when it's cool it just isn't enough for me, this could be part of it after all we are pretty much holding a heating element to our faces and directly inhaling vapor off said coil so that my have something to do with it more so probably just dry mouth though. I have a feeling it has more to do with glycerin/propylene glycol, glycerin/propylene glycol are humectants, it's a type moisturizer that works by drawing water to the surface of the skin to moisturize it and it may be just a simple fact of some of us coming in way way more contact with them than others since sub-ohm'ers generally come in contact with much much more vapor than others, I used to go through 3-5ml a day no problems at all and only since I increased it has it appeared.

I'm not a scientist or a doctor please don't take what I say as fact but after extensive analysis this is the only conclusion I've come to, I've actually gone to the doctor about my dehydration because it is a symptom of diabetes luckily showed up as negative.

Good points. When I was having my problems with the puffy ankles and sore feet, I was a near-constant chain vaper, so along with adding daily coconut water and removing 80% of caffeine intake, I also increased my nic level so I could knock off the chain vaping, so that was probably also part of the "cure" for my problems.

Recently I've been working hard to bring my WTA level down, since I'm near the end of my year-long step-down of it, and I've noticed that my feet are a bit sore on the bottom (no puffy ankles though). Probably I'm vaping a bit more, since I'm using less WTA. Thx for reminding me that I need to NOT chain vape, if I want those bad symptoms to stay away.

Andria

 

[missyfons]

I, admittedly, don't drink enough water. But I have a couple flavors that just taste fantastic with certain sodas.

I know exactly what you mean, Almond amaretto vape then drinking some Dr. Pepper after so good! I don't know if anyone else has tried some sort of combo like that but it's amazing

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

amaretto

almond ameretto and pepsi sometimes gives me a drpepper taste lol...

Then I found out theres a drink with almond amaretto and cola called a dr pepper lol!

1/2 mug Beer
1/2 mug Cola
1 oz amaretto almost liqueur

Mix Beer and Cola in a mug
Drop in a Shot of amaretto (with the shotglass too) and chug.

 

[missyfons]

almond ameretto and pepsi sometimes gives me a drpepper taste lol...
Then I found out theres a drink with almond amaretto and cola called a dr pepper lol!

...that is all. Lol

 

[LeahB]

I've had the drink referred to. It's really good!! But I also love Irish carbombs... so who knows. (Maybe it's the drop shot glass and chug, lol)

 

[DC2]

However my (and other people) experience with water in juice is not in agreement with your statement.

It appears that some people in this thread are talking about different things.

You're talking about water IN the liquid before vaporization.
I believe I saw someone else in the thread talking about that as well with respect to fog machines.

The rest of us have been talking about water in our bodies and in ambient air...
And what happens when the now vaporized PG/VG based liquid comes into contact with it...

 

[AndriaD]

It appears that some people in this thread are talking about different things.

You're talking about water IN the liquid before vaporization.
I believe I saw someone else in the thread talking about that as well with respect to fog machines.

The rest of us have been talking about water in our bodies and in ambient air...
And what happens when the now vaporized PG/VG based liquid comes into contact with it...

Yes, exactly -- and I think the effect of dehydration is really only evident to those who start off in a near- or borderline-dehydrated state, because it just gets worse, to the point that the electrolytes get seriously out of whack. Those who start off vaping who aren't even close to being dehydrated, probably don't notice it at all, leading them to believe that "vaping dehydrates" is a myth.

Funny how that myth gave me swollen, puffy ankles and swollen, lumpy, painful feet.

Andria