Why would HR 2058 pass?

[FormulaBass]

Looking at a bill that would effectively kill a multi-billion dollar industry doesn't seem like it would be in the best interest from the government, they would be killing jobs thousands of jobs in addition to losing out on the millions of dollars of tax generated from sales and manufacturing.

I know everybody's freaking out that they want to keep their vape mostly because of its ability to be used as cessation device, but shouldn't we really be talking about how many people are going to lose their jobs? I know tobacco and big pharm are powerful, but this would be incredibly stupid from a political standpoint to let this pass.

Thoughts about this? Should we be changing the tone of our voice? What are manufactures doing to combat this, don't they stand to lose the most?

 

[RandyF]

Because they (government) are not reaching their full potential to cash in. They effectively missed the boat, now want to wipe the slate clean and start over so they can reach maximum profits.

 

[edyle]

manufacturers??

 

[Robino1]

We want HR 2058 to pass. That pushes the grandfather date to when deeming regulations take affect when they do finally get around to it. (or were proposed)

If they leave it as is, they effectively push vaping back to 2007 and the devices that were in place back then. That then removes ANY of the innovation that has progressed over these years. We can't even find where there were any refillable devices or refill liquid available back in 2007.

We NEED HR 2058 to pass.

 

[Robino1]

Link to Bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/2058/text

Section 901(b) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 387a(b)) is amended—

(1) by striking “This chapter shall apply” and inserting the following:

“(1) IN GENERAL.—This chapter shall apply”; and

(2) by adding at the end the following new paragraph:
“(2) DEEMED TOBACCO PRODUCTS.—For each tobacco product deemed subject to the requirements of the Act pursuant to paragraph (1), each reference in sections 905(j) and 910(a)—

“(A) to ‘February 15, 2007’, shall be considered to be a reference to ‘the effective date of the regulation under which a tobacco product is deemed subject to the requirements of this Act pursuant to section 901(b)(1)’; and

“(B) to ‘21 months after the date of enactment of the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act’, shall be considered to be a reference to ‘21 months after such effective date’.”.

 

[sparkky1]

Looking at a bill that would effectively kill a multi-billion dollar industry doesn't seem like it would be in the best interest from the government, they would be killing jobs thousands of jobs in addition to losing out on the millions of dollars of tax generated from sales and manufacturing.

I know everybody's freaking out that they want to keep their vape mostly because of its ability to be used as cessation device, but shouldn't we really be talking about how many people are going to lose their jobs? I know tobacco and big pharm are powerful, but this would be incredibly stupid from a political standpoint to let this pass.

Thoughts about this? Should we be changing the tone of our voice? What are manufactures doing to combat this, don't they stand to lose the most?

I
Support H.R. 2058
You should too !

 

[dbrandt01]

Like said before, we WANT it to pass. If you don't want it to be passed then good luck with the vaping in your life.

 

[FormulaBass]

We want HR 2058 to pass. That pushes the grandfather date to when deeming regulations take affect when they do finally get around to it. (or were proposed)

If they leave it as is, they effectively push vaping back to 2007 and the devices that were in place back then. That then removes ANY of the innovation that has progressed over these years. We can't even find where there were any refillable devices or refill liquid available back in 2007.

We NEED HR 2058 to pass.

I understand what you're saying but it leaves more questions than answers.

1. Who exactly wrote this bill?

2. If this bill doesn't pass, can't whoever wrote the Bill, propose a slightly new version?

 

[retired1]

The bill has to make it out of committee first. Only then can it be voted on.

 

[Robino1]

1. Who exactly wrote this bill?

This is who originally wrote the bill:
Sponsor: Rep. Cole, Tom [R-OK-4] (Introduced 04/28/2015)

These are the Co-sponsors:
Rep. Rouzer, David [R-NC-7] 04/29/2015
Rep. Guthrie, Brett [R-KY-2] 04/29/2015
Rep. Rooney, Thomas J. [R-FL-17] 04/29/2015
Rep. Hunter, Duncan D. [R-CA-50] 05/01/2015
Rep. Amodei, Mark E. [R-NV-2] 05/14/2015
Rep. Harris, Andy [R-MD-1] 05/14/2015
Rep. Jones, Walter B., Jr. [R-NC-3] 05/14/2015
Rep. Ellmers, Renee L. [R-NC-2] 05/14/2015
Rep. Pompeo, Mike [R-KS-4] 05/18/2015
Rep. Long, Billy [R-MO-7] 05/21/2015
Rep. Graves, Tom [R-GA-14] 05/21/2015
Rep. Valadao, David G. [R-CA-21] 05/21/2015
Rep. Yoder, Kevin [R-KS-3] 06/09/2015
Rep. Whitfield, Ed [R-KY-1] 06/09/2015
Rep. Hurt, Robert [R-VA-5] 06/09/2015
Rep. Brat, Dave [R-VA-7] 06/15/2015
Rep. Griffith, H. Morgan [R-VA-9] 06/15/2015
Rep. Fleischmann, Charles J. "Chuck" [R-TN-3] 06/15/2015
Rep. Rigell, E. Scott [R-VA-2] 06/15/2015
Rep. Kinzinger, Adam [R-IL-16] 06/25/2015
Rep. Barletta, Lou [R-PA-11] 07/09/2015
Rep. Shimkus, John [R-IL-15] 07/09/2015
Rep. Flores, Bill [R-TX-17] 07/09/2015
Rep. Walker, Mark [R-NC-6] 07/22/2015
Rep. Wittman, Robert J. [R-VA-1] 07/28/2015
Rep. Forbes, J. Randy [R-VA-4] 07/28/2015

2. If this bill doesn't pass, can't whoever wrote the Bill, propose a slightly new version?

Retired1 answered your second question.

 

[LimJaheyyy]

This sucks. Time to stockpile everything: Coils, Liquid, Batteries, Mods, Tanks.
I feel bad for anyone trying to stop smoking in the future, who could've started vaping.

 

[ZCAR1]

Looks like all [R]'s.

 

[Robino1]

Looks like all [R]'s.

It is. At least it is a longer list than when they started

I do wish there were more D's on there. At least ONE!

 

[papergoblin]

Looking at a bill that would effectively kill a multi-billion dollar industry doesn't seem like it would be in the best interest from the government, they would be killing jobs thousands of jobs in addition to losing out on the millions of dollars of tax generated from sales and manufacturing.

I know everybody's freaking out that they want to keep their vape mostly because of its ability to be used as cessation device, but shouldn't we really be talking about how many people are going to lose their jobs? I know tobacco and big pharm are powerful, but this would be incredibly stupid from a political standpoint to let this pass.

Thoughts about this? Should we be changing the tone of our voice? What are manufactures doing to combat this, don't they stand to lose the most?

I'm not gonna speak on the bill part but rather the lost jobs part. Do you realize the majority of the jobs you are worried about being lost are in China? The gov. gets no taxes or little taxes from that standpoint. The gov. doesn't want vaping gone, they want it taxed to death, just like alcohol, gas, and tobacco.

 

[espkh123]

I'm not gonna speak on the bill part but rather the lost jobs part. Do you realize the majority of the jobs you are worried about being lost are in China? The gov. gets no taxes or little taxes from that standpoint. The gov. doesn't want vaping gone, they want it taxed to death, just like alcohol, gas, and tobacco.

What about all the B&M stores, online suppliers, and juice manufacturers.

If the juice manufactures cannot pay the 2 million dollars per flavor and strength, they would be forced to go out of business because they are not FDA approved.

The stores will have little to sell, eventually, the overhead will be greater than the revenue forcing it to be closed.

There goes a lot of jobs.

 

[Robino1]

I think what is being misunderstood here. The bill that we are wanting to pass, is asking the FDA to push the grandfather date closer to where it won't affect all the stuff that is currently on the market.

The FDA is proposing its deeming regulations to be effective on devices that were in place 2007 to now. Anything that was available pre 2007 will not be affected.

We had some very smart people looking for anything that had refillable capability pre 2007. They could not find anything that was able to be refilled. We couldn't find anywhere that had liquid in bottles for sale to refill the devices.

The FDA Deeming Regulations (as of the last time anyone saw a copy) would effectively put a stop to any of the devices/liquids that we have come to use.

http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/ucm388395.htm
Once the proposed rule becomes final, FDA will be able to use powerful regulatory tools, such as age restrictions and rigorous scientific review of new tobacco products and claims to reduce tobacco-related disease and death.
The bolding of text by me and that is what scares the hell out of me. Once they are deemed a tobacco product, then they can do whatever the hell they want. If the underlined portion is going to use the notorious ANTZ 'scientists' to decide, we are so screwed.

We have yet to see what the FDA sent to OMB (https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb). If it is anything close to what we made comments on a year ago, it will not be pretty.

We are all still on pins and needles waiting to see what their final deeming proposal looks like.

 

[FormulaBass]

I think what is being misunderstood here. The bill that we are wanting to pass, is asking the FDA to push the grandfather date closer to where it won't affect all the stuff that is currently on the market.

The FDA is proposing its deeming regulations to be effective on devices that were in place 2007 to now. Anything that was available pre 2007 will not be affected.

We had some very smart people looking for anything that had refillable capability pre 2007. They could not find anything that was able to be refilled. We couldn't find anywhere that had liquid in bottles for sale to refill the devices.

The FDA Deeming Regulations (as of the last time anyone saw a copy) would effectively put a stop to any of the devices/liquids that we have come to use.

http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/ucm388395.htm
Once the proposed rule becomes final, FDA will be able to use powerful regulatory tools, such as age restrictions and rigorous scientific review of new tobacco products and claims to reduce tobacco-related disease and death.
The bolding of text by me and that is what scares the hell out of me. Once they are deemed a tobacco product, then they can do whatever the hell they want. If the underlined portion is going to use the notorious ANTZ 'scientists' to decide, we are so screwed.

We have yet to see what the FDA sent to OMB (https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb). If it is anything close to what we made comments on a year ago, it will not be pretty.

We are all still on pins and needles waiting to see what their final deeming proposal looks like.

So what if vaping is deemed a cessation device rather than a tobacco product? Is that the loophole we need to continue vapeing innovation?

 

[Robino1]

So what if vaping is deemed a cessation device rather than a tobacco product? Is that the loophole we need to continue vapeing innovation?

There lies the problem. If treated like a cessation device, it then goes under the Pharmaceutical drug heading. That heading vapers and a vendor* fought against back in 2009-10. The FDA seized shipments of ecigs and held them as a drug. The courts ruled that it was not a drug. They did give the FDA the opportunity to have them fall under the FDA's authority IF the FDA deemed them a tobacco product. Which is going on right now.

Yes, we have been waiting for this shoe to fall for Years.

Because they cannot be called a cessation device, vendors are NOT allowed to say that ecigs will help a person quit smoking. We, as consumers, can make that claim. We aren't selling the product.

Incidentally, that is when CASAA was formed. The idea and fruition of the organization started right here on ECF by members of ECF. Voluntarily headed by vapers that are/were members of ECF. Consumers did not have a voice. They made a voice for themselves.

*For the life of me, I cannot remember the name of the ecig company that went up against the FDA in court. I'm sure someone will help me out here....

 

[puffon]

*For the life of me, I cannot remember the name of the ecig company that went up against the FDA in court. I'm sure someone will help me out here....

Njoy?

 

[Robino1]

Njoy?

That's It! Sorry, had a brain fart.
Happens once in a while at my age