Why would HR 2058 pass?

[FormulaBass]

There lies the problem. If treated like a cessation device, it then goes under the Pharmaceutical drug heading. That heading vapers and a vendor* fought against back in 2009-10. The FDA seized shipments of ecigs and held them as a drug. The courts ruled that it was not a drug. They did give the FDA the opportunity to have them fall under the FDA's authority IF the FDA deemed them a tobacco product. Which is going on right now.

Yes, we have been waiting for this shoe to fall for Years.

Because they cannot be called a cessation device, vendors are NOT allowed to say that ecigs will help a person quit smoking. We, as consumers, can make that claim. We aren't selling the product.

Incidentally, that is when CASAA was formed. The idea and fruition of the organization started right here on ECF by members of ECF. Voluntarily headed by vapers that are/were members of ECF. Consumers did not have a voice. They made a voice for themselves.

*For the life of me, I cannot remember the name of the ecig company that went up against the FDA in court. I'm sure someone will help me out here....

So, what exactly is best case scenario?

 

[AndriaD]

So, what exactly is best case scenario?

The chinese nuke Wash DC tomorrow?

Andria

 

[Robino1]

So, what exactly is best case scenario?

Do you mean what would be the ideal outcome?

For me, I would love to see it have its own classification. Or totally left alone.

We don't live in a perfect world. Unfortunately, I don't trust the FDA to not keep their hands off.

Realistically, I just hope that it goes back to the FDA for reworking. That will buy us even more time to gather more positive data. We have a lot, just not enough to satisfy. And I probably should stop thinkin' right now. I'm depressing myself, let alone all those reading.

I'm going to keep fighting and talking and vaping. Hopefully eventually it will be accepted. It is already by a lot of normal, everyday people.

 

[Bad Ninja]

It is. At least it is a longer list than when they started

I do wish there were more D's on there. At least ONE!

It's against the "D" agenda.

 

[AndriaD]

Realistically, I just hope that it goes back to the FDA for reworking. That will buy us even more time to gather more positive data. We have a lot, just not enough to satisfy. And I probably should stop thinkin' right now. I'm depressing myself, let alone all those reading.

This is in line with what I was wondering; apparently the "deeming", as written, is EXTREMELY draconian; do we know if the white house office where it is currently is really disposed to approve such a draconian plan? Everyone seems to assume that the deeming, as written, is a foregone conclusion, but I wonder...

Andria

 

[Robino1]

do we know if the white house office where it is currently is really disposed to approve such a draconian plan?

Which is precisely why the Call to Action to call the White House was made today. Which is why we basically tied up the phone lines All.Day.Long. People were even getting busy signals up till the time the office closed.

We are trying to let them know that we are fighting back and there are a Lot of us

 

[AndriaD]

Which is precisely why the Call to Action to call the White House was made today. Which is why we basically tied up the phone lines All.Day.Long. People were even getting busy signals up till the time the office closed.

We are trying to let them know that we are fighting back and there are a Lot of us

What was the rationale for using that 2007 date? I mean, just because they've been busy turning a blind eye to the dangers of Chantix for 8 yrs, do they really expect that the rest of the world was just sitting around with their thumbs up their butts? It seems like something from a fable, "How to run gov't stupidly and corruptly so you can turn time backward" or something.

Andria

 

[Robino1]

The 2007 date is when, I guess, everything started? That has been a bit fuzzy to me. I have probably read why, I just haven't retained that information.

 

[sparkky1]

So what if vaping is deemed a cessation device rather than a tobacco product? Is that the loophole we need to continue vapeing innovation?

Big Pharma has been filling the the pockets of center for tobacco products to the tune of "NRT sales are dropping" I would like you to put them out of business or make it so hard they cant stay in business.
Where do you think all the smoking bans have come from ? These are the kind of corporations that eat there young ............
So do you really think there going to allow e cigs to be classified / sold next to, slow down the sales of there (NRT) nicoderm, gum, patch, inhaler, lozenges, pills ?
When you see Johnson & Johnson selling e cigs the war will be over, until then make your voice heard with your senator and the only guy who smokes inside the white house as in you should have done it today .............. We need to set that guy up with the best vape set up possible

 

[crxess]

2007 was a time when Big Tobacco was being Threatened by off shore tobacco products attempting to take a large portion of the Pie.
Regulations came about which eliminated that threat.

(Think About IT)

Where did that Proposal come from?
Who Backed that proposal?
Who lobbied for that Proposal?
Who FUNDED the lobbying that got that proposal passed?

Who has the Most to Gain by drop kicking e-cigs(Vaping) with current 2007 Regulations.

 

[AndriaD]

2007 was a time when Big Tobacco was being Threatened by off shore tobacco products attempting to take a large portion of the Pie.
Regulations came about which eliminated that threat.

(Think About IT)

Where did that Proposal come from?
Who Backed that proposal?
Who lobbied for that Proposal?
Who FUNDED the lobbying that got that proposal passed?

Who has the Most to Gain by drop kicking e-cigs(Vaping) with current 2007 Regulations.

Y'know, I can just picture Artie Johnson peering out under that helmet with the cigarette in his hand, "veddddddddddddy interesting."

Talk about the fox guarding the henhouse. And the FDA just going along with it like the paid-off stooges they are.

Andria

 

[StormFinch]

We had some very smart people looking for anything that had refillable capability pre 2007. They could not find anything that was able to be refilled. We couldn't find anywhere that had liquid in bottles for sale to refill the devices.

Robin pass on that they might want to question American E-Liquid. Way back during the trial I did some digging and found info that they were selling bottled juice stateside back in late 06 I believe, if they are indeed the same company. Granted, it was most definitely Chinese produced and 100% PG, but it was still bottled juice.

 

[Robino1]

Robin pass on that they might want to question American E-Liquid. Way back during the trial I did some digging and found info that they were selling bottled juice stateside back in late 06 I believe, if they are indeed the same company. Granted, it was most definitely Chinese produced and 100% PG, but it was still bottled juice.

Storm!! Haven't seen you in a long time!

I do believe Carl Phillips was looking for that information a while ago. I will pass that on to the CASAA folks!

Thank you for that!

 

[StormFinch]

Storm!! Haven't seen you in a long time!

I do believe Carl Phillips was looking for that information a while ago. I will pass that on to the CASAA folks!

Thank you for that!

{{{Robin!}}} I've been around, but not. Health still kicking my backside.

You're very welcome, and hope it pans out. *fingers crossed*

 

[sparkky1]

2007 was a time when Big Tobacco was being Threatened by off shore tobacco products attempting to take a large portion of the Pie.
Regulations came about which eliminated that threat.

(Think About IT)

Where did that Proposal come from?
Who Backed that proposal?
Who lobbied for that Proposal?
Who FUNDED the lobbying that got that proposal passed?

Who has the Most to Gain by drop kicking e-cigs(Vaping) with current 2007 Regulations.

KangerTech, one of the earliest electronic personal vaporizer manufacturers in China, was established in 2007

 

[BlackMarket]

Looking at a bill that would effectively kill a multi-billion dollar industry doesn't seem like it would be in the best interest from the government, they would be killing jobs thousands of jobs in addition to losing out on the millions of dollars of tax generated from sales and manufacturing.

I know everybody's freaking out that they want to keep their vape mostly because of its ability to be used as cessation device, but shouldn't we really be talking about how many people are going to lose their jobs? I know tobacco and big pharm are powerful, but this would be incredibly stupid from a political standpoint to let this pass.

Thoughts about this? Should we be changing the tone of our voice? What are manufactures doing to combat this, don't they stand to lose the most?

This might seem radical but our government will throw you in prison for years for ingesting a substance they deem harmful with no science to back it up. If a government will throw a man in jail for using a chemical for his/society's own good then you can damn sure believe that shutting down a bunch of shops is absolutely a reality. Are we talking about the same government that went to "liberate Iraq" based on lies and absolutely left it in worse condition than under Sadam Hussien costing us 8000 of our men & womens lives trillions of dollars and God knows how many inocent Iraqis? For there own good of course. The children don't forget the children. They will get on the news and say public health, untested products and the children is why all the vape shops are closing. And no one will do a thing about it. When destroying countries and throwing people in prison for no crime is on the table...

 

[FormulaBass]

Do you mean what would be the ideal outcome?

For me, I would love to see it have its own classification. Or totally left alone.

We don't live in a perfect world. Unfortunately, I don't trust the FDA to not keep their hands off.

Realistically, I just hope that it goes back to the FDA for reworking. That will buy us even more time to gather more positive data. We have a lot, just not enough to satisfy. And I probably should stop thinkin' right now. I'm depressing myself, let alone all those reading.

I'm going to keep fighting and talking and vaping. Hopefully eventually it will be accepted. It is already by a lot of normal, everyday people.

What data are we looking for? Satisfy what and who, the FDA? I find it hard to believe that's the "ideal outcome." I'm all for e-liquid being regulated and kept to a reasonably high standard, but I still don't understand the banning of mods, RDAs, RTAs...

Also what about vaporizers intended for marijuana use? Would those be considered tobacco products as well?

 

[WharfRat1976]

VAPORS SHOULD SUPPORT HR2058.

http://cqrcengage.com/casaa/app/write-a-letter?0&engagementId=101154

 

[LimJaheyyy]

Got a couple 236ml (8oz) bottles coming from mt baker vapor. Only 35 dollars for one bottle.

 

[Completely Average]

2007 was a time when Big Tobacco was being Threatened by off shore tobacco products attempting to take a large portion of the Pie.
Regulations came about which eliminated that threat.

(Think About IT)

Where did that Proposal come from?
Who Backed that proposal?
Who lobbied for that Proposal?
Who FUNDED the lobbying that got that proposal passed?

Who has the Most to Gain by drop kicking e-cigs(Vaping) with current 2007 Regulations.

I think you're off on your reason.

In 2007 ecig were all cigalikes with sealed, non refillable carts. I think the 2007 date what chosen to allow big tobacco to continue to sell cigalikes with sealed carts but remove the market that competes against them. No more tanks, no more RTA/RBAs, no clearos, no refillable carts, and no mods. Just sealed carts attached to cigalikes.

Joyetech released the Joye 510 in early 2008 and the Ego line in early 2009. That's why the 2007 data was chosen. They want to limit ecigs to what they were before Joytech brought these refillable products to market.