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Any suggestions on a rebuildable atomizer that will give the warmer vapor? After watching several videos I see the ZAP isn't something I want to look into anymore. I was looking at the Cobra which looks promising and had a great video review, the video review also showed it had a tighter draw which I like.
The heat is more a function of the coil resistance and voltage than the device. The cobra is cool!!! Phiniac is supposed to get them soon.
Cobra is:
TI=light
beautiful machined
no leaking what so ever
great look
many setup possibilities
good price
great performance
TI=light
beautiful machined
no leaking what so ever
great look
many setup possibilities
good price
great performance
As 'mickey' pointed out, the coil/voltage do contribute to the vapor warmth but w/ a large top cap it's harder to achieve (the warmth I like anyhow). I like small chambered top caps for good flavor and vapor warmth. Some examples are the Orion, Hellfire, G-bell, etc. I love my Orion, favorite by far for function and look.
The cobra's top cap appears to be large but as 1/3 covers the orings and the bottom of the top plate, the chamber is not too big.
yes the Orion is still numero uno when it comes down to flavor but I have heard positive feedback from Tierra concerning the Bliss RBA also.
Hellfire Mini is on top of my list for flavor also!
yes the Orion is still numero uno when it comes down to flavor but I have heard positive feedback from Tierra concerning the Bliss RBA also.
Hellfire Mini is on top of my list for flavor also!
This is a ton of good info here for all thanks much gotta keep the studying up.
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I agree. This is a great thread for somebody trying to make his first genesis atomizer work properly. (That'd be me, lol)
when the wire is cutting or kinking (strangling) the mesh - this is definitely too close.
Thanks for the reply man but what I wanted to know was how much distance is needed between each coil. I should've clarified that some more.
this i would say depends on the atty you use = the distance available for the wire wraps. using a thin wire = less wraps = normally more distance between the wraps, but there are no rules. just don't let them touch each other. an average could be 0.3 - 0.6 mm ...
The thickness of a sheet of paper. If you can shove a sheet of paper between each coil then they are close enough. If not they may possibly touch when they heat up.
Setup:
DiD on Zmax
Folded and rolled SS mesh oxidized and quenched 3-5x, oxidized and not quenched,
Wick lightly coated with cotton fibers from USP grade cotton after oxidizing
Resistance wire provided with DiD
After going through three brand new wicks, sometimes oxidizing one wick multiple times with a torch I decided that oxidation probably wasn't my issue. I was having ohms go from as high as 4.0 on an initial reading with no shorts to .2 at the lowest possible voltage and wattage settings once power was applied, and the resistance wire would vaporize at the point between the positive post and the wick after a moment every time. I had thought that since I'd oxidized the wick that it could rest at the bottom of the tank, but as far as I can tell that was the problem. I pulled the wick up, wrapped a 2.5 ohm coil, and it works.
Definitely do not let your wick touch the bottom or sides of a metal tank
DiD on Zmax
Folded and rolled SS mesh oxidized and quenched 3-5x, oxidized and not quenched,
Wick lightly coated with cotton fibers from USP grade cotton after oxidizing
Resistance wire provided with DiD
After going through three brand new wicks, sometimes oxidizing one wick multiple times with a torch I decided that oxidation probably wasn't my issue. I was having ohms go from as high as 4.0 on an initial reading with no shorts to .2 at the lowest possible voltage and wattage settings once power was applied, and the resistance wire would vaporize at the point between the positive post and the wick after a moment every time. I had thought that since I'd oxidized the wick that it could rest at the bottom of the tank, but as far as I can tell that was the problem. I pulled the wick up, wrapped a 2.5 ohm coil, and it works.
Definitely do not let your wick touch the bottom or sides of a metal tank
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Setup:
DiD on Zmax
Folded and rolled SS mesh oxidized and quenched 3-5x, oxidized and not quenched,
Wick lightly coated with cotton fibers from USP grade cotton after oxidizing
Resistance wire provided with DiD
After going through three brand new wicks, sometimes oxidizing one wick multiple times with a torch I decided that oxidation probably wasn't my issue. I was having ohms go from as high as 4.0 on an initial reading with no shorts to .2 at the lowest possible voltage and wattage settings once power was applied, and the resistance wire would vaporize at the point between the positive post and the wick after a moment every time. I had thought that since I'd oxidized the wick that it could rest at the bottom of the tank, but as far as I can tell that was the problem. I pulled the wick up, wrapped a 2.5 ohm coil, and it works.
Definitely do not let your wick touch the bottom or sides of a metal tank
That was just a coincidence, if the wick is properly oxidized under the coil it is completely isolated and it doesn't matter if the wick touches side, bottom or whatever.
maybe this is cheating.. haha but i am getting a really nice 1.5 ohm 3 wrap coil on my DUD build.. using a pre-oxidized 400 SS mesh that came with the ZAP 
You probably can't get it too tight with your fingers. This lab test, the wire was tightened with a needle nose until it was cutting into the mesh and had no effect. More mythbusters. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/330407-500-ss-mesh.html
Clic on pic for video.
You probably can't get it too tight with your fingers. This lab test, the wire was tightened with a needle nose until it was cutting into the mesh and had no effect. More mythbusters. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/330407-500-ss-mesh.html
Clic on pic for video.
that your mesh neither looks kinked nor strangled - that bad thing usually happens when attaching the wire to the higher battery pole, trying to avoid free distance of wire and drawing the mesh closer to the pole ...
but never mind, i am a full enthusiast of this thread, following all you posts with high interest. sounds all logic to me and at least, there's enough evidence. fat wicks rule, but i am still waiting for my #500 mesh
(and for 28 AWG Kanthal as well - hard to get ...)I studied engineering not economics. In economics you assume and from that assumption you declare a proof. Most threads and posts I read, the proofs are based on the economics way and not the scientific.
An example of a common false that is all over ECF.
It was explained to me that the mesh size depends on the PG/VG content of you juice.
(Rough ratios)
250-- 100-50/50 higher VG
325-- 70/30-60/40 PG/VG
400-- 100-80/20 higher PG
Proven scientifically:
Viscosty doesn't matter and 325 will not wick better than 400 or 500.
comparing oranges to oranges
PG will rise higher and faster in a 400 mesh than on a 325 mesh.
Vg will rise higher and faster in a 400 mesh than on a 325 mesh.
On the same 400 wick PG will rise higher and faster than VG because of cohesion forces, but it will not rise higher on 325 than on 400,
All will rise higher and faster on #500
The above statement is for true genesis wicks with the tank under and the juice has to rise. For tank over the juice transfer is down thru gravitational flow and that is another story where 325 could be an advantage.
An example of a common false that is all over ECF.
It was explained to me that the mesh size depends on the PG/VG content of you juice.
(Rough ratios)
250-- 100-50/50 higher VG
325-- 70/30-60/40 PG/VG
400-- 100-80/20 higher PG
Proven scientifically:
Viscosty doesn't matter and 325 will not wick better than 400 or 500.
comparing oranges to oranges
PG will rise higher and faster in a 400 mesh than on a 325 mesh.
Vg will rise higher and faster in a 400 mesh than on a 325 mesh.
On the same 400 wick PG will rise higher and faster than VG because of cohesion forces, but it will not rise higher on 325 than on 400,
All will rise higher and faster on #500
The above statement is for true genesis wicks with the tank under and the juice has to rise. For tank over the juice transfer is down thru gravitational flow and that is another story where 325 could be an advantage.
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