Wick materials. Safe vs dangerous.

[Cyrus Vap]

I finally got some needle files, 5 pack from Home Depot. Took the round one to an E1 and went to town.

Set it up with 8 strands of bamboo crochet thread, its hitting so hard at 4 volts/1.9 ohms that I have no desire to up the voltage. I dunno wtf is going on, but I fill it up all the way, and within a few hits the tank looks 1/3 less full LOL. MAGIC!

 

[thevapepastor]

Came here for help with finding a good wick for my new penny.
Found a few good laughs and a whole lot of confusion, instead.
you guys are funny!
LoL!
Any recommendations for the "easiest and most safe" wick for a first time rebuilder?
I've been using the silica that came with it, but never really felt like inhaling silica was the the best option for my lounges.
Thanks in advance.
Amen.

 

[MickeyRat]

Came here for help with finding a good wick for my new penny.
Found a few good laughs and a whole lot of confusion, instead.
you guys are funny!
LoL!
Any recommendations for the "easiest and most safe" wick for a first time rebuilder?
I've been using the silica that came with it, but never really felt like inhaling silica was the the best option for my lounges.
Thanks in advance.
Amen.

Well just about all of them will work with the pene. The simplest I've tried so far is cotton yarn. Boil it for 10 minutes twice changing the water. Wrap the coil around the yarn with a small nail. Pull the nail out and shove it in the pene. Best I've used so far is the bamboo viscose crochet thread from Michael's. Wrap it four times around the fingers of one hand, leaving both ends hanging down. Wrap the coil with a small nail, put it in the pene and cut off the ends. Cheese cloth is pretty good too. Check out Quigsworth's video for that.

 

[Bourbonman]

I have to share this in here. Stumbled across this in my late night google surfing, a summary of this thread I found on another forum, and it made me chuckle.

the wick thread is basically
russian guy walks in , yells i hate stainless steel!!!! silica wicks stab you in the throat, look!!! we did experiments!!!
actual scientist type walks in, calls him on experimental rigour
someone else walks in, mentions how much they love stainless steel, gets shouted at by russian bloke
blah blah bamboo,blah blah wool, blah blah look at my cotton yarn, my yarn is amazing, blah blah, gee that's nice etc etc
ending up with a large helping of 'I used a q tip as a vapourizer'

THE END

That thread is at: Danger please read your health could be at risk

 

[Bourbonman]

Came here for help with finding a good wick for my new penny.
Found a few good laughs and a whole lot of confusion, instead.
you guys are funny!
LoL!
Any recommendations for the "easiest and most safe" wick for a first time rebuilder?
I've been using the silica that came with it, but never really felt like inhaling silica was the the best option for my lounges.
Thanks in advance.
Amen.

Cotton yarn works well, cotton cheesecloth works well. Quigsworth sounds like he might be a convert to bamboo yarn now. I'll probable grab some of that next time I feel like going to Micheal's. I'm so spoiled by a short commute that I have a have a hard time actually driving to a store. Hmm, with gas over $4 here, and it's 8 miles to Micheals, 16 city driving miles would be $3 in gas plus the time and hassle. I wonder how much shipping is? My mailman is swiftly becoming my main physical link to the outside world. Let the stalking commence! or, um, continue!

 

[TomCatt]

I have to share this in here. Stumbled across this in my late night google surfing, a summary of this thread I found on another forum, and it made me chuckle.





That thread is at: Danger please read your health could be at risk

Hmmm ... I don't recall any yelling




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[Cool_Breeze]

I finally got some needle files, 5 pack from Home Depot. Took the round one to an E1 and went to town.

Set it up with 8 strands of bamboo crochet thread, its hitting so hard at 4 volts/1.9 ohms that I have no desire to up the voltage. I dunno wtf is going on, but I fill it up all the way, and within a few hits the tank looks 1/3 less full LOL. MAGIC!

Those threads hold a lot of juice themselves. As well, the first fill will seem to drop a little in level as the threads get fully saturated. I've vaped on CE4 types with many thread for quite some time after the carto appeared near empty. Hope that helps. If not, I have a book you can read. It won't tell you anything about your gear, but it will it will try to convince you it doesn't really matter.

 

[ratpack7]

ok just was reading the forum that Bourbonman posted which lead me to look in to the manufacture of bamboo yarn.

"It's not that thread that's about wicks, it the one linked to on page 27 or thereabouts - it's 110 pages long . I read a few pages and they are on about bamboo for wicks, now, I'm a spinner and dyer, so I come across the undyed fibre and yarn a lot, Bamboo is a rayon ( synthetic made from bamboo cellulose) and is pretty environmentally unfriendly in manufacture, so I'd be fairly wary about it TBH. cotton seems doable, but I'd use organic unbleached"

so I looked up bamboo yarn on Wikipedia.
which lead me to Viscose Manufacture

"At first wood pulp is dissolved in caustic soda and after steeping it for a specified period of time it is shredded and allowed to age. Ageing contributes to viscosity of viscose. The longer the ageing time the less viscosity it will have. The aged pulp is then treated with carbon disulfide to form a yellow-colored cellulose xanthate, which is dissolved in caustic soda again, but of a lower concentration. This is the starting stage of viscose formation. During the process an acetate dope is added to alkali cellulose which is necessary for the yarn lustre.
Cellulose is treated with alkali and carbon disulfide to yield viscose.
Pollution

Viscose currently is becoming less common because of the polluting effects of carbon disulfide and other by-products of the process, forcing some factories to close. One way to comply with sulphur emission standards is to install a wet sulfuric acid process unit which recovers sulfur compounds to sulfuric acid or use the Lyocell process which uses N-Methylmorpholine N-oxide as solvent."

I think I will be staying away from bamboo yarn with the chemicals used in production.

Carbon disulfide Health effects At high levels, carbon disulfide may be life-threatening because it affects the nervous system. Significant safety data comes from the viscose rayon industry, where both carbon disulfide as well as small amounts of H2S may be present.

Xanthate Environmental impacts Xanthates may be toxic to aquatic biota at concentrations of less than 1 mg/L.[6] Water downstream of mining operations can be contaminated.[7]

 

[gdeal]

Some additional reading material on Bamboo Production:

While mainly textile related, it does outline a new "safer" production method:
Organic_Clothing: Bamboo: Facts behind the Fiber

A chinese patent holder for Bamboo production and a significant producer of Bamboo textiles.
Bamboo Fiber and Bamboo Yarn and Bamboo Fabric--China "BambroTex", Bamboo Fiber Factory, Bamboo Fabric Factory, Bamboo Yarn Factory

Nice explanation of "original" Bamboo fiber and "viscose"
http://www.li-fei.com/products/6/w9.htm


While interesting reading, the question is how does this translate for Aunt Lydia's #10 and does it really matter?

I put this in the bucket of "Chinese Mystery Material" (props to Cyrus Vap) along with the metal use in tanks, atties, etc. and in all of my filed down and bored out vivi nova heads.

 

[TomCatt]

Check out the Cotton Wick Wikki Link in my signature





BTW:
Ohm's Law calculator & Coil Length Calculator at PV Web Apps

If anyone has any other type of calculator you would like to see on this page, PM me. If I can set it up, I'll put it on the page.

Very nice! Bookmarked. Thank you.

Is there anyway to build your Resistance Wire chart (linked below) into the calculator to determine pre-coiling wire length?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...terials-safe-vs-dangerous-65.html#post7006423

Hmmm ... interesting ... let me see what I can do

Coil resistance is now calculated for the coil length/wire type/wire gauge - PV Web Apps

 

[TomCatt]

Some additional reading material on Bamboo Production:

While mainly textile related, it does outline a new "safer" production method:
Organic_Clothing: Bamboo: Facts behind the Fiber

A chinese patent holder for Bamboo production and a significant producer of Bamboo textiles.
Bamboo Fiber and Bamboo Yarn and Bamboo Fabric--China "BambroTex", Bamboo Fiber Factory, Bamboo Fabric Factory, Bamboo Yarn Factory

Nice explanation of "original" Bamboo fiber and "viscose"
PRODUCT


While interesting reading, the question is how does this translate for Aunt Lydia's #10 and does it really matter?

I put this in the bucket of "Chinese Mystery Material" (props to Cyrus Vap) along with the metal use in tanks, atties, etc. and in all of my filed down and bored out vivi nova heads.

My vote is for "Doesn't Really Matter". While the production causes problems for disposal of the waste streams, I don't see the final product having any of the toxic materials on them.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

supervape - Is your source of bamboo yarn Aunt Lydia's or perhaps some other..?

Tom - I'd like to agree.

 

[zephyree]

This is a great thread haha. I read like the first 30 or 40 pages straight through. Then sorta skipped to the end. Anyway it seems to me that the gauze idea is the best so far, unless someone has uncovered problems with that.
There seems to be some repetition here, so I was wondering if anyone thought maybe we could put together a sort of summary.

 

[TomCatt]

There's a 'summary' thread here - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/322633-wick-materials-summary.html

The 'Cotton Wick Wiki' link in my signature gives a summary of materials used with a few pointers in the actual use of the materials.

 

[zephyree]

oh cool. i guess i didn't use my eyes effectively haha

as far as the issues with bamboo that people have brought up, it seems to me that if cotton works well there really is no reason to mess around with a more artificially produced fiber like the bamboo seems to be. and I think while the chemicals used in production are not all coming through in the final product, it is good to know that this is a fiber created from heavily processed bamboo (rather than little stringy bits of bamboo wound together or something).

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Welcome to ECF, zephyree.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

supervape - Is your source of bamboo yarn Aunt Lydia's or perhaps some other..?

Tom - I'd like to agree.

I only asked twice and got no response, you're gonn have to step it up cool!!!

 

[zephyree]

Welcome to ECF, zephyree.

thanks! I am amazed by this forum, and specifically by threads like this. people have such a collaborative and helpful spirit. it really helps innovation and development of better and safer vaping equipment and methods.

 

[Quigsworth]

Ok, I'm getting kinda bummed about this whole viscous bamboo thing...I made a Quigstick with the Aunt Lydia's yesterday for my GTUS (had to go to 30 Kanthal cause it was so thick)...this is the best (I mean the best!) the GTUS has ever been...and now all these chemical processes?...this sucks.

 

[gdeal]

Bamboo Wick Initial Impressions:

I just re-built a stock Vivi Nova head, right out of the package with 8 threads of Aunt Lydia's #10 Natural, boiled for 25 mins.

I put in 34ga Kanthal for 6/7 wraps. Eight threads fit very nicely in the 1.5mm slot. After 20 minutes of tweaking the coil to get it to work, I got 2.6 ohms. (I have been easily wrapping cotton fatties for the last two weeks, so this was a big PITA on a comparative basis but I am probably just out of practice.)

I put a in two ml of no flavor/no nic 50/50 PG/VG juice and let the wick settle for about 15 minutes. I hesitantly did a few open top burns, to see what was going on with the coil/wick and do a smell check. The first couple of short fire bursts at 3.7 got a nice sizzle, but I noticed a slight woody burning smell. Did about 10 more short bursts and the woody smell is gone. I slowly increase burn times and volts.

I put through about 1.5 mls and I can say that this 8 thread wick has juice through-put as good my 5mm cotton wicks. No dry hits, I went at it with 3,4 and 5 sequential draws and it still was going strong. Since I was using a no flavor juice, I can't comment on how flavors will come through, but I can say, that I did not taste or smell anything but the PG/VG. It was very neutral.

After a couple of periodic peeks at the coil, I got a short somewhere so I decided to just pull the coil and get a better look at what was going on.


Higher Res Link: http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/377/lydia10.jpg

Not bad, but it really only had a limited life.

Overall, I was very, very impressed with the wicking capability and to be able to just pop this into a stock vivi nova is a big plus. Not sure yet if I will use bamboo to replace cotton. I kind of like/got use to that well...that cottony smoothness.