That post and pic is just what the dr ordered. Thank you
roadrash, you are correct sir. BTW, I'm in Fl via Rochester then Lee, and when my kids are grown my wife and I will retire back to the lake.
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That post and pic is just what the dr ordered. Thank you
roadrash, you are correct sir. BTW, I'm in Fl via Rochester then Lee, and when my kids are grown my wife and I will retire back to the lake.
Outstanding. Thanks for the input, I've had the same questions. Also, it doesn't look like you oxidized the mesh, right? One last thing, since I'm much more of a visual learner, I've been secretly hoping someone would do a video, or series of videos, showing the use of cotton (gauze, cheesecloth, rope) in the various rebuildable attys. hint, hint...
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roadrash, you are correct sir. BTW, I'm in Fl via Rochester then Lee, and when my kids are grown my wife and I will retire back to the lake.[/QUOTE]
Know the areas pretty well, was a contractor in those areas at times before I retired. Funny, I'm looking to go to Florida and you want to come back. LOL
roadrash, you are correct sir. BTW, I'm in Fl via Rochester then Lee, and when my kids are grown my wife and I will retire back to the lake.[/QUOTE]
Know the areas pretty well, was a contractor in those areas at times before I retired. Funny, I'm looking to go to Florida and you want to come back. LOL
Anyone know if there is a sub-forum just for rebuildable attys? I'm not talking about modding a commercial product like a CE or stardust, I'm thinking genesis style and other purpose built products. I'm a noob to this and it is still confusing with all the different option out there. So far I think I grock the genesis style (ie Line, Zenesis) and the buli style (A2-T, Mark Bugs), but I would love to see a comprehensive list with descriptions of how they work, pros/cons, how-tos, and where to buys.
i came across a video for an iatty today not sure if i can find it again, lol!
looking at it i was wondering how that would do with gauze ......
looking at it i was wondering how that would do with gauze ......
It was a little warm and muggy today so vapor was good, But all my different juices sarted to taste the same. Kind of sweet taste and I could smell it when I came back in the house. might be the pg and the humidity.
Anyway, I added a couple drops of water to a mil of juice. I noticed that the flavor was watered down a little but vapor was still good. Then the sweetness started to go away and I watched my juice go from a light brown to a clear color. I think the water may be washing the gauze wick and coil of the juice ???? buildup.
Not one to be happy with one modification at a time. I was pouring a cocktail and the watching the last of the Vodka drip from the bottle and figured. Why not and proceeded to drip a couple drops in my E-2.
Not bad. different but nice flavor and no sweetness.
So my next question for you EvilGrym is, What is Vodka soaked pipe tobacco? Whats your recipe? and thanks again for posting about the cotton wick.
Echo Cotton String Wick Update
I wound my first coil for an Echo Crystal Vision Clearomizer on a 2 strands of cotton string near 3 days ago. The wick-coil produced pretty well for the better part of 2 days.
After 1 1/2 days, I began to notice 'air hits.' These were not the 'dry hits' you may have experienced with some cartomizers. I don't know why these happened. One possible explanation is oxidation causeing less then optimal electrical condutcion through the friction connection of the wire to the center post and tube. It was easy to nurse past the air hit with a primer puff. Past a certain point, it would work fine.
The beginning of the thrid day found the wick-coil limping a little, but still viable. By 2 2/3rds days, it would no longer produce.
How does that compare with those of you who are using gause?
I wound my first coil for an Echo Crystal Vision Clearomizer on a 2 strands of cotton string near 3 days ago. The wick-coil produced pretty well for the better part of 2 days.
After 1 1/2 days, I began to notice 'air hits.' These were not the 'dry hits' you may have experienced with some cartomizers. I don't know why these happened. One possible explanation is oxidation causeing less then optimal electrical condutcion through the friction connection of the wire to the center post and tube. It was easy to nurse past the air hit with a primer puff. Past a certain point, it would work fine.
The beginning of the thrid day found the wick-coil limping a little, but still viable. By 2 2/3rds days, it would no longer produce.
How does that compare with those of you who are using gause?
I'll toss in my update too:
2 weeks on the same coil/cotton yarn wick. No problems at all. No cleaning, no fiddling with it, No nutten. I just add when the tank gets about 1/2 full. (~5ml/day) ViVi Nova, 32 ga. Kanthal, #4 medium cotton yarn wick
2 weeks on the same coil/cotton yarn wick. No problems at all. No cleaning, no fiddling with it, No nutten. I just add when the tank gets about 1/2 full. (~5ml/day) ViVi Nova, 32 ga. Kanthal, #4 medium cotton yarn wick
My "best" setup is going strong for 5-6 days now. But I wasn't vaping it all the time; it went through maybe 10-12ml of juice, one quick water cleaning (just rinsed it together with the coil through the water), and again through 3ml after that. Still working great.
Its a rolled gauze setup.
So my next question for you EvilGrym is, What is Vodka soaked pipe tobacco? Whats your recipe? and thanks again for posting about the cotton wick.
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I put pipe tobacco in glass bottle, add vg+vodka, then put this bottle into boiling water, then squeese tobacco, filtering resulting liquid, add vg. Then adding this liquid to my juice about 10...30%. Tastes good, but gunks very good.
There is another tecnology, but it's for extracting nic from tobacco. Used clear vg instead, after heating water added, then cooling below +4 celsium, liquid divides into layers upper layer is nic, lower is trash. But it's very strong nic, I do not want to risk even try to make so.
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I put pipe tobacco in glass bottle, add vg+vodka, then put this bottle into boiling water, then squeese tobacco, filtering resulting liquid, add vg. Then adding this liquid to my juice about 10...30%. Tastes good, but gunks very good.
There is another tecnology, but it's for extracting nic from tobacco. Used clear vg instead, after heating water added, then cooling below +4 celsium, liquid divides into layers upper layer is nic, lower is trash. But it's very strong nic, I do not want to risk even try to make so.
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I've put about 15 ml through my stardust with the cotton yarn now, and I'm starting to get the 'air hits' like you say, but just a few here and there
Now when I complain of not being able to get cottonized CE2s to produce vapor, its just as you describe. No dry hits, just air....thin. But this was true with gauze and cotton.
But as I've said for whatever reason this hasn't been an issue with the stardust and phoenix
I'm vaping stardust with gauze fatty right now and getting yelled at by the fiance' :
lol
but its only on 4 mls or so
cool did you use two thin strands of yarn? like 2 of the four strand thickness that it comes in? perhaps it was just too thin to begin with?
perhaps what's happening is, the cotton holds on to the juice and the gunk much more tightly than silica, meaning eventually it just gets saturated with crap and it has to be replaced. I'm basing this guess on the fact that my cotton clearos don't seem to darken juice and reflux garbage back into the chamber the same way my silica wicks do, at least not to the same extent. and that cotton is a juice hog and wicking beast as we've all seen
Now when I complain of not being able to get cottonized CE2s to produce vapor, its just as you describe. No dry hits, just air....thin. But this was true with gauze and cotton.
But as I've said for whatever reason this hasn't been an issue with the stardust and phoenix
I'm vaping stardust with gauze fatty right now and getting yelled at by the fiance' :
lol
but its only on 4 mls or so
cool did you use two thin strands of yarn? like 2 of the four strand thickness that it comes in? perhaps it was just too thin to begin with?
perhaps what's happening is, the cotton holds on to the juice and the gunk much more tightly than silica, meaning eventually it just gets saturated with crap and it has to be replaced. I'm basing this guess on the fact that my cotton clearos don't seem to darken juice and reflux garbage back into the chamber the same way my silica wicks do, at least not to the same extent. and that cotton is a juice hog and wicking beast as we've all seen
you know what's funny?
I've read about half the "my cheap version of the line" thread about ten times, and I still have little idea of what anyone is talking about, it might as well be chinese.
And the 'how to' pics' are pretty, but don't really show much of anything, except to people who already know what the inner workings and end goal is
I'd love to build a line, or maybe even buy a Line type, but first I need to see how they really work **visually** with some dissection etc. I get the whole electrodes, juice chamber, and vertical SS wick business, but I want to see it all open and explained.
Maybe I'll nag BJ soon
The cotton string/twine I have used is made of 5 tiny strands. I used two strands of the 5-stranded string. It is not yarn, at least not as thought of as for knitting. It's household string. One strand is a little bit thicker than the silicia from Nhaler. The cotton definity soaks up and goes through more juice than the silicia.
Now, as to why we are seeing such differences from Gummy Bear and Malduk, there could be several reasons. I'm using a buck variable and the chosen voltages could be a factor. I don't know the gauge of of the wire or whether it is Knathal or Nichrome as it wasn't purchsed on it's own. Rather it was scavenged from a set of prewound wicks. I do have some 34 ga. Kanthal D coming.
Antoher factor could be type of juice.
Still another could be in the windings themselves. In examining my cotton windings comparend the the prewould silica, I see my cotton coils are a bit smaller than the silica ones. This tells me I'm winding them tighter as the cotton is actually larger than the silica. This might be a big clue. If 'stuff' is forming within the wick at the coil, smaller, tighter cotton would seem to be more restrictive. This also might explain 'air hits' if the flow through the coil portion of the wick is restricted.
I'll try a more loosely would coil on cotton as see what I get.
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I wouldn't draw any strong conclusions from this just yet; I reported cleaning after 10-12ml, but I actually cleaned not because I absolutely had to, but was just curious how well would a quick rinse clean it. I did however had some gunk build up, and I was using some juices that aren't that kind to the atty (50/50 PG/VG, with juices containing vanilla, apple pie, desert ship, coconut, caramel).
The wire I used is NiCr 0,17; very tightly wound together, with a total resistance at 2,4-2,5 ohm, vaped at ~4,5V.
Overall I'm very pleased how gauze is holding up. I think that if I haven't wind it so close together, there would be less gunk buildup.
The wire I used is NiCr 0,17; very tightly wound together, with a total resistance at 2,4-2,5 ohm, vaped at ~4,5V.
Overall I'm very pleased how gauze is holding up. I think that if I haven't wind it so close together, there would be less gunk buildup.
you know what's funny?
I've read about half the "my cheap version of the line" thread about ten times, and I still have little idea of what anyone is talking about, it might as well be chinese.
And the 'how to' pics' are pretty, but don't really show much of anything, except to people who already know what the inner workings and end goal is
I'd love to build a line, or maybe even buy a Line type, but first I need to see how they really work **visually** with some dissection etc. I get the whole electrodes, juice chamber, and vertical SS wick business, but I want to see it all open and explained.
Maybe I'll nag BJ soon
cyrus - this one is available for 50 bucks today
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-mods-home-defcon-mini-re-buildable-atty.html
Going thru my junk I came across a much washed cotton hankerchief I used to cut up to replace the diapers in my DCs. So I cut a piece and rolled a wick for my line. Guilty feeling of going backward from SS, charring diapers was the reason I went to SS wicks. Figured if the Chinese put cotton cloth around a coil, putting cotton cloth in a coil should work. The result are that it works, just another choice. I have now tried cotton cloth, cotton gauze, and cotton string, by themselves and wrapped in SS. They all work, but IMO no improvement over just SS just more hassle, and touchy at the higher voltages I like, but my taste buds are old..lol
Malduk - So noted about your cleaning and I'll give that a try.
The current loser would coil is 3.4 Ohms and I'm starting about 4.4 Volts.
The current loser would coil is 3.4 Ohms and I'm starting about 4.4 Volts.
I'm going to have to hold back gentlemen
I'll try building one first, and see if my frustrations reach a screaming crescendo sufficient enough to make my wallet come out. I just ordered a Provari so I NEED to behave lol.
BJ: I actually prefer the SS mesh. I thought all was well with oxidizing with a butane torch and tap water, until I shorted out a battery.
Then I decided I should probably check the mesh before using with the multimeter. "BEEEEEEP" lol.
It was conducting, and reading wacky resistance. Turns out ALL my wicks do, even the ones that I thought were good to go. 15 flame and dunk combos later, using water, VG, and juice, and still the same. So now I'm just terrified of using the mesh, even though its actually my favorite.
I'll try building one first, and see if my frustrations reach a screaming crescendo sufficient enough to make my wallet come out. I just ordered a Provari so I NEED to behave lol.
BJ: I actually prefer the SS mesh. I thought all was well with oxidizing with a butane torch and tap water, until I shorted out a battery.
Then I decided I should probably check the mesh before using with the multimeter. "BEEEEEEP" lol.
It was conducting, and reading wacky resistance. Turns out ALL my wicks do, even the ones that I thought were good to go. 15 flame and dunk combos later, using water, VG, and juice, and still the same. So now I'm just terrified of using the mesh, even though its actually my favorite.
bamboo vs. cotton:
So I just threw a strand of bamboo on top of my fluxo tank, and didn't like the taste. Its subtle, but its there. Vaped for about an hour, heavy, didn't 'break in.'
Swapped it out for a strand of cotton, and voila. So I guess cotton tastes better to me than bamboo...
So I just threw a strand of bamboo on top of my fluxo tank, and didn't like the taste. Its subtle, but its there. Vaped for about an hour, heavy, didn't 'break in.'
Swapped it out for a strand of cotton, and voila. So I guess cotton tastes better to me than bamboo...
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