Wick materials. Safe vs dangerous.

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Also check this thread out
It says "What sets this thread apart from the other conductive thread that we carry is the fact that it's actually spun from stainless steel fibers and doesn't have a Nylon core." - so that kind might have Nylon in it?

I just purchased wick and wire from a vendor I've never used before. What is the best way to validate that my stainless steel mesh and wire doesn't have a nylon core
 

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I just purchased wick and wire from a vendor I've never used before. What is the best way to validate that my stainless steel mesh and wire doesn't have a nylon core

The 'nylon core' is for a 'conductive thread'; I have not heard anything about SS mesh having a nylon core in the strands. I would think if there was a nylon core present then when the SS wick was oxidized it would deform. When SS glows red, it is at a minimum temperature of ~400 C. Compounds which contain carbon - such as nylon - start to decompose at 400 C (carbon dioxide gas is released), and would rupture a SS thread with a nylon core.
 

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I know people have tried cotton wicks but has anyone tried using a rolled teabag (made from banana fibers) for a genesis wick?

Are you positive that your tea bag is made from banana fibers? If so, go for it :D.

Wikipedia
A tea bag is a small, porous sealed bag containing tea leaves and used for brewing tea. Tea bags are commonly made of paper, silk or plastic. The bag contains the tea leaves while the tea is brewed, making it easier to dispose of the leaves, and performs the same function as a tea infuser. Some tea bags have an attached piece of string with a paper label at the top that assists in removing the bag while also identifying the variety of tea.

Paper
Main article: Filter paper
Tea bag paper is related to paper found in milk and coffee filters and is a blend of wood and vegetable fibers. The vegetable fiber is bleached pulp abaca hemp, a small plantation tree grown for its fiber, mostly in the Philippines and Colombia. Heat-sealed tea bag paper usually has a heat-sealable thermoplastic such as PVC or polypropylene as a component fiber on the inner tea bag surface.
 

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So the bamboo thread was a no go for me. Just couldn't get it to wick properly in my Vivi Nova. Ran into a lot of flooding issues. So I have stuck with cheese cloth for now until my DID clone gets released from being hostage at the USPS office due to the holiday. I have about 4 heads that I wrap all at once and I kept getting L0 errors on my provari and a nice bright light on the coil. It was starting to really piss me off. After scratching my head for a bit I started to look harder at the heads, specifically the rubber gasket. I guess I have used an abused them too much and it was causing the wire to short or something. So I rebuilt the one that was operational in my tank and it ohm'ed out just fine the first try. Rebuilding these heads are childs play I think, super easy. Anyone know of or have seen someone using a different material for this gasket? I would love to use something that's a little more durable.

me too, that's the weakest link in the rebuilding job. even if we could find a source for the little rubber gaskets would be good
 

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So I got to thinking about how much everyone is enjoying the bamboo yarn. However, it sure is highly processed. Is there a way to enjoy bamboo wicks but not wonder about the manufacturing process? Why not make your own bamboo wicks?

Love bamboo and always have some pieces laying around. I got my cabinet scraper (any knife will do) and scraped through the outer layers of the bamboo to get to the fibrous meat underneath. I collected a bit and played with it while watching tv...rolling it, pulling it, etc. to get it broken down to smaller fibers. I rolled a test wick to check for wicking performance. Very nice.

Here are some of the raw fibers prior to a real test.

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The first wick in. It rolls into a wick surprisingly well.
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How did it produce?

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Had that same type of taste that cotton does at first but it was completely gone in 2 draws. It's really nice but don't yet know about its longevity since I literally did this 15 min ago.

Now, the important question is is it safe? I can't imagine it being any worse than cotton but you never know. Thoughts?


So it's been a few days so I though I would share the results. First off, the good. Taste is better than my quigtip setup. I tasted flavors in my cherry blossom that I had never tasted before. Incredible vapor production. Unbelievable wicking. I setup the bamboo wick in a ce3. I could reverse toke for 10 seconds followed immediately by several regular tokes to test for any burnt taste. Not only was there no burnt taste, it actually tasted better. :blink: Seems to be on par with cotton as far as longevity is concerned. Now the bad. You can only use it in devices that can take a really short wick. It rolls into a nice wick but is extremely difficult to thread it into a coil without tearing it up. As good as it is it is just too much work to be a viable option. I've got some of my bamboo wicking material left if anyone wants to give it a try.

This experiment got me thinking. What other natural, unprocessed fibers might be good candidates. What about coconut husk fibers? Hemp fibers? Has anyone ever tried making a wick with some long cut tobacco? If that would be possible it might add some good flavoring for you tobacco lovers.
 

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So it's been a few days so I though I would share the results. First off, the good. Taste is better than my quigtip setup. I tasted flavors in my cherry blossom that I had never tasted before. Incredible vapor production. Unbelievable wicking. I setup the bamboo wick in a ce3. I could reverse toke for 10 seconds followed immediately by several regular tokes to test for any burnt taste. Not only was there no burnt taste, it actually tasted better. :blink: Seems to be on par with cotton as far as longevity is concerned. Now the bad. You can only use it in devices that can take a really short wick. It rolls into a nice wick but is extremely difficult to thread it into a coil without tearing it up. As good as it is it is just too much work to be a viable option. I've got some of my bamboo wicking material left if anyone wants to give it a try.

This experiment got me thinking. What other natural, unprocessed fibers might be good candidates. What about coconut husk fibers? Hemp fibers? Has anyone ever tried making a wick with some long cut tobacco? If that would be possible it might add some good flavoring for you tobacco lovers.

Just curious bgl, what is the source of your bamboo? Was it processed in any way?
 

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My 28g oval wick with Lydia's is going strong, for those who have tried Lydia's and not had good results I will say, be patient. I have made 3 Lydia's setups now and would have discarded all of them if I had not waited until I had vaped at least 3ml of juice thru them. For some reason it takes them a while to break in. Leaving it over night in a half full vivi nova seamed to improve it immensely. At first I was mentally calling my friend Quig a liar, they just didn't produce adequate vaper. Now that my oval coil is two days old it is a monster and at first it was putting our little wisps of vaper. Scientifically I don't know why because it was wet in the beginning but didn't seam to transfer the juice from the wick to the coil efficiently. After a few ml the 28 oval g is probably the biggest producer I have made of any.
 

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This experiment got me thinking. What other natural, unprocessed fibers might be good candidates. What about coconut husk fibers? Hemp fibers? Has anyone ever tried making a wick with some long cut tobacco? If that would be possible it might add some good flavoring for you tobacco lovers.

Hmmm now you've really got me thinking too. I'm not sure how well long cut tobacco will wick but I'd sure like to find out...
 

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Hmmm now you've really got me thinking too. I'm not sure how well long cut tobacco will wick but I'd sure like to find out...

I thought about this also with cigar wrap for a wick but it's to close to smoking stinkies for me. Tobacco leaf and a hot coil, hell no. Got to much time invested. whaddaya think? :>)
 

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this post is directed at BJ,(with his engineering background) but anyone with ideas is welcome to chime in. my current and favorite setup is a mininova atop a lavatube with 4 strand cotton yard inside a 2mm coil with 5 wraps of 32 kanthal. i get good taste and vapor. even though i get good vapor, i would like to see the same amount of vapor, only(looking for the appropriate adjectives) thicker and creamier and heavier. i am a very visual person and would like to blow a cloud that i can't see through...ha. i tried doubling the wick and making it fatter. it didn't change much, tried tripling it too. same result. was leaning toward a heavier wire after reading some posts, but that would mean ordering it and waiting, no patience either....i am never satisfied i guess........any ideas?..........thanks,,vince

wow, just saw that vid in he 500 thread,that's nice vapor
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/330407-500-ss-mesh-109.html#post7459192
 
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this post is directed at BJ,(with his engineering background) but anyone with ideas is welcome to chime in. my current and favorite setup is a mininova atop a lavatube with 4 strand cotton yard inside a 2mm coil with 5 wraps of 32 kanthal. i get good taste and vapor. even though i get good vapor, i would like to see the same amount of vapor, only(looking for the appropriate adjectives) thicker and creamier and heavier. i am a very visual person and would like to blow a cloud that i can't see through...ha. i tried doubling the wick and making it fatter. it didn't change much, tried tripling it too. same result. was leaning toward a heavier wire after reading some posts, but that would mean ordering it and waiting, no patience either....i am never satisfied i guess........any ideas?..........thanks,,vince

wow, just saw that vid in he 500 thread,that's nice vapor
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/330407-500-ss-mesh-109.html#post7459192

Thicker wire does give more vaper, my oval 28g coil in the vivi nova is right now my best volume vaper producer. It is an immense heating area, six oval wraps 4mm by 2.5mm. I am no expert on these big wire coils as I built my first one about 10 days ago, but happily this old dog is learning knew tricks.
 

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Thicker wire does give more vaper, my oval 28g coil in the vivi nova is right now my best volume vaper producer. It is an immense heating area, six oval wraps 4mm by 2.5mm. I am no expert on these big wire coils as I built my first one about 10 days ago, but happily this old dog is learning knew tricks.
that's the one with the two round toothpicks, that you wrote about before, right. do you put the in the head side by side or one on top of the other, or doesn't it matter....shift key doesn't seem to be working, sorry
 

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Thicker wire does give more vaper, my oval 28g coil in the vivi nova is right now my best volume vaper producer. It is an immense heating area, six oval wraps 4mm by 2.5mm. I am no expert on these big wire coils as I built my first one about 10 days ago, but happily this old dog is learning knew tricks.

BJ - what resistance do you get with that?
 
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