Wick materials. Safe vs dangerous.

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For those of you who are using cheesecloth, what exact type are you using? I bought some 100% cotton natural cheesecloth and it does not seem very absorbent (just based on dripping a few drops of e-juice on it (65PG/35VG). If it is not very absorbent externally, I don't really think I can depend on it in my rba.

If you boil it first, that should take care of it. Just like cotton towels aren't very absorbent until you've washed them.
 

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Watching right now, seems like a great video. Which cheesecloth do you use? And how tightly do you pack it into the channels?

LOL ... I got mine from Meijer. Brand name, Farberware, one and a half square yards for $3. I've found that the 40-thread wick Quigsworth mentions is fine; I actually run mine up to about 45 threads and give it a slight twist (I want to keep the threads as straight as possible for that "tube full of threads" effect) as I lay it in the channels. It seems to fit very nicely ... about the same as the 3.5mm silica wick from COV.
 

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I've been trying to read the entire thread before commenting, but every time I get back here, there are more and more pages...I'm only on page 124 right now and may never finish at this rate lol

Anyway, I saw mention of organic cotton some pages back and since some people seem to be having trouble finding good cotton to use, I thought I'd chime in. Once I get my kanthal in, I'm going to use 100% organic cotton balls. I've read about pesticides being used on cotton and this would have nothing added at all.

Canucks can get them at London Drugs and those in the states can get them at Walgreens although I'm sure almost any drugstore would have them. Hope this helps someone.
 

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I don't get it.
Why use cotton again if you can use bamboo ?

Here are a few reasons to use Bamboo :

- Sheep and other animals secrete lanolin, a sort of waterproofing grease or wax that aids wool-producing animals in shedding water. bamboo fibers are free of lanolin, making it a much more hypoallergenic choice than most animal-based fabrics.

- Bamboo is able to absorb up to 300% of its weight in moisture , and it's 3-4 times more absorbent then cotton. It should also Wick better.

- cotton is the most highly sprayed cash crop in the country, making it not so eco-friendly. Bamboo can thrive without the use of pesticides and fungicides, and is one of the most rapidly renewable raw materials on the planet.

- Bamboo is much more resilient then cotton , and lasts alot longer until it starts to disintegrate over time.

some more info here on the scientific level :
Bamboo Fabric Hand Outdoes Cotton: Science Tells All

Basically Bamboo is better but ... unsure how much it is better on our application of coil making ... on the safe side I dont think it can be worse , being the most resilient natural fabric out there ...

right ? :) Upon this great discovery , I must ask fellow members advice on the best material :) Aunt lydia's #10 does not sell on Ebay internationally im afraid ... :(
 
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Vinv, all probably good points

I think some people are getting preferred results with cotton, so that's a part of it

The other thing is, it seems our bamboo threads are processed into a cellulose of sorts (what's used in this thread I mean), so they're not quite bamboo anymore after we get them

But either way, welcome :)
 

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I don't get it.
Why use cotton again if you can use bamboo ?

Here are a few reasons to use Bamboo :

- Sheep and other animals secrete lanolin, a sort of waterproofing grease or wax that aids wool-producing animals in shedding water. bamboo fibers are free of lanolin, making it a much more hypoallergenic choice than most animal-based fabrics.

- Bamboo is able to absorb up to 300% of its weight in moisture , and it's 3-4 times more absorbent then cotton. It should also Wick better.

- cotton is the most highly sprayed cash crop in the country, making it not so eco-friendly. Bamboo can thrive without the use of pesticides and fungicides, and is one of the most rapidly renewable raw materials on the planet.

- Bamboo is much more resilient then cotton , and lasts alot longer until it starts to disintegrate over time.

some more info here on the scientific level :
Bamboo Fabric Hand Outdoes Cotton: Science Tells All

Basically Bamboo is better but ... unsure how much it is better on our application of coil making ... on the safe side I dont think it can be worse , being the most resilient natural fabric out there ...

right ? :) Upon this great discovery , I must ask fellow members advice on the best material :) Aunt lydia's #10 does not sell on Ebay internationally im afraid ... :(

Actually, the Aunt Lydia's we are using is Rayon made from bamboo. Rayon is cellulose from plant material made into fibers. Nearly any undyed viscose Rayon should work the same. Aunt Lydia's bears as much resemblance to actual bamboo as a hot dog resembles a ribeye steak. I still use it. It works well, and I really see it as being as safe as anything out there for wick, especially if you give it a good boil.
 

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No one was a bigger cotton advocate than me until I finally caved to peer pressure and got some Lydia's and I'm so glad I did...after I wrap about a 100 ft around a cheese grater and boil it for a half hour then let it dry for a couple days there are 3 points where bamboo rayon goes all Chuck Norris on cotton...

1. Taste...1 min. or less of break-in and it's tasteless...nothing but pure juice...as clean as cotton is, it adds a slight earthy taste, not bad, just earthy...

2. Wicking and retention...not even rolled cotton baton is as good as Lydia's, and cotton baton is pretty damn good

3. Live span...3-4 good days off cheese cloth and baton vs. 5-6 from the Lydia's, minus cottons break-in period that's maybe a 70% improvement.

I realize taste is very subjective but I've run everything that can be wickified through my Ody, arguably one of the better flavour producing non genny RBA's made and when this bamboo can go toe to toe with XC-116...that's saying something...just saying
 

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I agree with Quig, Lydias has been the best of the natural fibers so far. The two set ups in my oval coiled Vivis 28g have been going for over two weeks. I went to change the threads and when I pulled them out, they were black but not burnt so I washed them and put them back in after dry burning and cleaning the coil.
Using my Quig donation efficiently..:toast:
 

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No one was a bigger cotton advocate than me until I finally caved to peer pressure and got some Lydia's and I'm so glad I did...after I wrap about a 100 ft around a cheese grater and boil it for a half hour then let it dry for a couple days there are 3 points where bamboo rayon goes all Chuck Norris on cotton...

1. Taste...1 min. or less of break-in and it's tasteless...nothing but pure juice...as clean as cotton is, it adds a slight earthy taste, not bad, just earthy...

2. Wicking and retention...not even rolled cotton baton is as good as Lydia's, and cotton baton is pretty damn good

3. Live span...3-4 good days off cheese cloth and baton vs. 5-6 from the Lydia's, minus cottons break-in period that's maybe a 70% improvement.

I realize taste is very subjective but I've run everything that can be wickified through my Ody, arguably one of the better flavour producing non genny RBA's made and when this bamboo can go toe to toe with XC-116...that's saying something...just saying

I've got some Aunt Lydias', but haven't tried it yet. I'm still getting major good results with the cotton cheesecloth ... I hope you've been getting more hits on your YouTube tutorial on CC; it's excellent, and I've been promoting it on several of the RBA threads on various fora I frequent. I hope you'll do another one on the Aunt Lydia's ... :laugh:
 
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So, as we make our way through the fibers of the world....has anyone tried linen made from natural flax fiber? The wiki entry makes it sound promising. Stronger wet than dry, withstands high temperatures well, lint free. I know linen wicks well, if you've ever worn linen clothing in hot weather you'll agree. Unfortunately if you Google "linen wick" you get a gazillion pages about air fresheners.

Anyone have any linen experience in our little vaping hive-mind here?
 

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Hmmm, I may have been thinking about wicks too much lately. I just had a really odd thought will writing on a CD....what is the writing tip of a Sharpie marker made of? It wicks ink from the big sponge reservoir and it's fairly rigid. I also use paint markers at work to put part numbers on big gears and shafts, the wick piece is a couple inches long on those, and they wick paint. It's not like the felt in big black markers, it's pretty solid, solid enough to use in a Genesis type atty and it would be easy to wrap a coil on.
 
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