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I've used hemp with a cotton sheath candle wick. The hemp is there I think to give stiffness to the cotton. It works, 'not bad' in my Echo Crystal Vision cartomizers. I think the square braided cotton wick, either #2/0 or #1/0 works a little better. Without scrolling back, I think there is commentary about unbraiding cotton candle wick for better performance.
Ok, so I will post here and not in the "cotton crazy" thread. The main argument for ss mesh not being safe is that it works to o good and lasts too long. The resulting buildup of gunk doesn't impair performance but does present toxins. This info has got me to clean my setups every few days now instead of every couple of months in some cases. But still I like the durability and clean flavor of my mesh. Just my 2c :thumbup:
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We need a sticky in the ECF library that will sum this information, the safe and dangerous thread is too much !
And I'll add that cotton wick (or even silica or fiber glass) gives warmer vapor than SS mesh, it's the main reason I don't use SS mesh anymore.
Anyone can add something about fiber glass ?
And I'll add that cotton wick (or even silica or fiber glass) gives warmer vapor than SS mesh, it's the main reason I don't use SS mesh anymore.
Anyone can add something about fiber glass ?
I havn't forgotten about this. I've been reading the safe vs dangerous thread and compiling data off and on. I will make a new thread with 'all' the data I can find soon and request a sticky for it.
I've been desperately trying to get a few questions answered. I'll try my luck in here...
I read in the "wick materials-safe vs dangerous" threads that some SS mesh is made with a nylon core, and to obviously steer clear of it. SS mesh comes with the Genesis I ordered from MOV, and I ordered replacement mesh from OKC. Are both of these vendors using 100% pure SS mesh? How would I even tell if mesh had a nylon core?
EDIT:OKC got back with me and I feel comfortable with their response. They explained they sell 316L grade, solid stainless steel mesh. Also, a user on ECF said that nylon core would "pop" and fall apart when exposed to the heating in the oxidizing process
Also, I see lot's of threads where people are making 100% cotton wicks, but I mostly see them being used with the Nova and Pheonix. Does anyone use pure cotton wick in their Genesis? I Want to try making a Genesis wick out of the rolled up CVS cotton batting, or cotton gauze. If you are using cotton like this for a Genesis wick, do you boil the cotton first?
I read in the "wick materials-safe vs dangerous" threads that some SS mesh is made with a nylon core, and to obviously steer clear of it. SS mesh comes with the Genesis I ordered from MOV, and I ordered replacement mesh from OKC. Are both of these vendors using 100% pure SS mesh? How would I even tell if mesh had a nylon core?
EDIT:OKC got back with me and I feel comfortable with their response. They explained they sell 316L grade, solid stainless steel mesh. Also, a user on ECF said that nylon core would "pop" and fall apart when exposed to the heating in the oxidizing process
Also, I see lot's of threads where people are making 100% cotton wicks, but I mostly see them being used with the Nova and Pheonix. Does anyone use pure cotton wick in their Genesis? I Want to try making a Genesis wick out of the rolled up CVS cotton batting, or cotton gauze. If you are using cotton like this for a Genesis wick, do you boil the cotton first?
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I just picked up the USP sterile rolled cotton from CVS. Do you do anything to prep it, i.e. boil ?
#400 SS mesh has wires that are .025mm..... Just how do you suppose these could be physically hollowed out and a nylon core added? Someone made a mistake somewhere, or doesn't know what end is up. If anyone finds SS tubing with a .025mm OD, please let me know, I probably want them for some electrode construction.
That would be about a 45G syringe needle size, LOL.
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I have tried it all,headaches.
I have found some braided (real) silica wick,I'm sold.(no frails)
I have found some braided (real) silica wick,I'm sold.(no frails)
silica has dangers, "real" or otherwise, and "no frays" which I assume is what you meant by no frails is not true, regardless of the wick or how it 'looks'. it will splinter, it will put fragments in your lungs... how dangerous that is, how many of those fragments make it, etc, are completely case specific. The second you cut your wick you have particles that can cause you issues, even if you don't cut it you will have particles. It's not a matter of 'if' it's a matter of how much.
SS has no real associated dangers as long as it's cleaned properly of any contaminants that it might have picked up in shipping or manufacture outside of getting an ouchy if you touch it after torching it.
SS has no real associated dangers as long as it's cleaned properly of any contaminants that it might have picked up in shipping or manufacture outside of getting an ouchy if you touch it after torching it.
Well,its not your casual wick,its basically a cord and I tie both ends in knots
As much as I try to remove an old coil and clean the wick,its still intact.
But thanks for the engrish lesson!
As much as I try to remove an old coil and clean the wick,its still intact.
But thanks for the engrish lesson!
What i'm sayin is 'intact' to your eyes does not mean it's intact. Silica fibers break longitudinally first then start to break down. I'm not sayin you're gonna die, I'm just saying don't assume because you see it not look frayed that it means you're not inhaling any bits of silica. I'm not a fanboi of any thing except vaping in general so I'm not tryin to sell you on SS. the reason I'm a fan of vaping in the first place is health so anything that causes a 'different' risk I try to mitigate or at least educate. If you're enjoying it, enjoy it.
The undesired silica particles are more or less, 'microscopic,' though their effects can be felt in the throat.
How in the earth do you fit 7 strands of #10 in the Vivi Nova? Did you widen the ato head slots? I'm currently using 2.
They fit just fine without widening the slot, because they are tiny (maybe 0.75mm, or less in diameter, uncompressed.) I do usually trim about two-thirds of a millimeter from the silicone cap to allow the wicks to pass juice through the slot better.
With 8 threads of the #10, my coil diameter ends up being less than 2mm, and the threads stack in the slot to around that height, as well.
I can't imagine 2 threads working very well, though I haven't tried it. Four is the lowest that I've gone, and it works OK as long as the coil isn't too tight.
Has anyone tried the hemp cord from wally world - used for jewelry?
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Natural-Polished-Hemp-Cord/17354458
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Natural-Polished-Hemp-Cord/17354458
I have not ever used a silica based wick.
I first used hemp twine. It does have a mild earthy flavor that is sometimes enjoyable to me [example: Hemp wick on an unflavored nic mix]. The earthiness continues through its life, changing a bit along the way. Fact: most hemp twine has very little of the absorbent inner hemp fibers & is largely woody outer fibers. I guesstimate a 30 absorbent / 70 tough partly absorbent ratio for the hemp twine I use. Most of my hemp wick changes are due to loss of wicking power, (I imagine by way of fiber deterioration) rather than fudge(more about fudge ahead
.) Hemp like cotton takes a ml or 2 to get settled in.
I then moved to SS mesh in search of a pure clean flavorless wick experience. It was found & fades with every draw, often way too quickly if I get the mesh twisted, sized, & set in to a well wicking state, due to crazy fast accumulation of sludge deposits on the coil wire. It can be dry burned to ash when tank the gets low, by tilting & letting atomizer units run dry. I then use a few tiny short blasts of canned air to remove the ash rather than bathe in water.
I have used 350 mesh & 100 mesh (thanx 2 raidy http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/203573-genisis-lv-box-kronos-3.html. 350 works well for me & a tight 100 wrap (wear gloves) tipped hard gets me tipsy(The caution of raidy is an under estimate, IMO). Next resupply will go the higher count to try them, as those using them make them sound nicer than 350 in capillary upward actual no tilt needed wicking.
I saw a very knowledgeable cool catt here used cotton,
so I tried unscented organic cotton balls (boiled then baked). I dig the taste of cotton. It takes a few mls to get it to run its cleanest & then the cotton starts to go rotten in a good way as it absorbs what on mesh would have become above coil stalactile sludge . I like it in this form & call it "cotton fudge". As it starts to build, it gives (likely evil) slowly accumulative smokey flavors. When the cotton fudge gets too thick, it may make one sick, I simply do a change of wick. Cottons enjoyable clean taste (after a few mls) lasts longer than mesh 4 mE, but less long than hemp for mE.
[Vapor Science Speculation
reason for delayed flavor in cotton possibly purifing elemental leftovers, from its USP beach processes, by way of wicking/burning them. In hemp it could be simple carboniferous fibers coil heat ripening similarly. Sounds good to mE, or it could just be I like the taste of cotton fudge/burnt hemp & it takes a bit to get going]
I am really liking the flavors of cotton deposit accumulation & can seemingly know by taste & sight when to wick change.
The clean pure taste of SS mesh is often deceiving too me. The stalactile deposits rest above & if I start too power vape it melts onto the coil giving extreme toxic taste in a dangerous burst, if I am dumb & inattentive. Solution easy, keep an eye under hoods & change wicks often. It's OK mE likes to build coils
Hemp is like a fine wine. [has some sour pleasurable notes]
I use this kind:
Thats my current 3 s/cents
I first used hemp twine. It does have a mild earthy flavor that is sometimes enjoyable to me [example: Hemp wick on an unflavored nic mix
]. The earthiness continues through its life, changing a bit along the way. Fact: most hemp twine has very little of the absorbent inner hemp fibers & is largely woody outer fibers. I guesstimate a 30 absorbent / 70 tough partly absorbent ratio for the hemp twine I use. Most of my hemp wick changes are due to loss of wicking power, (I imagine by way of fiber deterioration) rather than fudge(more about fudge ahead.) Hemp like cotton takes a ml or 2 to get settled in.I then moved to SS mesh in search of a pure clean flavorless wick experience. It was found & fades with every draw, often way too quickly if I get the mesh twisted, sized, & set in to a well wicking state, due to crazy fast accumulation of sludge deposits on the coil wire. It can be dry burned to ash when tank the gets low, by tilting & letting atomizer units run dry. I then use a few tiny short blasts of canned air to remove the ash rather than bathe in water.
I have used 350 mesh & 100 mesh (thanx 2 raidy
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/203573-genisis-lv-box-kronos-3.html. 350 works well for me & a tight 100 wrap (wear gloves) tipped hard gets me tipsy(The caution of raidy is an under estimate, IMO). Next resupply will go the higher count to try them, as those using them make them sound nicer than 350 in capillary upward actual no tilt needed wicking.I saw a very knowledgeable cool catt here used cotton,
so I tried unscented organic cotton balls (boiled then baked). I dig the taste of cotton. It takes a few mls to get it to run its cleanest & then the cotton starts to go rotten in a good way
as it absorbs what on mesh would have become above coil stalactile sludge . I like it in this form & call it "cotton fudge". As it starts to build, it gives (likely evil) slowly accumulative smokey flavors. When the cotton fudge gets too thick, it may make one sick, I simply do a change of wick. Cottons enjoyable clean taste (after a few mls) lasts longer than mesh 4 mE, but less long than hemp for mE.[Vapor Science Speculation
reason for delayed flavor in cotton possibly purifing elemental leftovers, from its USP beach processes, by way of wicking/burning them. In hemp it could be simple carboniferous fibers coil heat ripening similarly. Sounds good to mE, or it could just be I like the taste of cotton fudge/burnt hemp & it takes a bit to get going] I am really liking the flavors of cotton deposit accumulation & can seemingly know by taste & sight when to wick change.
The clean pure taste of SS mesh is often deceiving too me. The stalactile deposits rest above & if I start too power vape it melts onto the coil giving extreme toxic taste in a dangerous burst, if I am dumb & inattentive. Solution easy, keep an eye under hoods & change wicks often. It's OK mE likes to build coils
Hemp is like a fine wine. [has some sour pleasurable notes]
I use this kind:
Thats my current 3 s/cents
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