Wild cost of Nicotine

[Jonathan Tittle]

Just to clarify, my post was referencing why costs are higher, not opening the floor for discussion of higher mg nicotine, thatguy2. As is noted in the forum rules, safety precautions must be taken when handling higher mg Nicotine, and that, in itself, is one reason why costs can vary. Quality is also another concern as is clarify of the shipped product. Freshness is also something to consider.

I never linked to any vendor that offers higher mg nicotine, for the record, nor would I even if this forum allowed it as I feel its above what most need to focus on. Buying 100mg/ml is the best option for DIY'ers and the cost savings there is extraordinary when compared to buying bulk of 24mg, 36mg etc as you use less while using more of the cheaper chemicals, PG & VG.

I would never advise someone to buy something that is clearly a hazard for any home environment and most businesses without a lab.

NOTE to Tactical

FORUM RULES -

It has become obvious that some members joining in discussion of pure nic do not have any idea of the danger, or any knowledge of working with hazardous chemicals, or even any basic knowledge of measurements. Pure nic is as dangerous as cyanide - opening a bottle in a room can result in all present being poisoned. It must be handled in a fume cupboard, with hazmat precautions. Pure nic can be theoretically defined as: Nicotine 100%, 1000mg, 1000mg/ml, but is more likely to be found as 998mg, 997mg/ml or 990 mg (99%). We consider anything over 90% / 900mg to be 'pure nic'. No discussion of use or links to suppliers are allowed.

There is a very real danger of death or hospitalization with this material and ECF cannot support any publicity of its use or sources. There is no need to use it since far safer strengths are available for bulk mixing, such as 48mg (4.8% nicotine in PG or VG), 60mg (6%) 100mg (10%), and so on. To protect our members and ourselves we do not allow discussion or sources of anything over 200mg (20% nic) except within private trade forums. Trade promotion on ECF cannot exceed 36mg strength. Vendor's sites can sell any strength up to 89% though we advise vendors to limit sales to 10% / 100mg/ml where possible. Sites selling pure nic will be banned.

REFERENCE: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ew-rules-applied-nicotine-discussion-ecf.html

Note to thatguy2

I saw more discussion of the subject in the paste of the forum rule than I saw in Tactical's post. If Tactical was in violation, then the post quoting the rule should be an equal violation in my eyes.

And that's why I'm probably not a mod or admin.

 

[Gummy Bare]

Just to clarify, my post was referencing why costs are higher, not opening the floor for discussion of higher mg nicotine, thatguy2. As is noted in the forum rules, safety precautions must be taken when handling higher mg Nicotine, and that, in itself, is one reason why costs can vary. Quality is also another concern as is clarify of the shipped product. Freshness is also something to consider.

I never linked to any vendor that offers higher mg nicotine, for the record, nor would I even if this forum allowed it as I feel its above what most need to focus on. Buying 100mg/ml is the best option for DIY'ers and the cost savings there is extraordinary when compared to buying bulk of 24mg, 36mg etc as you use less while using more of the cheaper chemicals, PG & VG.

I would never advise someone to buy something that is clearly a hazard for any home environment and most businesses without a lab.

yea, i'm a pretty careful guy... but even i wont mess with 100mg nic stuff. plus i hear the "real" mg of nic of things that high can be very very off (like up to 150mg when it's labeled 100mg). not something i wanna to find out the hard way, or give to a friend my acident.

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

As long as you buy from a reputable vendor, such as WizardLabs, NudeNicotine or MyFreedomSmokes (to name a few), you shouldn't have those issues. With every bottle from NudeNicotine, they include a lab report, so you know what's inside and how pure it is.

 

[hazarada]

I usually buy IW bases from germany, comes to around €30 per liter. Meanwhile the same exact product bought locally is €120 per liter and ready made juices are €800 per liter. Greedy, greedy

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

I ordered my PG/VG from the same place I got my flavors from, the flavor apprentice.

Maurice

 

[dead not sleeping]

WL may be out of stock at times, but, you know the inventory hasn't been sitting there for forever, and they restock pretty quickly. They mix it up with pg or vg to order, you get fresh stuff and it shows. I have not had a problem with their quality or consistency to date.

dns

 

[Crunktanium]

Firstly, I was under the impression we were discussing advertised prices. I didn't read that there were any resellers in this thread. Secondly, the lat time I spoke with WL, they had no offering of wholesale nicotine in place. That was six weeks ago. So if they have wholesale accounts for nicotine now, then fine. It was apparent that the person I quoted calculated the 500ml price x 3.79 liters.

When I refer to wholesale that's just referring to the people who primarily purchase gallons. They have sold the gallon bottles for far longer then six weeks ago. Not sure who you spoke to but maybe when you mentioned the word wholesale and they took that to mean something other then just gallon size. I am not a wholesale customer and yet I can buy gallons in fact I called today and asked which they quoted $274 for 1gal of 100mg. If the person you speak to says they don't sell that ask to speak with John.

 

[jotook24tovaip]

I deal with WL (about 2/mo. +-) and asked them about the constant lack of product (seemed like they never had anything). This was a while ago so a couple of months back, when it seemed like they were going out of business their shelves were so empty (end of Nov. beginning of Dec. maybe) I sent an email. I am sure some of you have been using them much longer and know what I mean. They (as always) responded quickly and kindly telling me about their expansion plans and reminded me to check on Wed. mornings as when they restock its usually Tue. evening. Not sure if that still applies but its rare to have them without base liquids longer than 2-3 days since they grew. The first time I wanted to order from WL they didn't even have 12 or 18 mg./ml. solution they were so busy. (Must be nice to own a business like that!)

I like Nude too! Fair prices,fast service, they respond to emails. Those are the only two I have tried as far as nic. solution, pretty much clear and odorless with guaranteed chemical analysisisis?
Never ordered more than 250ml at a time either as I vape at 10mg/ml and that comes out to quite a lot of ml! I can use 1 ml. for each 10 ml. batch I mix (unless I make for someone else which isn't often). For some reason folks around here act like your trying to poison them. Worried about every little thing (that might be) in the liquid. Kinda funny when you consider they were killing themselves via smoke inhalation for any # of years and couldn't name anything that's in a cigarette.
As far as price goes it does fluctuate wildly from vendor to vendor, has anyone ever looked at One Stop DIY Shop! You would think with a name like that.....anyhow thanks for listening and vape on
Joe

 

[XfooYen]

When I refer to wholesale that's just referring to the people who primarily purchase gallons. They have sold the gallon bottles for far longer then six weeks ago. Not sure who you spoke to but maybe when you mentioned the word wholesale and they took that to mean something other then just gallon size. I am not a wholesale customer and yet I can buy gallons in fact I called today and asked which they quoted $274 for 1gal of 100mg. If the person you speak to says they don't sell that ask to speak with John.

Good to know. Thanks for the info. I always ask nic retail sites about wholesale accounts. It usually isn't difficult to achieve one and opens up more buying options. I was told by WL that they will be offering wholesale in the near future. $274/gal is better than most even at wholesale pricing. It takes a while to go through a gallon of nic, but I know a lot of DIYers here in SoCal. We usually buy in quantity and share the wealth. Now if WL could only keep up with demand....

 

[djdavies]

Hmm, I just busted into a 250ml of 100 MG from WL and once out of the brown bottle was surprised to see the nic was also brown. Seems alright, smells a little strong, and appears to taste normal though. But definetly NOT clear... crystal or otherwise.

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

Hmm, I just busted into a 250ml of 100 MG from WL and once out of the brown bottle was surprised to see the nic was also brown. Seems alright, smells a little strong, and appears to taste normal though. But definetly NOT clear... crystal or otherwise.

How long did you have it prior to opening it and how was it stored? The nicotine will oxidize over time, especially with light and heat, even in an amber bottle, so storage is key in keeping it clear. Once it's popped open, however, it will turn faster since air is constantly coming in contact with the nicotine as you open and close the bottle.

I have a 500ml bottle that's about 8 months old and it's just barely begun to turn; still good though - no odd taste and no harshness .

 

[djdavies]

I got it in December and it's been stored in a closet. I have other nic that I use to mix every several days stored in a clear glass jar I leave on my kitchen counter. It's as clear as water, been using it for 2 months and it never changes.

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

I got it in December and it's been stored in a closet. I have other nic that I use to mix every several days stored in a clear glass jar I leave on my kitchen counter. It's as clear as water, been using it for 2 months and it never changes.

Definitely a bit odd, unless it gets warm in the closet, as heat will cause it to oxidize quickly, even in an amber bottle (plastic or glass). Does it smell or taste off? Has it been opened at all?