Will Vaping like this work?
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I have allergic asthma. Give it some time. Expect the wheezing and/or amount of mucous to decrease to comfortable levels within a month. I don't need my inhaler any more except maybe once a day when everything starts blooming. Then I find the most helpful for me is half a 1200mg Mucinex and a loratidine pill twice a day (mucinex before bed essential this time of year.) DISCLAIMER: I'm NOT a doc. I, too, live with pets and sleep with them which I know I shouldn't do but dang I love them. As for vaping... watch the flavorings. Actually the best thing to do is what you're doing. The less of ANYTHING other than clean air you get in your bronchial area, the better. I shallow inhale and exhale through both mouth and nose which cuts down on the amount going out the nose. Bu shallow, I mean I inhale but block it from going down my windpipe with the back of my tongue. Just hang in there, you will be absolutely amazed how much things are going to clear up. As I said, give it time. Oh, and you know to stay away from or decrease dairy. It makes for some nasty wheezing. Thinking of that... be sure to stay well hydrated. Bronchials drying too much makes the body send mucous there.
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+1 Jeremy
As I recall the little cig-alikes I was using during the 'transition period' were 12Mg. Nic. and were just OK for me. It wasn't until I picked up a Cleartomizer and some 18Mg. e-liquid that I felt really satisfied to quit the analogs. I still pick up some 18Mg. juice now and again but now generally DIY my own around 13Mg. - 15Mg. and all is good.
My .02 Cents about 'mouth hold puffs' is that it's like smoking a cigar. I used to love some Cohibas, just keep in mind that those babies have as much Nic as a pack of Reds so you may want to up the Nic even further. Be aware if though if you do end up eventually easing into regular mouth/lung drags that your Nic will be too much and you'll want to find a good level to actually inhale.
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I agree with what some of the others said about the VG. That's why Blu didn't work for me. I do have a couple of 100% VG juices that I can handle, but it's mainly because my lungs have healed a little from being cig free.
Try a higher PG juice and see if that feels better.
Try a higher PG juice and see if that feels better.
I suffered from mild bronchitis as a result of allergies to certain grasses/plants that bloomed in mid-spring and others that bloomed in mid-autumn. When I quit smoking, the bronchitis was slightly aggravated for a week or so after I quit smoking and started vaping full time.
Like every other part of your body, your lungs adapt to their environment over time. Based on what I've learned, and as odd as it sounds, quitting smoking can actually make a breathing malady worse for a week or two, and picking up vaping in the same period can make it worse still.
Give your lungs a couple of weeks to "level out". Most of the time, the lungs adapt to the "new" environment, and breathing improves. If your breathing doesn't get better after a couple of weeks, then you should see your doctor about it.
(I'm not a doctor... This is just information I've learned from doctors and other medical professionals over the years from wanting to know more about my bronchitis, and about quitting smoking, which I had tried to do a few times.)
I've heard several veterans here in ECF point out that the nicotine you ingest from vaping exists in vapor droplets which are significantly larger than the particulates you inhale from smoking. Therefore, the villi in your lungs aren't able to process the nicotine from vaping, but it IS processed through the membranes in your mouth and nasal passages. So "mouth inhaling" when you vape is actually more effective at nicotine delivery than "lung inhaling".
(And yes, the vapor passes through your mouth and nasal passages even when you lung inhale. It's a matter of how long the vapor is in contact with those membranes.)
Question to the OP....You say you are down to around 15 smokes a day, alternating with vaping. Can you still inhale with the smokes, or does that too cause pain? Maybe I missed something, cause I would think continuing to smoke would continue any discomfort. To me, vaping is much easier on the lungs than actual smoke. Hopefully you can get over this last hurdle and quit the smokes completely! Good luck to you.
On a positive note, just heard from my doctor(psych.) friend down in GA....he was 3pad smoker, began vaping about 5 weeks ago, also alternating vaping and smoking. He said today that he's been 3 1/2 weeks now without a single cig!!!
I think he's gonna "make it".
On a positive note, just heard from my doctor(psych.) friend down in GA....he was 3pad smoker, began vaping about 5 weeks ago, also alternating vaping and smoking. He said today that he's been 3 1/2 weeks now without a single cig!!!
I think he's gonna "make it".
Thank you all SO much. I have to admit there have been a few times that I've about given up. But when I then face the alternative (staying on analogs with a predictable outcome) I turn back to vaping and keep trying. I see it working for so many of you here, and I'm not ready to give up at all.
I do think I ordered some 100% PG (I think!) from a couple online sellers, so I'm anxiously awaiting its arrival!!
I do have an appt with an allergist. Dr sent me there. I think I do have an inflammation problem because I can't even use a neti pot without the water getting stuck in my sinus's for days causing headaches/pressure.
I will keep re-reading this to keep me moving forward. There isn't a place close to me where I can get a good mix or variety of flavors. So I will (im)patiently wait and hopefully it will arrive soon!!!
I do think I ordered some 100% PG (I think!) from a couple online sellers, so I'm anxiously awaiting its arrival!!
I do have an appt with an allergist. Dr sent me there. I think I do have an inflammation problem because I can't even use a neti pot without the water getting stuck in my sinus's for days causing headaches/pressure.
I will keep re-reading this to keep me moving forward. There isn't a place close to me where I can get a good mix or variety of flavors. So I will (im)patiently wait and hopefully it will arrive soon!!!
That's wonderful stylemaster!! I'm happy for your friend!!
Sometimes smoke bothers me too, but its a different feel. The vaping causes a more wheezy tight feeling that lasts longer. And of course, maybe it's partially me being a little nervous and tightening myself up. I have a lot to figure out....but I'm not giving up.
I'm 59....my birthday is in September. I definitely want to be completely done by then....but much sooner. That will be my birthday present to myself.
Sometimes smoke bothers me too, but its a different feel. The vaping causes a more wheezy tight feeling that lasts longer. And of course, maybe it's partially me being a little nervous and tightening myself up. I have a lot to figure out....but I'm not giving up.
I'm 59....my birthday is in September. I definitely want to be completely done by then....but much sooner. That will be my birthday present to myself.
Mine's in September, too. I'll be 65. You will make it. You have set yourself a reasonable goal, and are doing everything you reasonably can to find out what works for you. Keep going at your own pace and get comfortable with it.
I had the same concern when I started... I was wheezing thinking 'um this can't be good...'
It went away after the first week. I also lowered my nic level so I don't know if it was the nic or just my body adjusting
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It went away after the first week. I also lowered my nic level so I don't know if it was the nic or just my body adjusting
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Ok here are a few thiings I noticed and have done myself. I still have that morning smoke but am down to 2-3 times a week and vaping the rest of the time.
Tip 1. Stay away from juices with high sweet levels (sugar cookie, custards, pie or cheeze cake flavors), pineapple, lemon or other high acidic citrus fruits and high VG bases (vg has natural sugars in it)
High VG or really sweet flavors can have a heavy feel like inhaling right from a steaming kettle and eexacerbate lung issues. HIgh acidic fruit flavors can have a harsh throat hit that can be too much when starting out. Give yourself some time before getting into the really rich flavors. Keep it simple.
Tip 2. Get a mild menthol or mint flavor.
Sometime the menthol can ease lung issues and make inhaling easier and if you get peppermint it can help heal some as well.
Tip 3 Take mouth to lung inhales but before inhaling to your lungs take a short nasal breath first, then lung inhale.
Tip 4 stick to 12 or 18 mg nic level at least.
YOur going from 24-36 mg nic from cigs to 6-12 mg liquid and thats probably too big of a drop for you right now.
Tip 5. DO NOT vape if you have had a cig within the las 15 min. Especially a high vg or sweet flavor. Your lungs will feel heavy more than likely if you do.
Tip 6. skip the cig alikes and work with the ego and a cartomizer tank, evod, iclear 16 or Ce5 tank. Cig alikes tend not to work well for heavy smokers.
Tip 7. Take short 2-3 second puffs and shallow inhales for a while. It took me a couple weeks of constant short puffs/shallow inhales before i could handle longer drags and a couple months before I could step up to the vape of higher end toppers and mods.
Tip 8. convince yourself to replace a few of your cigs a day with vaping. If you have to vape constantly for 20+ minnutes to make it a success then by all means do it.
Tip 9. Have a back up battery at all times. NOthing interrupts the transition more than having to wait a few hours for a battery to charge.
Tip 10. Don't give up. You had to learn to smoke in the beginning and you will have to learn to vape just the same
Now the set up that really worked for me when I started out is my ego twist VV and kanger mini protank. I still have it but don't use it anymore and am more than willing to PIF it to you if you want it. For a starter set up I found it hard to beat and even though I have better mods and Kayfun RTA's I still use a few of my mini protanks in my tank rotation. PM me if you want the set up and we can work out the details
Tip 1. Stay away from juices with high sweet levels (sugar cookie, custards, pie or cheeze cake flavors), pineapple, lemon or other high acidic citrus fruits and high VG bases (vg has natural sugars in it)
High VG or really sweet flavors can have a heavy feel like inhaling right from a steaming kettle and eexacerbate lung issues. HIgh acidic fruit flavors can have a harsh throat hit that can be too much when starting out. Give yourself some time before getting into the really rich flavors. Keep it simple.
Tip 2. Get a mild menthol or mint flavor.
Sometime the menthol can ease lung issues and make inhaling easier and if you get peppermint it can help heal some as well.
Tip 3 Take mouth to lung inhales but before inhaling to your lungs take a short nasal breath first, then lung inhale.
Tip 4 stick to 12 or 18 mg nic level at least.
YOur going from 24-36 mg nic from cigs to 6-12 mg liquid and thats probably too big of a drop for you right now.
Tip 5. DO NOT vape if you have had a cig within the las 15 min. Especially a high vg or sweet flavor. Your lungs will feel heavy more than likely if you do.
Tip 6. skip the cig alikes and work with the ego and a cartomizer tank, evod, iclear 16 or Ce5 tank. Cig alikes tend not to work well for heavy smokers.
Tip 7. Take short 2-3 second puffs and shallow inhales for a while. It took me a couple weeks of constant short puffs/shallow inhales before i could handle longer drags and a couple months before I could step up to the vape of higher end toppers and mods.
Tip 8. convince yourself to replace a few of your cigs a day with vaping. If you have to vape constantly for 20+ minnutes to make it a success then by all means do it.
Tip 9. Have a back up battery at all times. NOthing interrupts the transition more than having to wait a few hours for a battery to charge.
Tip 10. Don't give up. You had to learn to smoke in the beginning and you will have to learn to vape just the same
Now the set up that really worked for me when I started out is my ego twist VV and kanger mini protank. I still have it but don't use it anymore and am more than willing to PIF it to you if you want it. For a starter set up I found it hard to beat and even though I have better mods and Kayfun RTA's I still use a few of my mini protanks in my tank rotation. PM me if you want the set up and we can work out the details
Thanks glo, david and ca.
The wheezing almost got me so far as almost caused me to give it up. That's why I decided to come on here and talk it through. I had already told myself it was too late for me...I'd already damaged lungs too much and couldn't do this. I'm glad I didn't give into that thinking! I remember a couple years ago I came on here and saw one post that had something negative in it, and I didn't even give it a chance.
Great outline ca - I'll pm you in a while about that. All the tips here are so helpful!! I really appreciate it and would love to print this whole thread to keep with me! I'll have to figure out if that's possible.
The wheezing almost got me so far as almost caused me to give it up. That's why I decided to come on here and talk it through. I had already told myself it was too late for me...I'd already damaged lungs too much and couldn't do this. I'm glad I didn't give into that thinking! I remember a couple years ago I came on here and saw one post that had something negative in it, and I didn't even give it a chance.
Great outline ca - I'll pm you in a while about that. All the tips here are so helpful!! I really appreciate it and would love to print this whole thread to keep with me! I'll have to figure out if that's possible.
I've been vaping for a little over a month now, and I'm still noticing some wheezing. However, it's mostly in the mornings, and a few good coughs clears it up. My lungs are still cleaning themselves, I think. I haven't smoked an analog since the end of March, and up until recently I was using 50/50 juice. Just received some 70/30 juice in the mail, so I'm hoping that helps with the wheezing.
I've seen others suggest getting WTA juice as a way to give yourself a little bit more of a boost to help you stop with analogs. That might be worth looking into.
When I first quit analogs, I had a terrible cold/wheezing/etc. that went on for the better part of 2 weeks. I got through it though, and now I'm feeling much better. I chalked it up to being part of the process of my lungs getting better.
I hope things get better for you! We are all here to support you!
I've seen others suggest getting WTA juice as a way to give yourself a little bit more of a boost to help you stop with analogs. That might be worth looking into.
When I first quit analogs, I had a terrible cold/wheezing/etc. that went on for the better part of 2 weeks. I got through it though, and now I'm feeling much better. I chalked it up to being part of the process of my lungs getting better.
I hope things get better for you! We are all here to support you!
I had a real hard time of it when I first started vaping. My lungs were in revolt when I tried to force vapor on them instead of that smoke they had been getting for 50 years. After a visit to a local vape shop and some all VG juice, I was on my way. Even with 24 mg nic, I could easily vape it. After a month or so, I was able to move back to a more conventional mix. I know most on here are suggesting a heavy PG mix, but that was what was making me cough and hack. I hope you find what's right for you and can ditch those smokes once and for all. I'll send some good Texas vaping mojo your way right now!!!
When I initially started out last year I was an ex-smoker (I've actually never smoked that long, maybe a flew years of my life, and never a heavy smoker). I vaped Blu, and developed my first asthma attack of my life (it was mild though). I was already probably heading that way, as I noticed the cold air was bothering my lungs when I walked to the grocery or to the bus stop, but the Blu really made it worse, I had a little shortness of breath. Doctor gave me Ventolin and told me to come back if things got worse, that I may be just having a bad year. His view of e-cigs was that they were generally not a problem, but certain flavors or liquids might bother me. It turns out I have allergies to mold, mildew, and dust mites and that was probably one of the things bothering me, as I live in an old apartment.
Blu's juice is almost 100 percent VG and it's really thick... now days I can vape VG but I need a lot of water in it to thin it down, about 25-30 percent. There are some liquid vendors that do that (I think Mt. Baker Vapor?). I really do like the sensation of VG, and too much PG can have its own issues (I have fibromyalgia as well and too much PG just seems to be taxing on my whole body), so it's very tough for me, I suppose reducing my inhalation helps. I do my own DIY to cut down on flavor and liquid issues and it seems to help- I stick with Flavour Art tobacco flavors and a little EM sweetener, keeping the flavor light.
I don't lung-inhale all of the time, and I noticed I actually get more nicotine by not smoking it the way I would a cigarette, as others have said you can do mouth-nose inhales before I take a short lung inhale. I'm actually getting more nicotine now than when I started off trying to smoke them like cigarettes and doing harder lung inhales, so there can be a learning curve.
Blu's juice is almost 100 percent VG and it's really thick... now days I can vape VG but I need a lot of water in it to thin it down, about 25-30 percent. There are some liquid vendors that do that (I think Mt. Baker Vapor?). I really do like the sensation of VG, and too much PG can have its own issues (I have fibromyalgia as well and too much PG just seems to be taxing on my whole body), so it's very tough for me, I suppose reducing my inhalation helps. I do my own DIY to cut down on flavor and liquid issues and it seems to help- I stick with Flavour Art tobacco flavors and a little EM sweetener, keeping the flavor light.
I don't lung-inhale all of the time, and I noticed I actually get more nicotine by not smoking it the way I would a cigarette, as others have said you can do mouth-nose inhales before I take a short lung inhale. I'm actually getting more nicotine now than when I started off trying to smoke them like cigarettes and doing harder lung inhales, so there can be a learning curve.
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yes, a definite learning curve Fire. I have so much to learn. I never even thought about how I inhale before now! I found I do a weird/interesting thing with smoke that I can't do with vaping. I take first puff and blow out nose while taking another into lungs. Wow...never paid attention!
Thank you BigCatDaddy - I can use all the vaping mojo good vibes I can get!! I"m waiting for more juice to come in the mail .. nowhere around my area that has anything good to choose from.
Question - on Heathers Heavenly what does the word purity after some of the flavors mean? I will research it more...have any of you had good luck with those flavors on the site? I'm looking for a mild smooth low minty flavor like ca mentioned above. Not sweet. I really would like a tobacco flavor...but the one I tried at cheap tobacco tasted like rotten something or rather. Yuck.
35 days ncolwell! Great. I can't wait until I can start a counter!! I need to let go of some of the fear about wheezing, etc and just go through it especially if it's just part of it. But if I can get enough nic just with mouth and out through nose (if the headache/pressure thing stops) then I may just go that route and wait to see if lungs clear out enough to do some lung inhales later.
Thank you BigCatDaddy - I can use all the vaping mojo good vibes I can get!! I"m waiting for more juice to come in the mail .. nowhere around my area that has anything good to choose from.
Question - on Heathers Heavenly what does the word purity after some of the flavors mean? I will research it more...have any of you had good luck with those flavors on the site? I'm looking for a mild smooth low minty flavor like ca mentioned above. Not sweet. I really would like a tobacco flavor...but the one I tried at cheap tobacco tasted like rotten something or rather. Yuck.
35 days ncolwell! Great. I can't wait until I can start a counter!! I need to let go of some of the fear about wheezing, etc and just go through it especially if it's just part of it. But if I can get enough nic just with mouth and out through nose (if the headache/pressure thing stops) then I may just go that route and wait to see if lungs clear out enough to do some lung inhales later.
I am so confused. So the Blu has what? VG or PG? I know it's exclusively one or the other....but I threw the box away! Darn. The Blu did cause congestion and so does the sugar cookie. I'm not using it much, but still trying some. Only holding in mouth and out nose. So I ordered this juice online with 100% VG (purity). Not sure I did the right thing now. Maybe I should be going 100% PG.
It seems like this might be trial and error until you find the right mix for you? I can see it now....I'll have juices like crazy in the house! I did have some offered to me today free from a friend who wants to get off nic altogether. She got them at a local (to her) reliable place that I've seen mentioned on here.
It seems like this might be trial and error until you find the right mix for you? I can see it now....I'll have juices like crazy in the house! I did have some offered to me today free from a friend who wants to get off nic altogether. She got them at a local (to her) reliable place that I've seen mentioned on here.
I am so confused. So the Blu has what? VG or PG? I know it's exclusively one or the other....but I threw the box away! Darn. The Blu did cause congestion and so does the sugar cookie. I'm not using it much, but still trying some. Only holding in mouth and out nose. So I ordered this juice online with 100% VG (purity). Not sure I did the right thing now. Maybe I should be going 100% PG.
It seems like this might be trial and error until you find the right mix for you? I can see it now....I'll have juices like crazy in the house! I did have some offered to me today free from a friend who wants to get off nic altogether. She got them at a local (to her) reliable place that I've seen mentioned on here.
It seems like this might be trial and error until you find the right mix for you? I can see it now....I'll have juices like crazy in the house! I did have some offered to me today free from a friend who wants to get off nic altogether. She got them at a local (to her) reliable place that I've seen mentioned on here.
I guess with the Blu it depends on which cartos you get. When I went to their site, this is what I found:
"Contains Distilled Water, Nicotine (when applicable), Vegetable Glycerin or a combination of Propylene Glycol and Vegetable Glycerin, Natural Flavors, Artificial Flavors, and Citric Acid."
Not much help, I know. Only thing I can suggest is, if you have a store close by that sells the Blu cartos you are using, go in and look on the pack to see what it says.
"Contains Distilled Water, Nicotine (when applicable), Vegetable Glycerin or a combination of Propylene Glycol and Vegetable Glycerin, Natural Flavors, Artificial Flavors, and Citric Acid."
Not much help, I know. Only thing I can suggest is, if you have a store close by that sells the Blu cartos you are using, go in and look on the pack to see what it says.
A little trial and error on the juice choices in the beginning for sure! I had a pile that I PIF'd to other vapers once I sorted out what was best for me. Just stick with it and come here for support just like you did - and you will get there. You have already made HUGE progress. Going from 1.5 packs (25 cigs) to 15 a day is 10 less a day, 70 less per week (almost 4 packs less weekly!!) Sometimes realizing the REAL numbers like that helps to digest the true success you have already made for yourself Remind yourself and revel in every cigarette you dont smoke! You will get to the day where its zero when you are ready
The WTA suggestion ^^ up there is fairly magnificent. Both myself and my fiance really hit a rough spot in the beginning of this adventure, it saved our butts. It has some of the tobacco alkaloids that you are missing from ecigs and having it on hand is a very valuable tool to get through the hard days. It is not instant magic, but it does help satisfy *something* thats missing. My guess is it helps some with the body's withdrawal from all of the alkaloids it grew rather accustomed to in large doses. It doesnt make it go away, but WTA sure eased the edge on rough moments.
Tobacco flavors are tough, I found a WTA from Aroma called 555 that had this taste...it was very good and it satisfied something that I was missing in rough moments and there are also 2 very good tobaccos over at Nicoticket, H1N1 and Radioactive. If you were not a menthol smoker, these might help scratch that missing itch
Good luck on your journey keep us updated - we are all pulling for you!
Remind yourself and revel in every cigarette you dont smoke! You will get to the day where its zero when you are ready The WTA suggestion ^^ up there is fairly magnificent. Both myself and my fiance really hit a rough spot in the beginning of this adventure, it saved our butts. It has some of the tobacco alkaloids that you are missing from ecigs and having it on hand is a very valuable tool to get through the hard days. It is not instant magic, but it does help satisfy *something* thats missing. My guess is it helps some with the body's withdrawal from all of the alkaloids it grew rather accustomed to in large doses. It doesnt make it go away, but WTA sure eased the edge on rough moments.
Tobacco flavors are tough, I found a WTA from Aroma called 555 that had this taste...it was very good and it satisfied something that I was missing in rough moments and there are also 2 very good tobaccos over at Nicoticket, H1N1 and Radioactive. If you were not a menthol smoker, these might help scratch that missing itch
Good luck on your journey keep us updated - we are all pulling for you!
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