FDA will WTA survive the FDA?

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There is a minority in the vaping community that are opposed to using whole tobacco alkaloid. AEMSA, for instance, a trade group representing several e-liquid manufaturers. If the FDA used their standards as guidelines, we wouldn't be allowed to buy anything but USP nicotine.
Yeah, unfortunately, being a vaper doesn't mean someone isn't a busy-body control freak who wants to be able to be able to dictate what others should and shouldn't do, even when there's no chance of hurting anyone else.
 

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Yeah, unfortunately, being a vaper doesn't mean someone isn't a busy-body control freak who wants to be able to be able to dictate what others should and shouldn't do, even when there's no chance of hurting anyone else.

That's pretty harsh. :) I don't think that was their intention, more that they wanted to capitalize on the insecurities of vapers who had a notion that every other juice outfit brewed their concoctions in bathtubs. They did cross the line when they proclaimed themselves representatives of us, thankfully I don't think that really panned out. If we have any chance, it is our individual voices and actions which will make the difference. AEMSA's peanuts compared to us.
 

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That's pretty harsh. :) I don't think that was their intention, more that they wanted to capitalize on the insecurities of vapers who had a notion that every other juice outfit brewed their concoctions in bathtubs.

I think it's just a lobbying group now.

So many of their standards just seem arbitrary. Besides excluding WTA, they don't allow added food colorings unless the food coloring is in a flavoring ingredient. To cover up the dirty secret that a lot of companies no doubt are using off-the-shelf food flavorings never intended for inhalation?
 

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The way the proposed regs are written, if something is a "new" tobacco product -- meaning there was no "Substantially Equivalent" product on the market in 2007 -- then whomever wishes to make/sell that product must submit an application to have their product "Approved" by the FDA within two years of the regulations being finalized, otherwise the product is not allowed.

OK, all your favorite WTA vendor has to do is file such an application, right? Well.. Best guesses are that preparing and filing such an application will cost a 6 figure amount at minimum, and possibly as much as 8 figures. Of course there's NO guarantee that the application will be approved; the FDA can very well say, "You need to do more studies, come back when you have more info".

So do you think any of the existing WTA makers are able or willing to make that kind of an investment in red tape?

Why should it be only the vendors responsibility to pay to get this stuff approved? I am just throwing out possible solutions to this expensive approval process. If we, the end users, form a group of some sort to help raise funds to get the most popular products through the process, wouldn't that be a benefit to us all?
 

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That's pretty harsh. :)

Not harsh at all, in my opinion. There are people out there whose only thrill is telling other people what they must or must not do. They are not my friends. Relating to vaping, well swell! We need more internal division, don't we. Like a moose needs a hat rack!
 

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On the other hand...

The procedures to purify nicotine, difficult as they may be, are pretty much "by the book". When it comes to WTA, there's a certain degree of art required.

Or rather, all nicotine is the same (without splitting hairs on impurities), while WTA depends on the cook.

Hello Dvap! The King of Minor Alkaloids is here--in person! :D

Yeah, one does not simply make WTA, does one? ;)

Nice to see you again--and thanks for the explanation!
 

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And I thought it'd be the other way 'round, learn sumpin' new every....... once in awhile (-;

That's exactly what I thought, too. At least commercially.

For the home cooks, well, I wouldn't try it at home myself under any circumstances. :D
 
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It pains me to say this, because I have some WTA and do use it when dealing with stressful situations...

But it seems pretty clear to me that WTA has a MUCH higher hurdle to jump over in the Premarket Tobacco Application (PMTA) process.
They will need studies (that don't exist yet) on the effect of each of the minor alkaloids and their synergistic effect.

Maybe Big Tobacco might pick up this ball and run with it.
After all, there is a chance it might be one way of making vaping more addictive.
;)
 
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