Wire Rope for Wick?

[burnie71]

Much appreciated, for me at least im finding more hotspots appear once ive vaped for a while, so im going to assume my coil is at fault but apart from that i have 1 last question, Considering we dont have to watch out for strangling the wick with this rope, can we wrap the coils a bit tighter than normal, that is assuming the mesh is either oxidised correctly, or doing the pulse method on a pretty dead battery or low vv.
Apart from the above the AC9 is rocking on the Poldiac.

The coil 0.6 I am using right now was made using Peter K method fitted coil to mod using drill bit once fitted I fired coil very hot this sort of put an insulation coating on coil. Mesh just a slight burn to get rid of any gunk, #500 wick rolled onto rope making a nice snug sliding fit to the coil. I Pulse using full battery on mod just a button touch at a time until coils start to glow and gradually make longer pulses add some pg to wick adjusting coils as you go until all are even....this works for me! many people use the Peter K method I was very sceptical at first until I tried it and has quite a following on this forum.
Just on other thing it is possible to get a twist in the ribbon that can go un-noticed this will cut into the mesh, happened to me first time out with ribbon.

 

[burnie71]

So the rope I have been using 316 SS 7x19 did not release and white smoke or funny smells when I torched it red but I just went and checked if it was magnetic and it is, does that mean its galvanized or not, does anyone have a definite source of rope that is NOT galvanized ? Thanks.

A magnet will stick to 316 stainless! it contains iron and nickel. That is why stainless steel must be used on an induction cooktop, heating is via magnetism. So you have no problems

 

[Atlantisboy]

A magnet will stick to 316 stainless! and other grades, the really high grade stuff probably not. That is why stainless steel must be used on an induction cooktop, heating is via magnetism.

Thanks Burnie so how can I tell if its galvanized, I don't have any drano, any tests I can do because now I am worrying!

 

[baskln]

Has anyone tried this on a Smok RSST? If so I was wondering if someone could recommend a size and perhaps a vendor to buy from? Preferably w/o the nylon ropes inside. I saw a review about a week ago of someone using the SS rope with ribbon kanthal and it looked pretty awesome! I'd prefer to NOT have to drill out my wick hole on my RSST if it's avoidable. Thanks in advance!

 

[burnie71]

Thanks Burnie so how can I tell if its galvanized, I don't have any drano, any tests I can do because now I am worrying!

Heat, if you have a torch get it really as hot as! past red if its galvanized it will spit and give of a white smoke (zinc oxide) @ around 700 degrees by memory. I use plumbers torch if you can't get it past red hot one of your local plumbers etc. would help you out i'm sure.

 

[shortyjacobs]

So the rope I have been using 316 SS 7x19 did not release and white smoke or funny smells when I torched it red but I just went and checked if it was magnetic and it is, does that mean its galvanized or not, does anyone have a definite source of rope that is NOT galvanized ? Thanks.

Some SS is magnetic. The real test is caustic, (NaOH, drano, etc.).

Sent from my phone, ecxuse teh speling mitsaeks.

 

[RickAppling]

I had heard a number of mentions of oxidation and I wondered if that might be the case. But it seems so counter-intuitive. Maybe if I can spare some time I can run some tests.

If you wrap it directly on the rope it won't. There has to be some sort of insulator between the rope and the coil, plus the surface of the rope is too irregular to keep the coil wet. A lot of people are using SS mesh which insulates because the surface of it is oxidized. Some others are using materials like wool, silica, or ceramic rope which insulates for much more obvious reasons

 

[Atlantisboy]

Heat, if you have a torch get it really as hot as! past red if its galvanized it will spit and give of a white smoke (zinc oxide) @ around 700 degrees by memory. I use plumbers torch if you can't get it past red hot one of your local plumbers etc. would help you out i'm sure.

Yeah thanks I'm not sure how hot my torch gets.

Some SS is magnetic. The real test is caustic, (NaOH, drano, etc.).

Sent from my phone, ecxuse teh speling mitsaeks.

I will have to get Drano I guess thanks, so does anyone now for sure of a vendor that sells non galvanized online, I want to order some more just to be safe.

 

[shortyjacobs]

I had heard a number of mentions of oxidation and I wondered if that might be the case. But it seems so counter-intuitive. Maybe if I can spare some time I can run some tests.

SS wire rope is just as conductive as SS wire mesh. People've been using SS wire mesh in gennies for 4 years running now....I've yet to see a solid, scientific explanation of why it works. I'm a chemist and a chemical engineer - not a materials scientist or metalurgist, so I only know enough to know that some theories sound plausible and others are based completely in fantasy or misguided wikipedia reading. I've yet to read a solid, scientifically backed explanation that isn't just a guess....

But one way or another, it works. People have MANY different methods of building that oxidation insulation layer, from torching and quenching, just torching, burning juice on it, using just a BIC lighter and juice, (my method), or just using the coil's heat to slowly pulse out and build the insulation layer. There's cigarette rolling paper methods, gauze/cheesecloth methods, hydrogen peroxide methods, and so on.....but one way or another, people discover their own personal voodoo that lets it work for them.

Plus you feel like a ....... wizard when you manage to get a coil to light up evenly red whilst wrapped around a thermally and electrically conductive core.

 

[Uma]

AB, it was shiny, not grey not and dull, so it should be the good stuff. But it wouldn't hurt to test it. I would, but I don't have any draino & the store is too far away for a quick purchase.

 

[Uma]

haha, you're welcome Vapspaz! You kind of got lost in the shuffle there, had to pull you out. :::Twilight zone music inserted here:::
I use the 0.5 FRW and achieved the 2.2 ohm (1.8-2.2).

 

[Atlantisboy]

AB, it was shiny, not grey not and dull, so it should be the good stuff. But it wouldn't hurt to test it. I would, but I don't have any draino & the store is too far away for a quick purchase.

Ok now I am confused I thought everyone was saying the galvanized was shinier than the non?

 

[Uma]

Ok now I am confused I thought everyone was saying the galvanized was shinier than the non?

This can be confusing, indeed, but I'm 99% confident that the galvanized is the grey mute-ish tone and the SS is the shiny. Just like our mods. Our SS mods are shiny, not dull.

Picture the galvanized things we use or see daily. In my case, I see galvanized gates, rain gutters, horse trailers (that's why they don't blind us as they pass us), metal roofs,

 

[bigv69er]

This can be confusing, indeed, but I'm 99% confident that the galvanized is the grey mute-ish tone and the SS is the shiny. Just like our mods. Our SS mods are shiny, not dull.

No the home depot galvanized is super duper shiny, like rediculous shiny almost fake...

Not galvanized is a little shiny

 

[Uma]

No the home depot galvanized is super duper shiny, like rediculous shiny almost fake...

Not galvanized is a little shiny

I stand corrected, but how do they get the galvanized so shiny?
Ours was regular shiny, not super bright fake shiny, so I'm sure it's still okay. Wouldn't hurt to test it, of course, but I'm sure it's fine.

 

[Uma]

Wow. and here I was so sure of myself for once. lol My apologies.
Bright vs. Shiny Wire Rope

also this quote "Do not worry if the galvanized steel starts to turn a light gray over time. When zinc oxidizes, it develops a light grey or blue patina." (which is what I always encounter obviously lol)

Read more: How to Polish Galvanized Steel | eHow http://www.ehow.com/how_6498299_polish-galvanized-steel.html#ixzz2Uq3DXJ7q

 

[bigv69er]

I stand corrected, but how do they get the galvanized so shiny?
Ours was regular shiny, not super bright fake shiny, so I'm sure it's still okay. Wouldn't hurt to test it, of course, but I'm sure it's fine.

Im pickong more up for you guys.. So ill take pics of the difference

 

[burnie71]

This can be confusing, indeed, but I'm 99% confident that the galvanized is the grey mute-ish tone and the SS is the shiny. Just like our mods. Our SS mods are shiny, not dull.

Picture the galvanized things we use or see daily. In my case, I see galvanized gates, rain gutters, horse trailers (that's why they don't blind us as they pass us), metal roofs,

Depends on the age and shelf time Uma, when new galvanized can look more shiny, years ago (many) when I was an apprentice one of the things learned related to wire rope ( if not sure of material) burn it. Smoke will sometimes be seen, a spitting will be present along with green/blue flame if galvanized. Stainless steel on the other hand will get red/white hot with no spitting or green/blue flame.
The caustic test is a good one to use on a test piece, just be sure not to use it for vaping if test proves good....bin the test sample to be safe. As for me I have satisfied myself that all my ropes are stainless by burning a sample of each.
I really can't understand why people are selling galvanized when advertised as stainless.....dishonest suppliers should be publicly shamed.

 

[Uma]

Good info Burnie!
Is the stovetop flame hot enough? I can retorch one of my wicks and look closer for colors & white smoke. (I didn't notice any when I torched it, but I wasn't looking for it either).
How long does it have to sit in the draino before it bubbles if it's going to bubble?
I agree, those sellers need to get their acts together. Good grief!

 

[burnie71]

Good info Burnie!
Is the stovetop flame hot enough? I can retorch one of my wicks and look closer for colors & white smoke. (I didn't notice any when I torched it, but I wasn't looking for it either).
How long does it have to sit in the draino before it bubbles if it's going to bubble?
I agree, those sellers need to get their acts together. Good grief!

Don't think it could get hot enough Uma, but another way is to scrape with a sharp knife, galvanized will get very shiny and leave small particles on finger clean stainless will not change.
Another thing comes to mind here, if one accidentally did vape galv and it got hot enough to burn the zinc one would find a sweetness in back of throat, any welders out there will know what I mean. Please don't think I am suggesting that its ok to use galvanized by that comment.