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chimney55

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Lately, it seems like Israel's list of friends has grown quite short.


In their rush to establish "peace" in the Middle east, several nations have been "dialoguing" with the enemies of Israel. Seeking to curry their favor, they have even gone so far as to label Israel as a "troublemaker," blaming her for all the problems that have occurred in the ME. Add to this those nations that have hopped onto the band wagon as well as the US pressuring Israel to cave in to PA demands for land to create "Palestine", and you begin to see that Israel is fast finding herself alone in a hostile world; one that simply wants Israel to cave in to any demand, no matter how unreasonable, all in the name of "peace." The Palestinians want their own "capital" and their own "homeland", and are willing to go to any lengths to get it, no matter how underhanded they have to act, or how much they have to whine and cry to the United Nations. Never mind that Israel has a rightful claim to the land that predates the claims of anyone else.

No one seems to pay that any mind.

To add insult to injury, there are Christians out there who believe in "replacement theology"; because Israel rejected Jesus as their king, they lost all the promises that the Lord made to them. That in effect, the Church has become "spiritual Israel" in place of the original nation, and will now receive the promises that were once hers. According to this, God has rejected his chosen nation, and the church replaces it for all time.

This is UNBIBLICAL, and extremely unwise; Israel is STILL God's chosen nation!!

While some promises to Israel were conditional in the Bible (such as being allowed to remain in the land until they turned from the Lord), the following promise had no conditions:

“As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, And you will be the father of a multitude of nations. No longer shall your name be called Abram, But your name shall be Abraham; For I have made you the father of a multitude of nations. I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make nations of you, and kings will come forth from you. I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you. 8“I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”(Genesis 17:4-8, NASB, emphasis mine)

God made no conditions to Abraham when he made this promise to him. He spoke plainly, telling Abraham all that would be needed for the covenant. Abraham had to do nothing for the covenant, except believe that God would uphold it. And since Abraham was the representative head of the entire nation, that promise extended through him down to all his descendants who would come into the land after him.

Now, as for God rejecting the Hebrew nation because they rejected their king, many forget the words that Jesus spoke on the cross:

"But Jesus was saying, "Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing." And they cast lots, dividing up His garments among themselves." (Luke 23:34, NASB, emphasis mine)

Jesus KNEW that the people would cry out for his death, that they would reject him. But instead of calling out for vengeance, Christ asked his father to have mercy on them. Yes, Jesus predicted the destruction of Jerusalem, and Jerusalem was destroyed a second time and the people were scattered; but as God promised, Israel has once again been regathered in her home land. God STILL has promises to keep to his chosen nation, and he had mercy on them, leaving a remnant that would one day regather in the Jewish homeland. Even though the are gathered in unbelief, the time will come when Israel will see again the awesome power of God Almighty, and call once again upon him, going so far as to rebuild the temple.

Israel and the Church are not one in the same now, nor are they intended to be. They have separate destinies. Yet, anyone who seeks to become a member of the Church now before the "window of grace" closes may do so. The hours grow fewer and fewer, yet there is still time for those who truly seek Christ to come to him and find him. There is yet daylight, however much it is waning, left to us. it is not entirely dark yet.

We need to remember one important promise that God made to Abraham that has carried on through the centuries, and it is just as much in effect today as when Yahweh first spoke these words to Abraham millenia ago:

"“I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."(Genesis 12:2-3, NASB, emphasis mine)

And, the POWERFUL promise God makes to Israel in the book of Amos:

"Also I will restore the captivity of My people Israel, And they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them; They will also plant vineyards and drink their wine, And make gardens and eat their fruit. I will also plant them on their land, And they will not again be rooted out from their land Which I have given them,” Says the LORD your God." (Amos 9:14-15, NASB, emphasis mine)

Those verses ALONE should blow "replacement Theology " out of the water and send it sinking to the bottom of the theological drink!

As far as the nations that ally themselves with the enemies of Israel go, they are signing their own death warrant; God has not forgotten that he has made promises to Israel, and HE WILL KEEP THEM. He has not invested all that time and all his resources into his holy nation simply to allow them to come to utter destruction. Even in their bleakest state, God has preserved a remnant to restart Israel when he has brought them back from captivity and the diaspora.


As it concerns the church, the Lord warns us not to add or subtract anything from scriptures:

"You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. ( Deuteronomy 4:2, NASB)

I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; (Revelation 22:18, NASB)


We dare not to read our own wills or desires into God's words, but to allow the words to shape us instead. We are subject to the Bible, not the other way around, and to twist scripture to fit our own slanted interpretations is to truly play with some serious fire that we would do well NOT to test in the first place. Saying that Israel has been replaced by the church is a prime example of this, and by doing so, we are joining in with those that would make friends with the enemies of that nation.

This is where the two subjects tie in.

The enemies of Israel seek to deny her her rightful place by stealing her land, killing her people, and erasing her from history. If we believe the dreck of replacement theory, then we are saying that Israel is not God's chosen nation.


Isn't that what the enemies of Israel are saying also by trying to destroy her?


One other thing that this topic brings up, that we should think on: if we are claiming that God will not honor the promises He clearly made to his chosen nation unconditionally, are we not also saying then that we doubt he will keep the promises he made to US unconditionally? That he will not uphold his word and that we do not trust him to keep his word?

“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. “My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. " (John 10:27-29, NASB, emphasis mine)

Under the same thinking that lies at the heart of "replacement theory", all the sins we committed or ever will commit should have disqualified us from salvation. But here, God promises that he will not lose a single one of us.


And God STILL has promises to keep to Israel.


The Bible promises that Jerusalem will become a burdensome stone and a cup of trembling to those that wish to trifle with her. We best heed the words of scripture, and not put words into place that God never spoke. Israel needs all the friends she can get right now, and God is watching everything that we do, and our words are being recorded as well. Will we the church be able to say we stood by her side up until we were called home by our Master?


It's something to think about.


I bid all of you peace.


YBIC,


-Robert

Reprinted with permission from my brother in Christ, Robert
 

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So well said...It IS so discouraging to know that there are other believers out there that deny Israel as God's chosen people, I just recently learned this information through this forum. It is beyond my understanding as to how the Word could be so twisted as to deny God's love for his people. To make God out a liar with the cloak of stating that God has not lost his love for them, they have lost theirs for him. The thread of His love and covenant is woven throughout the entire bible.

But...I do understand sadly enough...

The enemy is taking his last stance, and the elect are in danger. We must pray and then pray some more that we will be able to stand.

Thanks for sharing Chimney....I hope you stick around, you're a definite bright spot here for me :)
 
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Beautifully said Chimney, so sad to agree with you... and you too Imrasch. So many hardened hearts against Israel and those who stand with her & for her. Take heart in this hope that I have for her.. that the Lord will deliver her as He has promised. As for us? Let's not deny her.. let us pray for her and love her. She is surrounded by her enemies.

You're a definite bright spot here for me also...
 

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Amos 9:14,15 ". . . and they will not again be rooted out from their land . . ." This sounds very much like ". . . and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it . . ." If this is talking about the church, which Peter says he is in Acts 15, then this context is one showing the restoring of the captivity of Israel is really synonymous with the conversion of the Gentiles. How would that make sense? How could the conversion of the Gentiles be paralleled with the restoring of "My people Israel?" Israel was scattered throughout all of these pagan lands - v. 9. When the gospel was preached to these pagan lands, the gospel was being preached to Israel again because Israel was in those pagan lands. Those lands were Gentile but Israel was now a part of those lands. So when the gospel was proclaimed to the Gentiles, it was proclaimed again to Israel.

Israel and the Church are not one in the same now, nor are they intended to be. So the apostle Paul, who happened to be a Jew is a liar.
Galatians 3:27ff For as many of you as were baptized into Christ did put on Christ. There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be no male and female; for ye all are one man in Christ Jesus. And if ye are Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, heirs according to promise.

Romans 9:6 – Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel.
Romans 2:28,29 – For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

We are subject to the Bible, not the other way around, and to twist scripture to fit our own slanted interpretations is to truly play with some serious fire that we would do well NOT to test in the first place.
I would agree wholly with this...it is why we have the NT to dispell the slanted interpretations.

One other thing that this topic brings up, that we should think on: if we are claiming that God will not honor the promises He clearly made to his chosen nation unconditionally, are we not also saying then that we doubt he will keep the promises he made to US unconditionally? That he will not uphold his word and that we do not trust him to keep his word?
God did keep His promise....see what Paul says again: And if ye are Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, heirs according to promise.

Under the same thinking that lies at the heart of "replacement theory", all the sins we committed or ever will commit should have disqualified us from salvation. But here, God promises that he will not lose a single one of us.
This is completely a false premise as God never broke a promise. The ignorance is in the fact that God promised His Son in Genesis 3:15. It was what the OT was about. What was the law? What does Paul say:
What then is the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise hath been made; and it was ordained through angels by the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one; but God is one. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could make alive, verily righteousness would have been of the law.
Now to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ. .
The seed promise is what was given...nothing more nothing less. God fulfilled His promise. Hence the argument concerning God and His promises are foolish.
 

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Ok, this is going to be very unpopular, but I'm going to say it anyway. :)

I think you're all wrong. You're all wrong in the sense that you claim to know exactly what the deal is, when none of you know for sure. You're wrong in the sense that you're so sure that you're right, and you believe that this is important enough to curse at your brothers and sisters who believe differently.

I'll tell you what is really dangerous, not being honestly misinformed, that's not the dangerous thing because God is merciful and He understands if you're wrong about something. What's really dangerous is when you consider the belief in a non-salvation issue more important then loving your own brothers and sisters.

Exact accurate knowledge is NOT the most important thing. It is NOT what you will be judged on when you die. It is NOT what will get you into heaven. Has everyone forgotten that Satan knows more then any of you concerning God, Israel and the Bible?????????? That FACT has not been lost on me.

And yet you continue to argue, bicker, cause bad feelings, cast judgment among others in Christ?????? Yes, Satan is laughing at all of you because he has managed to weasel his way into your hearts and minds concerning being right and egos.

Do you not know that not one person here knows the full mind of God? Do you not know that through GRACE you will be saved and not knowledge?????????? Do you not know that humility and love will save you, not pride and facts that you think you know???????

Have you missed the entire Gospel of Christ Jesus?????? Did He spend His entire life teaching about HISTORICAL FACTS or LOVE & HUMILITY? Which is it people?????????

This is a prime example of why I shun the christian churches today. I can't deal with this kind of thinking from my own brothers and sisters. The lack of love is amazing, facts & theology are more important then love & humility and that just boggles my mind. I can only imagine what God thinks. Very sad indeed.

What God chooses to do with Israel is HIS business, not yours, you have no say in it either way. The ONLY thing that should matter to every body here is your own salvation, bringing others to Christ, and your own heart condition because time and time again, Jesus told us that is what matters, that is what HE will judge you on. A humble and loving Christ like person would not continue to beat someone over the head with this non issue. A humble and loving person would seek peace and avoid further conflict and strife and change the subject and focus on something that would bring glory to God and lift up other believers and unbelievers too as that is the important issue for Christians.

Just remember people, if you are going to use facts to judge people on, you had better be sure that you get your facts right because Matthew 7:2 says "For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged."

So, now are historical facts still that important to you? Or are you going to take the council of Jesus Himself and show love, grace and understanding to others and hope that God will show you the same grace, love and understanding to YOU when you stand before His Holy judgment throne someday?
 
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If you love someone will you not give them truth? Truth is not relative to what someone believes. Truth is exactly what it is...truth. Can there be those who will be damned because they have been mislead and believed a lie? If so, then what favors of Christian love have we really given or shown them? Any Christian forum/church/gathering/group that will sacrifice truth for peace keeping or any other reason is not worthy of it's namesake. Spirited argument must not be confused with condemnation. No one here has said...if you continue to believe this you are going to hell. Without condemnation is there really judgment? No not really, so we are back to the spirited argument. For Jesus, there was a Zealot & a tax collector. You don't suppose the camp was always quiet....
 

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If you love someone will you not give them truth? Truth is not relative to what someone believes. Truth is exactly what it is...truth. Can there be those who will be damned because they have been mislead and believed a lie? If so, then what favors of Christian love have we really given or shown them? Any Christian forum/church/gathering/group that will sacrifice truth for peace keeping or any other reason is not worthy of it's namesake. Spirited argument must not be confused with condemnation. No one here has said...if you continue to believe this you are going to hell. Without condemnation is there really judgment? No not really, so we are back to the spirited argument. For Jesus, there was a Zealot & a tax collector. You don't suppose the camp was always quiet....

Actually, here SG, I agree with you!!
 

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If we believe the dreck of replacement theory, - Chimney


Are you a Messianic Jew, Karen.....or have been around any Jewish people? I almost fell off my chair! Love it! Shalom:)

No, I'm not a messianic Jew, but the Lord has given me a love for His chosen people. And the "article" that I posted was written by a friend named Robert who isn't a messianic Jew either but has also been given a love for the Jews as well. (and yes, I worked with messianic Jews for several years.)
 

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What I love??? That we are all here and not calling each other names...that we have passion about a very serious issue. When Israel was disobedient, King Nebuchadnezzer led Israel captive and built a great nation upon the backs of God's chosen race. God allowed it, but Nebuchadnezzer became proud and said that he the king had done it all. Bad thing...the king had not recognized that God was truly the one that had allowed it to happen to teach his chosen people a lesson. The king suffered greatly because of his arrogance.

Daniel 4
Seven times will pass by for you until you acknowledge that the Most High is sovereign over all kingdoms on earth and gives them to anyone he wishes. 26 The command to leave the stump of the tree with its roots means that your kingdom will be restored to you when you acknowledge that Heaven rules. 27 Therefore, Your Majesty, be pleased to accept my advice: Renounce your sins by doing what is right, and your wickedness by being kind to the oppressed. It may be that then your prosperity will continue.”

My belief is that there is a thread woven throughout the bible that continually shows God's sovereignty, wisdom and divine plan, but mostly his grace and mercy. We cannot ignore his graciousness and mercy to us all, nor forget that it was through his divine plan with his chosen people that we the Gentiles have recieved his mercy. There will be judgement for those that will divide Israel because that is also part of his divine plan.

Joel 3
The Nations Judged
1 “In those days and at that time,
when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will gather all nations
and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat.
There I will put them on trial
for what they did to my inheritance, my people Israel,
because they scattered my people among the nations
and divided up my land.
3 They cast lots for my people
and traded boys for prostitutes;
they sold girls for wine to drink.
4 “Now what have you against me, Tyre and Sidon and all you regions of Philistia? Are you repaying me for something I have done? If you are paying me back, I will swiftly and speedily return on your own heads what you have done. 5 For you took my silver and my gold and carried off my finest treasures to your temples.[c] 6 You sold the people of Judah and Jerusalem to the Greeks, that you might send them far from their homeland.

7 “See, I am going to rouse them out of the places to which you sold them, and I will return on your own heads what you have done. 8 I will sell your sons and daughters to the people of Judah, and they will sell them to the Sabeans, a nation far away.” The LORD has spoken.

9 Proclaim this among the nations:
Prepare for war!
Rouse the warriors!
Let all the fighting men draw near and attack.
10 Beat your plowshares into swords
and your pruning hooks into spears.
Let the weakling say,
“I am strong!”
11 Come quickly, all you nations from every side,
and assemble there.

Bring down your warriors, LORD!

12 “Let the nations be roused;
let them advance into the Valley of Jehoshaphat,
for there I will sit
to judge all the nations on every side.
13 Swing the sickle,
for the harvest is ripe.
Come, trample the grapes,
for the winepress is full
and the vats overflow—
so great is their wickedness!”

14 Multitudes, multitudes
in the valley of decision!
For the day of the LORD is near
in the valley of decision.
15 The sun and moon will be darkened,
and the stars no longer shine.
16 The LORD will roar from Zion
and thunder from Jerusalem;
the earth and the heavens will tremble.
But the LORD will be a refuge for his people,
a stronghold for the people of Israel.

Blessings for God’s People
17 “Then you will know that I, the LORD your God,
dwell in Zion, my holy hill.
Jerusalem will be holy;
never again will foreigners invade her.
18 “In that day the mountains will drip new wine,
and the hills will flow with milk;
all the ravines of Judah will run with water.
A fountain will flow out of the LORD’s house
and will water the valley of acacias.[d]
19 But Egypt will be desolate,
Edom a desert waste,
because of violence done to the people of Judah,
in whose land they shed innocent blood.
20 Judah will be inhabited forever
and Jerusalem through all generations.
21 Shall I leave their innocent blood unavenged?
No, I will not.”

The LORD dwells in Zion!
 
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I knew it! You provided me a very big smile on my face, Sister. Yes, I know that word very well, and having lost my father 3 1/2 years ago, and yesterday was his birthday, (he would have been 99....he had great genes) you gave me a warm fuzzy. Thank you!!!

This household supports Israel and her people, and most churches I know do as well. I think the mission from John Hagee's church is definitely inspired by Almighty God. I also support Jews for Jesus, a wonderful organization where you can learn a great deal through their newsletters. You can designate your donation's destination, including Israel. I've even written P.M. Benjamin Netanyahu via the Israel Embassy in Washington. I don't want to go into politics, here on this forum. Thank you, Karen, for loving and supporting people and their freedom that is not only extremely close to God's heart but my heart as well. Shalom Sister.



No, I'm not a messianic Jew, but the Lord has given me a love for His chosen people. And the "article" that I posted was written by a friend named Robert who isn't a messianic Jew either but has also been given a love for the Jews as well. (and yes, I worked with messianic Jews for several years.)
 

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The leaders of Israel are 100% dead wrong. I don't give a flying fig nugget what God does to Israel or when he does it. It's not for us to know or care about. He will do what he wants when he wants. In the mean time are we seriously supposed to support a nation ruled by people who would rather kill their neighbors than live in peace with them? Is that what Jesus taught us to do? Did he say KILL YOUR NEIGHBOR?

I don't believe that Jesus would have no compasion for the Palestinians. I don't believe that a true Christian would ever believe that it was ok to do what the nation of Israel has done to the Palestinian people. I don't believe for one second that any of you are a true Christian if you support the actions of the leaders of Israel. They murder people!!!!!! They murder their neighbors!!!!! They bulldoze their houses and urinate on their belongings. They treat the Palestinians like dogs. Is this Christian? Is it really OK to give them a pass on this because you guys have tried to guess what is in Gods mind? God is going to do what he wants when he wants to, and none of the dates or times are for you or I to ever know. If he wanted you to know he would have come straight out and said it. One of the things he did say was, YOU SHALL NOT KILL!!! YOU SHALL NOT STEAL!!!!! Well that is exactly what the leaders of Israel have done and continue to do.

Yes, someday Israel will take it's place in history. However, it's not for you or I to know when. It could be Ten Thousand Years from now or it could be Tomorrow. But you my brothers and sisters are supposed to support God and Jesus. So ask yourself one simple question. Would Jesus support a person who thinks it's fine to kill his neighbors???? I know he would love them, but would he encourage them?

You need to say "Thy will be done." not "When will thy will be done?"
 
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Whoa, Brad. That's rather hateful, don't you think? Whether you believe or not that the Jews are God's chosen people, makes no difference in the fact that they are. It has been shown Scripturally, so you take this hateful stance to the One who said it. I wouldn't recommend that you argue with God, because you will lose. I can say that from personal experience. Shalom.
 

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Whoa, Brad. That's rather hateful, don't you think? Whether you believe or not that the Jews are God's chosen people, makes no difference in the fact that they are. It has been shown Scripturally, so you take this hateful stance to the One who said it. I wouldn't recommend that you argue with God, because you will lose. I can say that from personal experience. Shalom.

Hateful???? What is hateful about telling the truth??
 

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Hateful???? What is hateful about telling the truth??

First, you need to make sure that what you are saying IS the truth and not the propaganda put out by the "Palestinians".
If you follow the news in Israel, Israel retaliates for rockets sent in civilian areas by the "Palestinians". That there are more Palestinians killed in these incursions is because either a) the Palis couldn't hit the broadside of a barn :laugh: or b) God is protecting His chosen people. A couple of months ago, the Palis cried out because a dozen people were injured and a couple of people when the IDF hit a house in Gaza. What they didn't mention is that the "house" that was hit was being used to store ammunition while they made the family STAY there! I mention reports from Israel because you won't get news reports here in this country that aren't biased. They believe that peace will come to the middle east if Israel gives her land to a government formed by terrorist----AND they believe that because if they don't say that they believe it, people will start blowing up things here!
 

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Just want to point out. While the Jews are God's chosen people, He has rarely "always approved" of what they were doing. But their wrong doing doesn't change that fact that they are God's chosen. So we have seen the leadership in many nations, cultures and religions stray from the excepted norm and always have.

We don't respect Israel because of their ability to "do it right". We respect Israel because of God's choice of them. That does not mean that you have to like what each of them are doing. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that some Jews are ashamed of how some Jews act... So?

God is not finished with Israel.
 
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