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Xaiver

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Well we all know what happened to the militant smokers (banned everywhere) being a militant vapor is just asking for it.

Also isn't there some nicotine in the exhaled vapor? That is my question of the day.

From what I've read and understand, the majority of the nicotine is absorbed through the soft tissue in your mouth. What hits your lungs is essentially vaporized glycol/glycerine/water. What is exhaled is the same, depending on how long you hold it. I've noticed that if I hold it longer than a second, the cloud isn't very impressive.

Oh, fun fact. One day I was bored and finished drinking one of those glass bottles of starbucks vanilla capiccino (sp?) and filled the bottle with vapor. I thought "Cool! I can have a bottle of vapor" but it was not to be. The bottle was filled with clear air inside of 5 minutes. I looked away and was talking to someone and then looked back and it was empty. Sad panda.

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I personally don't vape indoors except at home or in my car. I work as a caregiver with elderly people and most of them would never remember what it is so it's not worth it. As far as in public places I'm usually on a mission not there for enjoyment (hate grocery shopping) so I get in and out as fast as I can no time to even think about vaping. But at the same time I figure if I could go without a cig at work, shopping, out to dinner or spending time with my family then I can go without vaping too. Over thanksgiving I barely vaped at all. My family just thinks I don't smoke anymore they have no clue about my PV.

I have to agree with arguing with people it really isn't worth it and it looks bad for the rest of the community. We are trying to keep this legal and it only takes 1 person to ruin things for everyone else. Keep that in mind when you are using your PV and you love it so much and you're so happy you don't smoke anymore.

Just my :2c:

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For those who are not aware, juice made with 100% pg is much better for stealth vaping. Hold that in for 2 or 3 seconds and there is no vapor at all. Trust me. I do it all the time at school. And I live in a society where even smoking is acceptable almost anywhere. In the USA, and most western countries, it's probably better to have a bit more tact, and don't be blatant about it. Then again, let's face it, our ultimate goal should be that vaping is accepted as perfectly normal behaviour in virtually all situations, just like smoking was a few decades ago. Again, common sense and courtesy is crucial.
 

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Reminds me of the last time I went to San Francisco and ducked around the corner into an alley to enjoy a smoke. At the far end were a couple of crackheads doing their thing. It was funny and a little scary to be in the same place and I was glad they had better things to do than mug me.
Next time I go I believe I will practise stealth vaping out on the street corner. :2cool:
 

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Indeed the inhaler idea would be awesome! I go around blowing in peoples faces everywhere bc they can't do anything about it haha. But I only got hassled in restaurants, Starbucks, libraries, and bars are safe havens for ecigs

Wow.....:blink:

That's a great way to win people over :unsure:
 

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QFT. You aren't going to win any sympathizers throwing them into a charged/antagonistic situation by vaping in their non-smoking establishment. Seriously, if you are indignant that business owners would be taken aback by your described actions, you are blind to reality, or just looking for an argument to prove your point.

I haven't gotten to the point that I feel comfortable vaping where previously smoking isn't allowed. I assume nothing.

Some of the attitudes that I read about here on this forum remind me a lot of the attitudes that make me cringe in the reptile world. In case you haven't followed the link in my signature, I breed ball pythons. I don't flaunt my animals, or take them out in public and walk around with them just because people with dogs can do it, so why can't I?

It's calling knowing what you're up against. There are people that would love to ban my right to keep my snakes, because they don't understand them, or they are scared of them and can't understand why ANYONE would want to keep a snake. There are actually a lot of people who are allergic to dogs and cats that find that a reptile makes a nice pet.

But I'm not going to force my animals on any one. There are forums where I can go and talk to others that share my passion, just like this forum for vaping fans. There are reptile shows around the country almost every weekend that I can attend and share my animals in an appropriate setting. There are herp societies where I can also share my love of ball pythons with other enthusiasts. But we always have the indignant new herp keeper who feels offended that someone may not share their love and admiration for these beautiful creatures, who feels that their snake should be allowed to go anywhere that someone's dog could go - even if it frightens someone. Their comeback? "Well, their dog scares me, why should I be exposed to that?"

People - we're fighting PETA and the HSUS EVERY year in Washington, in order to preserve our rights. Why bring a negative light to it?

I see the same thing here to some degree. Some folks feel "I'm not smoking, I'm vaping, so others need to learn to deal with it." People - we're fighting the government each year in Washington, in order to preserve our rights. Why bring a negative light to it with our negative attitudes? Instead of forcing your new love onto people who don't understand - take the time to educate, but be humble when someone tells you no - you cannot smoke that in here (Yes, I know it's vaping, they don't).

It never killed us to wait to get outside to smoke an analog, I suspect it won't kill me to wait until I get outside to vape. :)
 

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I know you were being sarcastic rabernet, so I will have to agree with you.

Moi? Sarcastic? Facetious?
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In my defense, I was exploring the extent at which i could use my PV. One of the most persuasive arguments in favor for switching to PVs was that you can "smoke" PVs anywhere. It is obvious that if a private business owner told you to stop vaping on their property that you should. It just ticks me off that the hostess had the nerve that after i explained to her that there is no burning substance inside of this device, and it is only the liquid that turns to vapor when it reaches ...cant remember the temp these things run at but that... that produces the clouds that you see, that she still told me it was the same as smoking. The manager was much more considerate as to what i was trying to do, and even commended me on my choice as being better than smoking, however he didnt want me to annoy the other customers. Although it was a friday, at a bar, and the clock hands were approaching 12, i understand that blowing plumes of smoke may make other customers uncomfortable. I also should have clarified in the original post that this incident occurred at the front desk not while i was sitting at the bar. However i believe the only way to increase awareness is to vape in public and not always behind closed doors. you SHOULD be commended for your choice to vape, not condemned just as smokers are. And as for vaping in front of kids, good, they should be seeing you vape, instead of watching you smoke. This way when theyre 16 and wanna look older they vape instead of smoke cigs. Also you can buy juice without nicotine so even if they want to vape and expel clouds they can do so without becoming addicted. I wish i had no nic juice when i was that age, that way i would have never been addicted to this horrible substance known as nicotine. I love to smoke and read/write, some people chew gum, but i smoke to concentrate. There are plenty of studies showing that chewing and mouth movement increases brain activity, but i digress. In the future restaurants will hand out PVs with flavored cartridges that compliment the meal you just ate, or the beer you just sipped, just watch. Of course this future will only happen if the tobacco companies dont get their dirty claws into some legislation that will ban PVs. =). but what are you doing to spread awareness of PVs???? vaping in the shadows and behind closed doors will get nothing changed. Sit ins and boycotts is how African American's enlightened the ignorant to the vast inequalities of America. Lets have a vape pride walk, sit in on business that are unaware of PVs and take America by storm!!

but i do agree with some posters, if you cant go an hour or two without vaping you may have a problem.
 

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-You've been hit for over 9000 by wall-o-text-

I sort of agree with you, Fjg, that we shouldn't be so afraid to use it in public...but, we should use courtesy. I disagree with the part about the kids, not them seeing it, but encouraging it at all should be bad. I would rather have my kids learn to drink with me and all of that other stuff, versus learning from potentially bad people...but...it shouldn't be encouraged.

Also...the Enter button is your friend, please don't be afraid to use it. It was a struggle, at best, to get through your post. :)

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-You've been hit for over 9000 by wall-o-text-

I sort of agree with you, Fjg, that we shouldn't be so afraid to use it in public...but, we should use courtesy. I disagree with the part about the kids, not them seeing it, but encouraging it at all should be bad. I would rather have my kids learn to drink with me and all of that other stuff, versus learning from potentially bad people...but...it shouldn't be encouraged.

Also...the Enter button is your friend, please don't be afraid to use it. It was a struggle, at best, to get through your post. :)

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I disagree with the part about the kids, not them seeing it, but encouraging it at all should be bad. I would rather have my kids learn to drink with me and all of that other stuff, versus learning from potentially bad people...but...it shouldn't be encouraged.

Like drinking coffee, chewing gum, and other relatively harmless stress relieving habits I am uncertain why a parent would actively discourage an older child from vaping nicotine free juices. I would have serious issues if I found my child smoking a cigarette as they are deadly, life sucking and evil. I am actually thinking about getting some yummy nicotine free juice for my wife and teenager to try. Both have taken an interest in my new found hobby and watch jealously as I quaff clouds of chocolate raspberry flavored vapor. If they like it I will order them juices and their own PVs. Nicotine addiction, removed from the rightful negative stigma of directly smoking or using tobacco, should be no more vilified than caffeine addiction in my opinion.
 

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Well, lets face the facts here, Darkstorm. Vaping is relatively new, it's only seen wide-spread use over the last two years-ish. It's effects haven't been studied intensely. Yes, you could say that the military uses PG for smoke-bombs and it's been tested up to a certain PPM, but this is a bit different still.

While we're only talking about the difference between Tomato Juice and Tomato Sauce...there is still a difference. Who's to say that there isn't something bad in certain flavors?

Normally, I wouldn't argue any of this, but I feel that vaping should be looked at similar to how they taught when I was in school about cigarettes...it's a gateway. Is there a good chance that someone that vapes will pick up smoking or other-things? Probably not, but the possibility is still there.

Also....you'd be encouraging a hand-to-mouth addiction, if you want to look at it that way. Which is to say, the anti-smoking community looks at vapers the same as smokers. Do you want your kids to be going through that? Imagine when your teenager comes home from school and tells you that their ProVari got confiscated by the teacher, and will not be able to get it back, plus they're suspended.

Fun!

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Edit: Did I say suspended? Try expelled. My bad. I just remembered a story from my high school from a couple years after I left it. Kid worked in a grocery store, and he was going to work right after school. He left his safety-blade-box-cutter (The things are so safe that they don't even cut boxes, honestly) in the cup-holder, front seat, in his car. Teachers did a car-check and expelled him for bringing a deadly weapon to school.

Do you think that a zero-tolerance policy will care if it's smoke or vapor? I don't.
 
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Edit: Did I say suspended? Try expelled. My bad. I just remembered a story from my high school from a couple years after I left it. Kid worked in a grocery store, and he was going to work right after school. He left his safety-blade-box-cutter (The things are so safe that they don't even cut boxes, honestly) in the cup-holder, front seat, in his car. Teachers did a car-check and expelled him for bringing a deadly weapon to school.

Please tell me that an epic bout of lawyering and media coverage ensued, and that at least one person at that school ultimately had to resign? Killing someone with a pen, scissors or a well-aimed chair would be so much easier than using one of those safety blades.
 

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Please tell me that an epic bout of lawyering and media coverage ensued, and that at least one person at that school ultimately had to resign? Killing someone with a pen, scissors or a well-aimed chair would be so much easier than using one of those safety blades.

I had to laugh at the "well-aimed chair" haha!

There was a kid in my school that got caught bringing a knife to school, however it was under 3 inches (CT state law) and the teachers didn't have the right to search him. They expelled him from school for "possession of a deadly weapon" and "mischievous behavior". He was expelled for 3 years and forced to get his GED instead of a diploma and because of that he couldn't go to the college he wanted (some fancy one of course) and he would never be able to. So he and his parents sued the school for his diploma which he should've earned and the tution for the fancy school + grief money, totalling approximately 1 million dollars. Oh yeah, the teacher that searched him was also forced to resign from teaching in that school.

Personally, I wouldn't really go against any school's policies but if it's over something as trivial as an electronic cigarette (given the student is 18+) the schools shouldn't care about it.

Given the student would technically be carrying a "controlled substance". A can of Coca-Cola is a controlled substance, legally anyways. Then there's always the "Well the can of Coke isn't making the student below out nuclear mushroom clouds out of his mouth" argument. However, if the student does a stealth vape it shouldn't be bothering anyone. It's the same thing as a can of Coke. He brings the object to his mouth, puts it down, takes a breath, waits 15 seconds, exhales... They should just make a Coca-Cola can-mod. HAHA! :p You push the tab down to turn it on, lol! :p

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There was quite a bit of media coverage, but I don't remember anything about a lawsuit or resignations/terminations. (Ha, termination....reminds me of a movie with a certain governor)

As far as 18+ goes, I wasn't really concerned about that, but I was assuming that we were talking about under-18. Either way though, if you're 18 and in high school, you're held the same stigmas that a 17 year old is.

Speaking of that...is Coka-Cola still allowed in schools? From what I understand, they took all the soda machines out and replaced them with juice-dispensers. (hahahahahaha) Besides that, my high school had a pepsi machine when I was a kid...ick.

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