Just placed another 500ml order myself since I missed out the last two times nic was available. 
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Just placed another 500ml order myself since I missed out the last two times nic was available.
I need to get at least one more 500ml bottle (2 if I can swing it) myself Crunk. I've never had any problems ordering from WL.
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Steve
Well sure there is...in fact, boo-coodles of places and they're not really all that difficult to find...but then I think you already knew this
Topics have to be worded just right in order to make a complaint seem like a question for mod-sake
I just made my first order from WL...I ordered Nic, PG, VG...haven't tried any of the three. I did taste a drop of the VG on my finger and my first impression was it's bordering on sickly sweet, it actually tasted like an artificial sweetener to me...much different from the VG that I've been purchasing from bulkapothecary which has a very subtle sweetness, clean with no aftertaste as is present with the WL VG.
All in all, I reckon if you don't know which flavors from TFA or Lorann you like, then WL is as good as any for purchasing small samples...if someone is looking for a vendor that offers a wide selection of flavoring companies...WL isn't it! You're much better off buying directly from the manufacturer or places like RTS Vapes or ecigexpress...this thread took a left turn and ended up being a WL pep-rally instead....sure they're ok for some things but hardly so great in comparison of others to offer up a pledge of allegiance...
Most people start with TFA or LA flavors due to price, availability and ease of working with one flavor line. There is a store near me who uses TFA flavorings purchased from One Stop DIY exclusively and does pretty well for itself. They are far better then much of the crap all the local smoke (not vape) shops are selling. You can make hundreds of flavors and almost anyone can find something they like using 100% TFA flavoring. So in all fairness WL is all the average DIYer actually needs to get the ball rolling. I still prefer mostly TFA flavors and I know a very successful small vendor who uses mostly all CA and FW. While another much larger vendor operates three stores using TFA and a bit of LA here and there. Getting into DIY can be very expensive if you shop somewhere that has to much selection.
Yeah, that's me. But when you fall into this vendor has the best X and this vendor has the best Y, of course you're gonna try Z! It's there. You just gotta.
RTS Vapes is the folks I just placed my DIY purchase with ... fast shipping, great prices and anything you would need.
http://www.rtsvapes.com/
I just looked at RTS they charge $80 for 500ml of 100MG which seems pretty absurd. In fact here is a price list of other well trusted nic sources. I'd never pay a $23 premium for something that may not even be as good as what I already get for much less.
Wizard Labs $57
Nude Nicotine $60
Liquid Nicotine Wholesalers $60
Heartlandvapes $90/liter ($45/500ml)
Wizard Labs $57
Nude Nicotine $60
Liquid Nicotine Wholesalers $60
Heartlandvapes $90/liter ($45/500ml)
where wizard labs gets you is shipping. all their "deals" are made up in shipping cost. havent bought much from them so maybe there is a break somewhere but I just ordered some pg. 250 ml 5.49 ..... sounds like a great deal . shipping cost 6.45. .... puts them within a dollar or 2 from everybody else. maybe i could buy more for a better deal. probably not tho. there shipping goes through the roof on everything. the more you add to that cart the higher it goes. I almost bought 500 ml and some syringes. shipping was going to be 11 dollars. crazy man. couldn't justify it.
RTS price $8.65 + $8.85 for shipping
Nude Nicotine price $6.00 + 9.97 for shipping
Wizard Labs price 5.49 + 5.70 for shipping
Keep in mind shipping costs tend to vary by distance so this is not the same for everyone.
Where do you buy such small amounts of anything with free shipping aside from possibly Amazon Prime?
To my knowledge nobody will ship 250ml or even 500ml of PG for free but maybe I'm wrong. I also believe WL gives the same free shipping deal most everyone else does. But then again we all know it costs nothing for a business to provide bubble wrap, labor and postage. I even pay tax due to being in the same state and yet it's still cheaper for me to shop at WL.
If you want a better deal on VG or PG buy Essential Depot from Amazon or go direct and get a gallon of each to get free shipping.
The wing-nuttery is strong in this thread.
I buy regularly from WL and get professional service, good communication, high quality, and free shipping every time.
So I look at vague complaints like these with more than a little suspicion.
If someone can not articulate what exactly their complaint is.. then that person probably should not be ordering anything online.
And if someone honestly expects to order something that costs less than my lunch and expect free shipping.. they probably should drive to the store instead.
I buy regularly from WL and get professional service, good communication, high quality, and free shipping every time.
So I look at vague complaints like these with more than a little suspicion.
If someone can not articulate what exactly their complaint is.. then that person probably should not be ordering anything online.
And if someone honestly expects to order something that costs less than my lunch and expect free shipping.. they probably should drive to the store instead.
This is gonna get like a "why ProVari is the best" thread soon....
Haha...funny stuff...Some folks seems to think XYZ Vendor is the absolute best because they placed an order and XYZ Vendor shipped it to them... for flavors, if you are wanting to buy small samples of TFA and LorAnn then by all means, buy them from WL....if you want/need to buy FlavourArt, Hangsen, Inawera, FW etc...eruh you gon be S.O.L
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I don't think there is any one absolutely THE BEST vendor out there. We all have our own preferences and thoughts about what makes for a great transaction. Each person builds loyalties over time with certain vendors. I think it's great we have so many vendors to turn to. Don't like one, go to a different one. We may not have that luxury forever though.
My stated experiences were just that.... stated experiences. I like dealing with WL, but know they aren't the only ones out there and if I'm really unhappy, I can go somewhere else. But I most likely won't. I'll continue to time my orders so I'm not out of something and looking out the window for the mailman....
Couple of FYIs:
1. Wizard Labs has free shipping on orders $65 and above.
2. Though we haven't done business, Heartland guys said it's one-day shipping to Texas. They're in Oklahoma, so may also be true for surrounding states. And, from experience, their "HY4" is tasty and sweet.
1. Wizard Labs has free shipping on orders $65 and above.
2. Though we haven't done business, Heartland guys said it's one-day shipping to Texas. They're in Oklahoma, so may also be true for surrounding states. And, from experience, their "HY4" is tasty and sweet.
Im not disagreeing about wizard labs being excellent in customer service. nice packaging etc. like I said I just bought PG from them.thats all i get there tho because I can find better deals else where like nic in amber glass bottles where wizard labs doesnt do and they dont tell you what flavors have the "bad stuff" in it even tho there is a wealth of information out there. the new mixers dont have the foggiest clue because everyone on ecf is dead hooked on WL. I have a cabinet full of TFA from WL I wont use now that I know better and when you think about it is disappointing because there is no reason a company that is so well thought of by many isnt really that concerned or could easily put warning on the TFA flavors. money wasted. but their shipping is ridiculous in my opinion and once you do the math everywhere they are within a few bucks of everyone else. Ive been happy with what I do get from WL I just dont think they are this "holy grail" everyone makes it out to be.
Agree wllmc...but if they did that, their TFA/TPA sales would begin to plummet as more and more people get informed and/or concerned with inhaling...your words "bad stuff" ...they've kinda painted theirself into a corner with their oh so limited selection of flavor manufacturers...and it appears to me that folks that have been mixing any length of time think very little of LorAnn flavorings...so what are they left with? Nic!
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