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Crunktanium

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they dont tell you what flavors have the "bad stuff" in it even tho there is a wealth of information out there. the new mixers dont have the foggiest clue because everyone on ecf is dead hooked on WL.

Can you point me to which vendors sell TFA (some even rebrand it.. talk about shady) or don't and warn you not to use it?

Just curious and btw it's not the drug stores responsibility to warn you about drugs in their pharmacy which might kill you. It's the manufacturer or doctors job to warn you of the "KNOWN" dangers or risks. And while the pharmacist might tell you if you ask they sure wont solicit that bit of info outright or even suggest you not take a dangerous drug.

But what John (WL) will tell you as he has done with me is that some of these trace elements are so small it's unlikely to ever be a problem. Nobody has died or become sick from TFA that I'm aware of. Although I do know someone who developed water in his lungs while vaping Blu's with the flu. His doctor said it was likely caused by ecig's but the fact is the doctor could only guess. It's all a guessing game nobody knows the long term effects with anything related to vaping as with cigarettes 80 years ago.

And no not everyone on ECF is a sheep as you might think we are. I have spent hours talking to John face to face about this very subject at great length. I've even seen the lab where they process nic and can tell you flat out it's not just about money. His wife wanted to throw me out in fact because they are very conservative people and I just the opposite. But I respect her just the same and they are very nice people who have in fact bent over backwards for me.

So if you really believe that the people behind WL care nothing for the health of customers you are very wrong. If WL wanted to boost profits they would sell everything under the sun. John and his staff also vape the very same dangerous (opinion not yet proven) flavorings they sell. So I guess he wont be around long enough to enjoy all the profit he made by caring less and killing his bread and butter.
 

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Can you point me to which vendors sell TFA (some even rebrand it.. talk about shady) or don't and warn you not to use it?

Just curious and btw it's not the drug stores responsibility to warn you about drugs in their pharmacy which might kill you. It's the manufacturer or doctors job to warn you of the "KNOWN" dangers or risks. And while the pharmacist might tell you if you ask they sure wont solicit that bit of info outright or even suggest you not take a dangerous drug.

But what John (WL) will tell you as he has done with me is that some of these trace elements are so small it's unlikely to ever be a problem. Nobody has died or become sick from TFA that I'm aware of. Although I do know someone who developed water in his lungs while vaping Blu's with the flu. His doctor said it was likely caused by ecig's but the fact is the doctor could only guess. It's all a guessing game nobody knows the long term effects with anything related to vaping as with cigarettes 80 years ago.

And no not everyone on ECF is a sheep as you might think we are. I have spent hours talking to John face to face about this very subject at great length. I've even seen the lab where they process nic and can tell you flat out it's not just about money. His wife wanted to throw me out in fact because they are very conservative people and I just the opposite. But I respect her just the same and they are very nice people who have in fact bent over backwards for me.

So if you really believe that the people behind WL care nothing for the health of customers you are very wrong. If WL wanted to boost profits they would sell everything under the sun. John and his staff also vape the very same dangerous (opinion not yet proven) flavorings they sell. So I guess he wont be around long enough to enjoy all the profit he made by caring less and killing his bread and butter.

Lol 10-4 man. It's all good 6 of one half a dozen of the other.


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I just looked at RTS they charge $80 for 500ml of 100MG which seems pretty absurd. In fact here is a price list of other well trusted nic sources. I'd never pay a $23 premium for something that may not even be as good as what I already get for much less.

Wizard Labs $57
Nude Nicotine $60
Liquid Nicotine Wholesalers $60
Heartlandvapes $90/liter ($45/500ml)

E-Liquid Mart---$62.99 500ml Free Shipping
 

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I use ejuice4u.com for nic. 500ml 100mg nic 81.80 minus the 15% off code they post on the website every month takes 12.27 off plus 5.99 flat rate shipping on everything comes to 75.52 in the same packaging as WL except you get it amber glass . wizard labs is 56.99 plus 10.25 shipping comes to 67.24 ...... so a difference of 8.28....... a few bucks. was going to try a smaller amount to compare but WL is infamously "out of stock" all the time. ............. thats what drove me from WL. "out of stock" every time I tried putting an order together half the stuff I wanted was out of stock. WL is a good company its just my preference to order elsewhere. there is no right or wrong place to order as long as YOU are happy with what you receive. Im not always looking for the best deal just the best experience. if what I want is always in stock and shipped to my house in 2-3 days in glass which is what I prefer then Im more than willing to pay more. that doesnt make my opinion right or wrong. opinions are like you know what. everyone has one lol... no harm meant in this I dont even know why I chimed in here ha . its all preference get what you like where you like .
 

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I can understand people get frustrated as WL is frequently out of stock. But it's certainly not because they are doing something wrong or trying to poison anyone with hazardous flavoring. There is a ton of demand as the industry continues to grow and it will only get bigger over the next few years.

I do get attached to a vendor that has done me right every time to some degree. But I also buy TFA in 4oz sizes from OSDIY along with other flavoring WL does not offer. If they could match the quality of WL nic at comparable price i'd certainly use them for nic too when WL was unavailable. However for me personally I like to build a relationship with a business I trust and reward them for doing me right. I have customers who do the same with me and without their loyalty I could not afford to pay my mortgage.
 

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Read through the entire and many people made good points. The most entertaining for me was through all the back & forth banter, then posts by PaulHBC. So it went, banter, banter, point made, observation, comment, (Paul) placed an order, banter banter, point, point, banter, comment, etc., (Paul) Shipment soon, banter point banter comment, (Paul) Shipment arrived. Sry, it just amused me. :)
 

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Unflavored Nic Liquid - MyFreedomSmokes.com

Ive heard good things about my freedom smokes nic liquid.

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Haha...that's according to who you ask...if you check out the Nicotine Comparison thread there are a few who don't have anything good to say about their Nic or MFS...I' see no problem with MFS nic. I've been completely satisfied...
 

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The only thing I do wonder is why WL seems to be the only one always sold out of nic?

I know other places are often out of certain flavorings but never nic. And this is why I actually chose WL when starting out because it seems they are constantly getting fresh supply. Where as I have seen nic from other places that was already partly oxidized out the gate.

Considering I have kept WL nic on my desk for weeks after breaking it down sometimes and it's still crystal clear when I go to mix. Which makes me believe that some other places just don't have the turnover to ensure freshness. I wont mention any names because I'm not trying to bash anyone in saying this. And putting a use by label seems like a great thing. But is that expiration based on the day they cut it or the day the shipment arrived or...? I know some vendors date based on the day they mix juice but the nic itself could potentially be half a decade old.
 

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The only thing I do wonder is why WL seems to be the only one always sold out of nic?

I know other places are often out of certain flavorings but never nic. And this is why I actually chose WL when starting out because it seems they are constantly getting fresh supply. Where as I have seen nic from other places that was already partly oxidized out the gate.

Considering I have kept WL nic on my desk for weeks after breaking it down sometimes and it's still crystal clear when I go to mix. Which makes me believe that some other places just don't have the turnover to ensure freshness. I wont mention any names because I'm not trying to bash anyone in saying this. And putting a use by label seems like a great thing. But is that expiration based on the day they cut it or the day the shipment arrived or...? I know some vendors date based on the day they mix juice but the nic itself could potentially be half a decade old.

Heartland posts their nicotine COA and MSDS on the order page for all to see.
 

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WL does it right for me.

I kinda believe that the reason they are out of stock on some items sometimes is because they sold them. I believe they sold them to customers that tried them, liked them - both the products and the company - and ordered again and again.

This reminds me of a few years back when I asked my girlfriend if she wanted to go to a certain restaurant. She said "no, nobody goes there anymore - it's always just too crowded".
 

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I was just earlier hunting around on some of the mentioned alternate sites and found they were out of nic stock as well, BUT they did offer a vastly larger range of flavor companies as well as larger sized bottles of the specific flavors I've been buying. The nic at WL has been suggested to me for so very long before I began DIY, and I've been happy with it so will likely continue to purchase it as needed from them. May shop around a bit on the flavorings though and "play the field" a little, especially on larger sizes I know I'll need a lot of.

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