Wizard Labs is still down!! Any other suggestions?
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Try Xtreme vaping (XTR). Not cheap but excellent quality. Even at XTR price I still save a huge bundle compared to smoking.
I don't believe they use coupon codes. Someone correct me if im wrong, please
I personally will only shop at WL because I trust their products and support - they have been absolutely phenomenal for me and have superb products. This is nothing I haven't read this countless times now from so many others here.
In all honesty, RTS products are OK IMO, but I am completely sided with ninfreak in that regard. I am grateful for RTS letting me know about WL however.
Wizard Labs nic may also be obtained from High Desert if you'd prefer to stick with nic you know and love already I believe it is the regular, not Ice (my personal favorite). FWIW, I do NOT believe WL is USA made (RTS is, and that's obviously important to some people for whatever their reasons). The Ultra Pure is made in India.
In all honesty, RTS products are OK IMO, but I am completely sided with ninfreak in that regard. I am grateful for RTS letting me know about WL however.
Wizard Labs nic may also be obtained from High Desert if you'd prefer to stick with nic you know and love already
I believe it is the regular, not Ice (my personal favorite). FWIW, I do NOT believe WL is USA made (RTS is, and that's obviously important to some people for whatever their reasons). The Ultra Pure is made in India.Wolcen, Where is High Desert located?
edit: Nevermind, I found it.
edit: Nevermind, I found it.
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http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo.../291763-do-you-vape-juice-china-only-usa.html
Yes, it seems RTS nic is Made in the USA.
I didn't realize it till now, but i ended this thread...maybe for the best. I think if it could have been shown otherwise, it probably would have been in this thread.
Regardless where your nic is made, if it is USP that indicates it is manufactured under the proper manufacturing processes in a suitable environment and passes the relevant assays. That said, I believe all suppliers should be keeping their current batch's analysis on their site, and very few actually do.
I will always be grateful to the Chinese for inventing ecigs in the first place.
I will always be grateful to the Chinese for inventing ecigs in the first place.
But, Herbert A Gilbert invented it in 1963. It has a patent in 1965.
I would give a link but me computer dumb.....just got in 2009.......and figuring it all out takes time.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/clearomizers/359191-kanger-knockoffs.html
There is a link in here.
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There is a link in here.
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http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...264775-who-invented-electronic-cigarette.html
From PENNSYLVANIA no less, WOW
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From PENNSYLVANIA no less, WOW
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I don't really care who gets credit, as long as the FDA doesn't cause a problem for us. So many big issues on the plate, but they seem to be concerned with the small stuff. Don't forget, drugs that can kill and maim are approved. Go figure.
Wow. OK then. So it was an idea WAY ahead of its time? How did I miss that this?
Am I not alone in thinking how much of an bleeping shame that is? We might be more concerned today about population than certain health issues.
The horror! Good thing we averted that disaster.
Am I not alone in thinking how much of an bleeping shame that is? We might be more concerned today about population than certain health issues.
The horror! Good thing we averted that disaster.
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Thanks wolcen,
I knew he was first, but I didn't know he was from Beaver Falls, Pa.....until today........60 miles north of me. Been up there many times and next time, I'll look to see what remains of Gilbert Iron and Steel.
I knew he was first, but I didn't know he was from Beaver Falls, Pa.....until today........60 miles north of me. Been up there many times and next time, I'll look to see what remains of Gilbert Iron and Steel.
Sorry to interrupt your thread, but this claim makes me crazy!
Herbert Gilbert's "Smokeless Non-tobacco Cigarette" has nothing in common with Hon Lok's invention other than the shape, a battery, a mouthpiece and a flavored liquid cartridge. They are otherwise completely different designs that produce very different results: Patent US3200819 - SMOKELESS NON-TOBACCO CIGARETTE - Google PatentsGilbert's design had a moistened filter cartridge at the opposite end of the mouthpiece saturated with a flavored liquid. The air was pulled through the cartridge, where it theoretically picked up the flavor and some moisture, then it traveled along channels around a tubular light bulb, where it was warmed. There was no on/off switch. The device was activated whenever the battery in the mouthpiece was connected to the tube containing the light bulb. There was no vapor created. From what I can tell, the effect would be something akin to putting food flavoring in a cup of hot water and sucking the steam coming off of it through a straw.
As we all know, the modern e-cigarette Hon Lok invented actually heats the liquid solution and converts it into a visible vapor. That is very different from warm, flavored, slightly humidified air.
I know it makes people feel proud or something to think an American first invented the e-cigarette decades ago, but calling Gilbert's invention the "first electronic cigarette" is like calling the Wright brothers' airplane the first jet plane. The attempt to give Gilbert the credit just seems a little too xenophobic to me. (Not the folks in this thread, I mean those who started the claim a couple of years ago.
) Hon Lok definitely deserves the credit he has been given. 
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Yes, but one has to consider the technology advancements from over 4 decades. What if we were still using 60's computers? They didn't have e-cig batteries back then capable of the same achievements. Computers back then used punch cards, now we have SDD's. It was amazing at one time, how a computer could fit in a single room.
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Sorry to interrupt your thread, but this claim makes me crazy!
I know it makes people feel proud or something
Doesn't look like an electronic cig too me.
I hear what you're saying, but while they have the same basic premise, the way they go about solving the problem is still very different. They may not have had sensor chips and lithium batteries in the 60's, but they did have propylene glycol. Gilbert designed a device that warmed and moistened air rather than one that heated a liquid into a vapor.
To use the same Wright brothers analogy, many people had designed and built airplanes long before the Wright brothers, but the Wright brothers used and improved upon those designs to "invent" the airplane that worked. That is what evolved into what we have today. So, they got credit for inventing it, rather than those who designed the airplanes on which the brothers had based their design.
Based on that standard, Hon Lok is the inventor of our e-cigarettes, because he came up with a design that worked and became accepted by consumers. He created the first e-cigarette that vaporized a liquid and all modern e-cigarettes are based on that concept, not on the concept of warm, humid air. Would e-cigarettes have been so popular today if all they did was create warm, flavored air?
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I doubt that Hon Lik even seen Gilbert's patent. Being that he was a pharmacist on the other side of the world. The invention belongs to Hon.
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