Wizards lab NIC just about blew my head off

[FinallyQuit]

Define bad?

I had a bottle out of the freezer, in the hot/cold/dry/humid conditions that occur in my house, for over a year. Other than turning a mild orange color the taste and odor are the same as the stuff in the freezer. Per John at Wizard Labs it is perfectly safe to use even though the color changed, due to exposure to heat and light. This was 36 mg nic in pg, kept in a glass bottle in my mixing box, that I abandoned for over a year.

It has a strong taste and smells like tobacco. I would expect it to, since nicotine is extracted from tobacco. I will use it in my tobacco mixes.

Long story short, nic out of the freezer didn't go bad for over a year. Nic in the freezer could last much longer. . .

 

[seamor512]

I have a 120 ml bottle of 60mg that is in its plastic container it came with sitting in in a room temp cabinet and closed...I only vape at 6mg so thats 1 ml per 10 ml bottle, so not very much at all. Just wondering if I need to move it.

 

[Kemosabe]

madvapes did a nic concentration over time study. you lose 1mg/ml every month to few months depending on how much light, heat, and air your nic base receives. check it out:

Nicotine Concentration Over Time / Mad Vapes Blog

 

[xpackaday]

I just went to wizards lab to get some nic. They are out of stock on all sizes of 100 mg. What up???

 

[bace a flunt]

I just opened a bottle of wizards lab NIC I bought about 3 months ago. Upon receiving it I put it in the freezer unopened. I cracked it open last night and proceeded to mix. I steeped my usual mix and tasted it. It nearly blew my head off the throat hit was so strong. I looked at the color of the NIC and it's nice and clear so I got out my trusty test kit. 98.5ml nic content. So that is good as it was susposed to be 100ml. So I got a nice clean clearo and sampled my 75/25 24ml NIC base and wow major throat hit and also has a light tobacco after taste. Mixed a new base of 50/50 24ml and same throat hit and tobacco taste. Mixed 18ml NIC slightly less throat hit and still a trace of tobacco taste. What is up with wizard labs. I've herd this was happening to other recent buyers.

I've had the same experience.

 

[xpackaday]

I keep my nic in the basement. Always 70 degrees F and below, almost always dark, and in brown glass bottles. How long do you think the shelf live is?

 

[dannyv45]

Now might be a good time to drop your Nicotine Level

Yep just dropped it to 1.8

 

[dannyv45]

I use a different supplier but, I do use 100 mg PG, and yes freezing it does affect steeping unless you take what you need for the mix out a few hours early and let it come to room temp before mixing. I take out what I am going to use the night before and put it in my smaller bottle in the cabinet to warm before mixing.

That's exactly what I did. I let it naturally thaw to room temp before opening and mixing my base.

 

[xpackaday]

will it harm it by freezing, thawing, re-freezing??? I'm asking this because, i'm think of order 500 ml and will have it a long time. I seen the price 2x increase in the last 12 months.

 

[Kemosabe]

I keep my nic in the basement. Always 70 degrees F and below, almost always dark, and in brown glass bottles. How long do you think the shelf live is?

in that environment, you'll lose somewhere in the ballpark of 1mg/ml every 4-5 months. adjust your eliquid calculator accordingly and you should be all set.

will it harm it by freezing, thawing, re-freezing??? I'm asking this because, i'm think of order 500 ml and will have it a long time. I seen the price 2x increase in the last 12 months.

the best route IMO for large bottles of nic is to break them down into smaller bottles right away. so if youve got 500ml, I'd make ten 50ml bottles. or perhaps twenty 25ml bottles, depending on how much nic you use at a time. usplastics has good prices on glass bottles, personally i'd stockup on amber boston round bottles, 30ml. get a case of them and you'll be set. that way once youre all broken down into small bottles, you just grab one from the freezer the night before you plan to mix, and that will be your room temp bottle. make small enough bottles so you dont have to worry about putting it back in the freezer. keep that one out until used up, then repeat the process.

 

[nnote]

I guess I'm failing to see exactly what problem the OP had?

 

[dannyv45]

The problem I had was although it was clear and NIC content was correct it was so harsh it made me hack my brains out. It also had a noticable tobacco taste. Far stronger then anything I've bought from them or anywhere else before. I reduced the base to 18 and it's better but I think I still need to reduce the base a little more.

 

[xpackaday]

I like the idea of breaking it down into smaller bottles. Can not have the nic changing, too much work calculating.

Eliquid calculator?? Mental math for me, that's what I like about 100 mg/ml easy to work out in the head.
Use a graduated cylinder:
- start off with the nic and flavor added with syringe for accuracy,
- Account for the the vg/pg in the nic and flavor,
- Add pg/vg/h20 until you reach the line for the amount of ejuice and pg/vg mix you are making, which for me is normally 100ml for easy math.

Small batches, I do the mental math, but check my work with a pencil and paper.

 

[crxess]

For the Noobs/less informed
Wizard labs works everything up by hand and uses extreme caution to produce best possible product results.
They are extremely popular and sell out FAST. They also restock supplies FAST and are rarely out of anything for more than a few days.
Their recent move has caused some additional peaks and dips in supply while training new associates and filling waiting orders. Things are starting to settle into a more normal operational pattern.

 

[White Rabbit]

For the Noobs/less informed

They are extremely popular and sell out FAST. They also restock supplies FAST and are rarely out of anything for more than a few days.
Their recent move has caused some additional peaks and dips in supply while training new associates and filling waiting orders. Things are starting to settle into a more normal operational pattern.

And there lies the problem. They already lost me as a customer because many, many times I go to order, they are OUT of this or that. Yesterday I went to see if I could get some Nic Base and EVERYTHING is OUT. I will say that in the past their products have been satisfactory, when you need nic base, you need nic base, so I choose other vendors which are just as reliable and cheap.

Wabbit

 

[Uncle Willie]

With the popularity of the PV continuing to grow by leaps and bounds on a daily basis, it does not surprise me that WL runs out of stock ..

For the freshest, longest lasting base, decant into smaller glass bottles prior to freezing .. I use 120ml .. that way, you can just break one bottle out when needed ..

 

[Dvx67]

Not sure why it would be harsh. I have been using WL nic for several months now and haven't had that experience. Although I mix mine at 12mg. I keep mine in the freezer also.

 

[Road_House]

Just a thought here. Anybody ever freeze a flavored drink in a clear plastic bottle and notice how the flavoring seems to separate from the rest of the fluid and become concentrated at one end of the bottle? I wonder if something similar doesn't happen when you freeze the nic and if it would be a good idea after thawing to give it a warm bath and lots of shaking before mixing.

Could've been a nic "hot spot" that gave your mix a higher potency than you thought you mixed it at?

Have you tested the nic level of your final mix?

 

[DeeDee1234]

Just a thought here. Anybody ever freeze a flavored drink in a clear plastic bottle and notice how the flavoring seems to separate from the rest of the fluid and become concentrated at one end of the bottle? I wonder if something similar doesn't happen when you freeze the nic and if it would be a good idea after thawing to give it a warm bath and lots of shaking before mixing.

Could've been a nic "hot spot" that gave your mix a higher potency than you thought you mixed it at?

Have you tested the nic level of your final mix?

That's a really good question?

Maybe one of the chemist could speak to this?

I have always been a bit concerned about the complete mixture of the solution and heat my mixes slightly to get a thinner mix and then shake them well. The thickness of vg combining with the thinner pg.

Danny, was your nic vg or pg? did you test the final juice?

 

[mrcoolbp]

At the temperature in your freezer neither PG nor VG freezes per-say, they just become very viscous (thick). I doubt this is the case. More likely that the calculations/mixing were off, or as Kurt suggested this batch could be different in some way. As suggested the OP could contact WL regarding the batch, possibly try another mix etc.