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Apparently, today is World No tobacco Day, i suppose started by the WHO.

I know WHO has taken a somewhat ambivalent stance on e-cigs, if not possibly siding against them...

But...is this something that perhaps the vaping community should be behind and support?

From what is briefly stated on Wikipedia (i'm not linking cos i'm still not overly clear on this forum's rules on links), it doesn't appear to be an anti-nicotine campaign, but more like an anti-tobacco campaign.

Thoughts? Opinions? What do you guys think?
 

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I might be able to get behind a World No Tobacco day if only there was also a World No Alcohol Day or World No Caffeine Day or even a World No Fast Food Day. As it is I guess I will just let the powers that be play their little games with our supposed freedom to do what we think is best for ourselves.

OK, off my soap box now :facepalm:

edit: On second thought, Nope, wouldn't get behind any of them.
 
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You just mentioning "world no tobacco day" makes me want to fire up a cigarette, and I am way beyond craving cigarettes.
These ANTZ and their lies/BS have pushed me off good quits many times.

Now I have to go vape and try to put this suggestion out of my mind.

typically i am fully against anyone trying to curtail the decisions or choices of anyone else. live and let live, and all that stuff. i agree - in a way it makes me want to light up just to spite the suggestion. but not really - i'm not going back to analogs if i can avoid it.

we all do know the harm tobacco and it's 4000+ ingredients/chemicals cause. i'm not saying i support this initiative, or that i'm specifically against it. that said, i am definitely NOT a supporter of BT nor the WHO, and there's that old adage: the enemy of my enemy is my friend. or something like that.

i just wonder if its a good idea or not, and would like to hear other's opinion on the subject.
 

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Thanks for reminding me about No Tobacco Day! I'll be sure to fish a cigarette out of the humidor (I keep a bunch around for friends who may fetch up short when they're here) and smoke it. I'll also be sure to charge a pipe and smoke that, too.

But what does No Tobacco Day have to do with vapers? There's no tobacco in our e-liquids. Nicotine (an extract of tobacco), yes, but not whole tobacco. If you mistakenly take it that nicotine is synonymous with tobacco, then you'd better forgo potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant, pepper (of all kinds) and myriad other vegetative products that also contain nicotine.
 

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Thanks for reminding me about No Tobacco Day! I'll be sure to fish a cigarette out of the humidor (I keep a bunch around for friends who may fetch up short when they're here) and smoke it. I'll also be sure to charge a pipe and smoke that, too.

But what does No Tobacco Day have to do with vapers? There's no tobacco in our e-liquids. Nicotine (an extract of tobacco), yes, but not whole tobacco. If you mistakenly take it that nicotine is synonymous with tobacco, then you'd better forgoe potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant, pepper (of all kinds) and myriad other vegetative products that also contain nicotine.

Well yes and no. While it is true those other vegetables do produce nicotine, the only crop that is used to commercially extract nicotine is tobacco. Our fates are tied to tobacco farmers until some other method of extraction becomes economically viable.

Since the e-liquid nicotine is derived from tobacco, that is the basis for it being classified as a tobacco product.
 

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Thanks for reminding me about No Tobacco Day! I'll be sure to fish a cigarette out of the humidor (I keep a bunch around for friends who may fetch up short when they're here) and smoke it. I'll also be sure to charge a pipe and smoke that, too.

But what does No Tobacco Day have to do with vapers? There's no tobacco in our e-liquids. Nicotine (an extract of tobacco), yes, but not whole tobacco. If you mistakenly take it that nicotine is synonymous with tobacco, then you'd better forgo potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant, pepper (of all kinds) and myriad other vegetative products that also contain nicotine.

hey i'm just trying to gather some opinions from vapers on this WHO initiative. considering that probably 95%+ of all vapers are ex-tobacco users or are still struggling with tobacco use, and many still willingly use both. seems to me that a group of people who made a conscious decision to END their dependency on tobacco products might find this interesting to discuss.

forgive me if i'm wrong, but a couple of the replies to this thread are coming off as a little hostile. maybe the people on this forum aren't as friendly as everyone claims they are. makes me start to rethink my decision of even signing up here. :facepalm:
 

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If it were "World No Smoking Day", then I would support it. Substituting "smoking" for "tobacco" has been a long standing ploy by the ANTZ to demonize THR products. We, as a community, should not help them promote their message of quit or die.

i agree with this. this makes sense to me, and is more appropriate than 'no tobacco day'.
 

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forgive me if i'm wrong, but a couple of the replies to this thread are coming off as a little hostile. maybe the people on this forum aren't as friendly as everyone claims they are. makes me start to rethink my decision of even signing up here. :facepalm:

Awe shucks Trunch...We really are a nice bunch of folks. Please don't judge us by the reply's to one subject. Smokers have been demonized for so long that it has made a lot of us kinda touchy about the subject.Stick around and get to know us a bit better and you will be glad you signed up.
 

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It used to be World No Smoking Day.

Well yes and no. While it is true those other vegetables do produce nicotine, the only crop that is used to commercially extract nicotine is tobacco. . . Since the e-liquid nicotine is derived from tobacco, that is the basis for it being classified as a tobacco product.

Hmmm . . . I'm not sure I follow your reasoning, EddardinWinter. Aside from being in citrus fruits (oranges, lemons, limes, grapefruit, etc.), citric acid is made by fermenting sugar using various bacteria. By your reasoning, then, citric acid (a product) = a lime (the whole fruit), citric acid = sugar and citric acid = certain bacteria.
 

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Awe shucks Trunch...We really are a nice bunch of folks. Please don't judge us by the reply's to one subject. Smokers have been demonized for so long that it has made a lot of us kinda touchy about the subject.Stick around and get to know us a bit better and you will be glad you signed up.

fair enough, mattie... :)
 

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hey i'm just trying to gather some opinions from vapers on this WHO initiative. considering that probably 95%+ of all vapers are ex-tobacco users or are still struggling with tobacco use, and many still willingly use both. seems to me that a group of people who made a conscious decision to END their dependency on tobacco products might find this interesting to discuss.

forgive me if i'm wrong, but a couple of the replies to this thread are coming off as a little hostile. maybe the people on this forum aren't as friendly as everyone claims they are. makes me start to rethink my decision of even signing up here. :facepalm:

I do not believe that the hostility was directed at you. :) A lot of users here have been defending the rest of us for quite some time from the forces of ANTZ (Anti Tobacco Zealots) and BT (Big Tobacco). In fact we routinely get visits from ANTZ from time to time. So rethink the hostility thought, it is Battle Stations you are seeing and it isn't directed at you. :)

I've never been one to join in on things like cold turkey day or what have you. However, I have joined CASAA.


Edit: I wanted to add one more thing here. To all of you that have gone to Battle Stations over the years. Thank You!
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I might be able to get behind a World No Tobacco day if only there was also a World No Alcohol Day or World No Caffeine Day or even a World No Fast Food Day. As it is I guess I will just let the powers that be play their little games with our supposed freedom to do what we think is best for ourselves.

OK, off my soap box now :facepalm:

edit: On second thought, Nope, wouldn't get behind any of them.

The only "world no" day I'd get behind would be "World no ANTZ Day."
 

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we all do know the harm tobacco smoking and it's 4000+ ingredients/chemicals cause.

Fixed that for you. ;) Nearly all increased health risks come from smoking, not tobacco. WHO doesn't support tobacco harm reduction - just 100% abstinence and the elimination of all tobacco, tobacco products and recreational nicotine products. WHO is 100% against electronic cigarettes. The WHO site for this day states "Tobacco kills nearly six million people each year, of which more than 600 000 are non-smokers dying from breathing second-hand smoke." That is an outright lie. Smoking causes nearly all "tobacco-related" diseases (diseases which many people still get without ever using or being exposed to tobacco) and second-hand smoke deaths are extremely exaggerated - if they even exist in real life (and not just in estimated numbers the ANTZ use.)

the enemy of my enemy is my friend. or something like that.

i just wonder if its a good idea or not, and would like to hear other's opinion on the subject.

If the enemy of our enemy is our friend, then our closest ally would be the tobacco industry and with friends like that....

So, my opinion would be no - it's not good to ally ourselves with or support WHO.

Hmmm . . . I'm not sure I follow your reasoning, EddardinWinter. Aside from being in citrus fruits (oranges, lemons, limes, grapefruit, etc.), citric acid is made by fermenting sugar using various bacteria. By your reasoning, then, citric acid (a product) = a lime (the whole fruit), citric acid = sugar and citric acid = certain bacteria.

That's a pretty disingenuous argument, don't you think? Nicotine in e-cigarettes is literally extracted from tobacco and it is (not the only but) the primary ingredient in tobacco most smokers want/need. It's more comparable to vanilla extract than citric acid. ;) It's pretty impossible to argue that e-cigarette nicotine is not a tobacco derivative. There is nothing wrong with being considered a "tobacco product," as there is nothing wrong with being a tobacco user. Most modern, smoke-free tobacco is just as safe as e-cigarettes. I personally believe the only way e-cigarettes will ever be socially accepted is if the public knows the truth about smoke-free tobacco. Distancing ourselves from it - rather than supporting it - is just as silly as the caffeinated 5 Hour Energy drink company arguing its not a "coffee product." That's true, but coffee isn't dangerous and shouldn't be regulated like it is, so what is the point in arguing? If the public continues to believe that ST is the same as cigarettes, they will continue to believe all tobacco is bad and therefore, since e-cigarettes keep people using the primary "wanted" ingredient in tobacco, they are just as bad, too. :)
 
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It used to be World No Smoking Day.



Hmmm . . . I'm not sure I follow your reasoning, EddardinWinter. Aside from being in citrus fruits (oranges, lemons, limes, grapefruit, etc.), citric acid is made by fermenting sugar using various bacteria. By your reasoning, then, citric acid (a product) = a lime (the whole fruit), citric acid = sugar and citric acid = certain bacteria.
I am not attempting to debate the logic of it.

I will clarify.

No other plant is used to manufacture liquid nicotine. Only tobacco can be used to produce commercially viable nicotine liquid. The FDA classifies the product as a tobacco product based on this fact. This is not my opinion of what is right, it is where we are in the United States as vapers.
 

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I want a World Politicians tell the truth day. OK maybe that is a bad idea I am not ready for the Apocalypse. I would be happy with a no BS day. Just one day a year that I DON'T have to listen to or deal with any BS. Is that too much to ask?

EDIT: wow I just realized that i originally left out a very important word in the last sentence..."DON'T".
 
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