World No Tobacco Day

[Truncheon]

Fixed that for you. Nearly all increased health risks come from smoking, not tobacco. WHO doesn't support tobacco harm reduction - just 100% abstinence and the elimination of all tobacco, tobacco products and recreational nicotine products. WHO is 100% against electronic cigarettes. The WHO site for this day states "Tobacco kills nearly six million people each year, of which more than 600 000 are non-smokers dying from breathing second-hand smoke." That is an outright lie. Smoking causes nearly all "tobacco-related" diseases (diseases which many people get without every using or being exposed to tobacco) and second-hand smoke deaths are extremely exaggerated - if they even exist in real life (and not just in estimated numbers the ANTZ use.)



If the enemy of our enemy is our friend, then our closest ally would be the tobacco industry and with friends like that....

So, my opinion would be no - it's not good to ally ourselves with or support WHO.



That's a pretty disingenuous argument, don't you think? Nicotine in e-cigarettes is literally extracted from tobacco and it is (not the only but) the primary ingredient in tobacco most smokers want/need. It's more comparable to vanilla extract than citric acid. It's pretty impossible to argue that e-cigarette nicotine is not a tobacco derivative. There is nothing wrong with being considered a "tobacco product," as there is nothing wrong with being a tobacco user. Most modern, smoke-free tobacco is just as safe as e-cigarettes. I personally believe the only way e-cigarettes will ever be socially accepted is if the public knows the truth about smoke-free tobacco. Distancing ourselves from it - rather than supporting it - is just as silly as the caffeinated 5 Hour Energy drink company arguing its not a "coffee product." That's true, but coffee isn't dangerous and shouldn't be regulated like it is, so what is the point in arguing? If the public continues to believe that ST is the same as cigarettes, they will continue to believe all tobacco is bad and therefore, since e-cigarettes keep people using the primary "wanted" ingredient in tobacco, they are just as bad, too.

thanks, kristin - my terminology in this thread has been incorrect, and as i've been reading thru the thread i realize the whole 'no tobacco day' initiative is very dictatorial and opressive, and vilifies all categories of tobacco use without exception. and from my limited knowledge of WHO, they tend to use misdirection and often outright lies to acheive their goals. i certainly should have used 'smoking' instead of 'tobacco use' in my previous comments.

true, the enemy of my enemy can still be my enemy, as well. i think if we look at history, we can see where accepting the enemy of our enemy as our friend has not always turned out so well...

glad to see the conversation on this subject, though.

 

[kristin]

In June 2012, WHO recommended banning electronic cigarettes stating:

"(E-cigarettes)are products resembling cigarettes and could therefore undermine the denormalization of tobacco use upheld by the WHO...a ban of ENDS as already undertaken by some Parties would contribute to changing the social norms regarding the consumption of tobacco products."

"...strong measures to prevent further spread of (e-cigarettes) could be considered..."

"...sale, advertising, and even the use of electronic cigarettes can be considered as promoting tobacco use, either directly or indirectly. Regardless of whether or not (e-cigarettes) contain nicotine or tobacco extracts, they are used to mimic smoking, which could be considered as a (direct or indirect) promotion of tobacco use."

"...the use of (e-cigarettes) could hamper the implementation of Article 8 (Protection from exposure to tobacco smoke) as (e-cigarette) users in public places may claim that their electronic cigarette does not contain tobacco and/or does not produce second-hand tobacco smoke."

I strongly suggest people read that document. It (and the quotes from it above) clearly shows that calling e-cigarettes "personal vaporizers," or not classifying e-cigs as "tobacco products" or even using nicotine-free liquid makes absolutely no difference to the ANTZ. They "look like smoking" and "encourage tobacco/nicotine use" and the ANTZ will never stand for that. Understanding this, the only course of action we can take is to try to re-normalize and counter the deceitful vilification of smoke-free tobacco and nicotine use by educating the public with the truth.

 

[Myk]

The hostility is towards WHO and other ANTZ, who have lied more than "big tobacco" ever did. Make no mistake, they are our worst enemy. If somehow you were able to get a foothold into claiming no tobacco day as a vaping day they would focus their aim on us more than it already is.
We are smoking according to them. It looks like smoking and no matter how many people aren't using nicotine or how many have a reason to vape nicotine we are doing something they don't approve of.

I have very good reason to be hostile towards ANTZ.
One of their lies was telling me smoking caused colon cancer. So when I started bleeding I was convinced I was dying. I rapidly cut my nicotine down and the bleeding got worse. I was really convinced I was dying then.
After a summer of going to doctors and staying off that evil nicotine, bleeding the whole time, it turned out I have Ulcerative Colitis. I've probably had it since I was either 9 months old or 14 years old and it was nicotine that kept it in check.
You know what does cause colon cancer? Ulcerative Colitis. Odds are you haven't heard that nicotine helps Ulcerative Colitis. You don't hear it because it would be counter productive to the ANTZ lies. They have even blocked nicotine pills for Ulcerative Colitis, yet they promote a suicide pill as a good means to quit.
These ANTZ would rather people die than do something they don't approve of.
They don't want me to die to save any innocent bystander, second hand smoke was a blatant lie put out by WHO who even when caught continued their lie in the face of having the facts from their own study pointed out to them.
They want me to die simply because I won't do as they say. These people are the scariest sorts.

If you want the numbers. Just for the people they are willing to kill or torture with Ulcerative Colitis to have their way, 1 in 200 people in the US have IBD with about an even split between Crohn's (made worse with nicotine) and Ulcerative Colitis (helped with nicotine in some cases, especially with ex-smokers). 20% of Ulcerative Colitis patients will end up having surgery. That's about 800,000 people suffering and 160,000 greatly suffering just because "if it saves even one life" that was based on a lie.
That's not including the 1% or so they're willing to kill with the suicide pills.
Or the mentally ill that are helped with nicotine.

 

[kristin]

second hand smoke was a blatant lie put out by WHO who even when caught continued their lie in the face of having the facts from their own study pointed out to them.

I was just looking for that study the other day. I think I read about it in Dissecting Anti-Smokers' Brains, Velvet Glove, Iron Fist or Smoke Screens (or all of them - I know I've read about it a few times.) Have you ever seen a link to it? I'd love to read that!


ETA: Nevermind, I found it and a great analysis of it here: http://www.davehitt.com/facts/who.html

The study found no statistically significant risk existed for non-smokers who either lived or worked with smokers.

The WHO quickly buried the report. The British press got wind of it and hounded them for weeks.

Fact: On March 8, 1998, the British newspaper The Telegraph reported "The world's leading health organization has withheld from publication a study which shows that not only might there be no link between passive smoking and lung cancer but that it could have even a protective effect."

Finally, the WHO issued a press release. Although their study showed no statistically significant risk from ETS, their press release had the misleading headline "Passive Smoking Does Cause Lung Cancer - Do Not Let Them Fool You." (I say "misleading" because it would be impolite to call it an outright lie.)

 

[Myk]

I was just looking for that study the other day. I think I read about it in Dissecting Anti-Smokers' Brains, Velvet Glove, Iron Fist or Smoke Screens (or all of them - I know I've read about it a few times.) Have you ever seen a link to it? I'd love to read that!


ETA: Nevermind, I found it and a great analysis of it here: http://www.davehitt.com/facts/who.html

For some reason that name, "davehitt" has stuck in my mind for many years. I first saw it when I switched to exclusive pipe tobacco which was early 2000s. I've never dropped a bookmark for it but could've pulled it right up (easily now because I recently went to it a few weeks ago because of an ANTZ elsewhere).
There's some other good pages linked from there.

It's hilarious the NIH abstract even says there is no link yet the same government sticks to it.