Worst feeling in my life, too much nicotine?

[Berylanna]

I only got a nic overdose once, in my early vaping days. The first time I chain-vaped all day. It was scary, but what was worse was that it made me anxious, which made me want to smoke, which was NOT going to fix it.

I had to work, so I sent my roommate out to get me some 0 nic, because I was finding myself smoking, which was making it worse. So got that, chain-vaped the 0 nic, then had a HUGE Indian lunch (by now it was the next day) and the combination of vaping 0 nic for a few hours plus the huge lunch seems to have cleared up the blood levels. Dunno if the spices helped. I still keep that bottle of 0 nic around for that reason. Normally I mix 36 and 24 and vape that, but by now I have the proper reflexes to "forget" to vape when I've had enough, so it's never happened again.

 

[chellemmm]

Not to laugh, but the Nicotine OD symptoms sound a lot like menopause!

Seriously, Nicotine is a poison and it is possible to OD on it. Stick to it, don't go back to stinkies, cut back on the nic percentage and drink lots of liquid. I found that too much VG gave me a heavy lung feeling, so play around with the ratios, if you can.

To the poster who said to treat it like a cigarette for a while and go outside, etc., that is great advice. Too much of a "good thing" like vaping can be a bad thing.

 

[ToeJamX]

I also mix 36 and 24 and that can sometimes overwhelm me. I've never gone with the 0 nic juice, I just stop vaping when I feel strange. OD'ing on nicotine while vaping should be virtually impossible as only a small percentage of it reaches your bloodstream. My daughter chain vapes 36 and she tells me that its never enough, and she always wants more. She was a 2 POD Newport smoker since she was a teenager, so who knows...

 

[Wallelf]

Not to laugh, but the Nicotine OD symptoms sound a lot like menopause!

2nd time in 24 hours you've beaten me to the punch.

Hello, are you me?

~Buff~

 

[Zztalk.talkzz]

I had an interesting day... I too had too much Nic, but when I ate a crystalized ginger snack it went away within about 3 min? Anyone know why?

 

[Shawniebo]

I've been vaping 18 ml 1.8 ml for the past month and it def has been way too much. As it is right now as I'm vaping. It isn't the pg/vg mix. It's the nic level for sure. I was a pack of Newpor7 100's pack a day to 2 pack a day if drinking. Thought it was enough but I'm lowering for sure on my next fills.

 

[funkypunk69]

Only time I got sick was when I was mixing fluid for about an hour and forgot to wear gloves. Had 72mg ejuice concentrate absorbing through my skin for an hour before i thought about it. Washed my hands, drank some water, felt better in an hour or 2.

 

[Bronsononson]

OP - i cant go to much higher than 18mg on a non genny set up. although i only experience headaches. nothing that intense. try a 12-14mg

 

[stormwench]

My opinion is that you are having issues with nicotine probably for 2 reasons. Unless you were a 3-4 pack smoker before you started vaping anything over 24 mg is much more then you were getting with cigarettes. Nicotine strength in e-liquid is less synonymous with how many cigarettes or the type you smokes as to taste and throat hit. Plus, there is no way that anyone vapes unless they wipe the drip tip constantly that they do not get some residue of the fluid on their lips/tongue even if they do not feel/taste it. This is usually not a problem with liquid that is 24mg or less but when you are using liquid over 18-24 mg the amount you come in contact with is enough to cause you to feel ill. If you are going to use liquid in at that level you probably need to consider vaping less and being very careful with handling the liquid and, if you have any leaks make sure you are wiping down the outside of the battery/atomizer and you hands. Hands come to a persons mouth often during the day and the e-juice on your hands can be transferred as well as any liquid that is on your drip tip and/or splashes a small drop if the atomizer bubbles.

Nicotine is toxic but at 24mg and less the amount you would get in your system that is not in vapor is not usually enough to make you ill unless you were a very light smoker before you took up vaping.

Also, at the higher amounts of nicotine, if you vape more then you usually do you can end up raising the nicotine level in your body enough to make you feel ill - something like you did the first time you smoked a cigarette.

My personal opinion is that 40+mg of nicotine is more then anyone really should consider vaping. Remember that nicotine is toxic and larger amounts can cause a toxic reaction. 45mg is in the range of the amounts used when nicotine was used as a pesticide and that is something to take into consideration.

If you decide to not risk using those larger amounts you can still use them by cutting them with 0-6mg e-juice (such as 1ml of the 45 mixed with 1 ml of the 0 or 6mg will cut down the strength of the nicotine.

You are better off staying at or below 24mg (18mg usually gives a better taste with fruity flavors then 24 does) and vape your normal amount. That way if you get itchy for a bit more nicotine, you just vape a little bit more. This makes more sense from a safety perspective then using a high mg nicotine in your e-liquid and having to be carefull you don't vape too often/too much. If you are using a very high amount of nicotine in your e-cig because you really do crave that much you should try vaping 24mg or less most of the time and only vaping the higher amounts for a few hits if you get the feeling of needing more nicotine. Its much better to add a bit more then start out that high and not have any way to get it out of your system then by waiting for your body to process it and get you past the 'sick' feeling.

Good rule of thumb: If you take anything that make you feel sick afterwards - you body is trying to tell you something. Its good to listen to it.

 

[Jeanelle Aubert]

I've had panic attacks like crazy this past 9 days. Are your ears ringing (tinnitus?) That and feeling like I want to jump outta my skin is definitely too much nic to me.

My ears ring when I get to much nicotine as well,it's awful..... found out all I need is 6mg even after smoking a pack a day lights for 20 yrs... I cut that in half most of the time now,with vg and I can cape away

 

[funkypunk69]

I think one of the worst feelings my life was hitting a tree on a parachute landing and falling 30 feet onto the ground. I actually bounced a little. Not on topic I know, but was just thinking about the thread title.

 

[fabricator4]

I had an interesting day... I too had too much Nic, but when I ate a crystalized ginger snack it went away within about 3 min? Anyone know why?

Interesting. Searching for 'chemistry' and 'ginger' took me straight to the ginger wikipedia page. If you scroll down a bit before halfway to 'Chemistry' and 'preliminary research' there's a few interesting notes including:

The compounds found in ginger appear to bind to the seratonin receptors in the brain. This might indicate that they will bind to the nicotine receptors also, reducing the effectiveness of nicotine. This might be part of the mechanism that gives ginger its mild sedative affects. I also note that most anti-nausea medications are forms of sedative, and that ginger is also found to be useful as an anti-nausea treatment for some conditions like motion sickness.

So yes, the sedative affects and the direct affects on seratonin receptors and possibly nicotine receptors could indicate that ginger might be useful as an antidote treatment for nicotine overdose. Note: I am NOT a doctor, or a biochemist and if you have severe overdose symptoms you should see a doctor. Next time I overdo it however, (very rare these days since I dropped the nic from 24mg down to 16mg) I may try it.

I think an observed effect within three minutes of eating ginger seems a little rapid, but I confess to being out of my depth here beyond finding certain connections between these rather interesting facts. For the effect to be this quick the compounds responsible would need to be absorbed rapidly through the mucus membranes in the same way that nicotine is.

 

[clnire]

I first started on disposables I could get locally. I started with 16 mg nic. I had only been smoking 1/2 pack or less a day. I found I was anxious, nervous, crabby and could not sleep. I first attributed it to stopping the nasties. Once I got my "real" kit, an ego twist with accessories and a basic 510 for those times I wanted to feel like I was "smoking", I cut my nic to 12 mg. Wow, I was not as anxious and could sleep again. I then purchased the same flavors with 0 nic and cut the 12 mg to 6 mg. Now I am fine. I can enjoy my vaping without all the other side affects. I also drink TONS of liquid; Gatorade, Coconut water and just plain water. Dehydration can cause similar side affects.

Sounds to me (I am NO expert!!!) like way too much nicotine. Instead of letting it help you, you are trying too hard. Take your time, do your research, and I bet you will feel better and enjoy it more.

 

[fabricator4]

There's been some very good advice in this thread, but here's my slightly different spin (Punny!) on it.

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It's useful while you are getting your nicotine level right to have something with some 0% nicotine in it. That way if you are having nicotine overdose symptoms (nausea, headache, dizzyness, heart racing etc) but still feel the need to vape then you can do so safely. A very low nicotine juice (eg 8mg/ml) could also be used if that is all you have.

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Tobacco smoke contains a lot more than just nicotine. Other addictive elements include related tobacco alkaloids, and other chemicals which serve to enhance and extend the affects of nicotine. Cigarettes are much more addictive than just vaping nicotine. It's possible to be vaping nicotine to overdose, and still crave a cigarette. If this is a major problem for you investigate WTAs (whole tobacco alkaloids) on here. Google is your friend.

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Drink water as has been said, and vape the 0 nic juice, or stop altogether if you have nothing suitable. The worst effects will pass after about an hour.

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Lastly it seems you are on a tight budget. Consider DIY for your juices as it's much cheaper. I can make enough juice for a week (about 30ml usually) at my preferred nictine content of 16mg/ml for less than $3. I also rebuild coils and wicks but that is an advanced topic and I mainly do it to get better results out of my clearos; the most savings come with DIY juice. DIY is frustrating until you get the first flavour that you can live with long term. I suggest using very dilute flavours rather than going for something that explodes your tastebuds on the first hit but very quickly becomes too strong to vape. Keep in mind that things will taste stronger as your tastebuds start to recover.

 

[Zztalk.talkzz]

Interesting. Searching for 'chemistry' and 'ginger' took me straight to the ginger wikipedia page. If you scroll down a bit before halfway to 'Chemistry' and 'preliminary research' there's a few interesting notes including:

The compounds found in ginger appear to bind to the seratonin receptors in the brain. This might indicate that they will bind to the nicotine receptors also, reducing the effectiveness of nicotine. This might be part of the mechanism that gives ginger its mild sedative affects. I also note that most anti-nausea medications are forms of sedative, and that ginger is also found to be useful as an anti-nausea treatment for some conditions like motion sickness.

So yes, the sedative affects and the direct affects on seratonin receptors and possibly nicotine receptors could indicate that ginger might be useful as an antidote treatment for nicotine overdose. Note: I am NOT a doctor, or a biochemist and if you have severe overdose symptoms you should see a doctor. Next time I overdo it however, (very rare these days since I dropped the nic from 24mg down to 16mg) I may try it.

I think an observed effect within three minutes of eating ginger seems a little rapid, but I confess to being out of my depth here beyond finding certain connections between these rather interesting facts. For the effect to be this quick the compounds responsible would need to be absorbed rapidly through the mucus membranes in the same way that nicotine is.

That's awesome! Thank you for this information... Very well worded and explained without the logical falicy of misplaced authority, humility is hard to come buy.

 

[Donovan69]

The highest nic level I have vaped has been 36mg and it was raunchy. I mean I have heard of them vaping 48mg in europe but imho thats frigging nuts. The 36 I tried was a friends and it happened to be my favourite flavour BC vapour pineapple. When I quit smoking I started off at 24mg. I vaped that for a month then cut to 20mg. No sweat, no pain. I vaped that for about a month then down to 18mg and some 16mg. All is well and I think its time to drop again. My hits on my genny are hitting me hard!

 

[ToeJamX]

36mg is really the only nic level that has truly satisfied me, so I'm sticking with it for now. I get very little throat hit with anything lower.

Anyway, and I'll do a pbusardo type disclaimer here, these are only my results, yours may vary...

I'm 55 years old, have been smoking for about 40 years, am a type 2 diabetic and have slightly high cholesterol and prehypertension.

It's been 3 months since I began vaping, haven't smoked since that day, and today I saw my primary physician for my routine checkup.

I'm just going to post the results from my blood work and what happened during the doctor visit. Again, this isn't proof of anything, just what happened for me.

1) My diabetes has been pretty well controlled, but not great. My A1C dropped from 7.0 to 6.6. (A1C is basically your average glucose reading over a monthly period). My diet and other habits haven't really changed.

2) My blood pressure, which averaged about 132/88 was 124/80. Wow!

3) Cholesterol actually increased a bit, from 140 to 152, not good news there.

4) This is the part that blew me away. Normally, after the exam, my doctor would check my lung function, I had to blow as hard and as fast as I could into the device. He would then have me inhale some albuterol and repeat, etc. My average lung function last time was about 70 percent or so, 72 percent after the albuterol. On the first try it was 91 percent! This after only 3 months of not smoking. I'm still in shock.

All in all, for once, I'm actually looking forward to my next visit to the doctor.

 

[SteveCee]

I managed to OD on the nicotine my first day with the Volt 78mm. I have since gained a routine with my Ego-C Upgrade! No ODs since.

 

[fabricator4]

That's awesome! Thank you for this information... Very well worded and explained without the logical falicy of misplaced authority, humility is hard to come buy.

You are very welcome, I'm glad you found it interesting.

Completely coincidentally, I found myself slightly OD'd on nicotine tonight. I took the dog for a very brisk walk and was vaping pretty hard all the way, while thinking how great my chest felt now that I don't smoke. After getting back home I vaped on a dual coil carto tank I've been playing with. I wanted to empty it and try it with a fruity flavour which I think may work well in it so was vaping the last bit a little quicker than normal without really thinking about it.

The result was nausea, and a slightly wired but yucky feeling. I then remembered the ginger and also that we should still have some crystalised ginger in the 'fridge. I hunted for ages and couldn't find it and thought I was out of luck, but finally came across a jar of pickled sushi ginger. I ate a piece, probably about a teaspoon.

At first there was no real affect, but after a few minutes I noticed that my stomach was feeling a little better. Not completely good, but then I haven't eaten any dinner yet so that would be a contibuting factor. I'm certainly feeling like eating now though.

I am also feeling a little happier about things generally. I'm back vaping again, unbelievably, but I'm nearly ready to pull this DCT down and fill it with something else. I think I'm feeling less wired, but everything seems a bit surreal. It's something like the spin you get from a cigarette when you first started smoking, but the affect is very mild. I'm actually enjoying the vape much more that I was just before I ate the ginger.

This is all anecdotal of course. How much is placebo effect (I expected something might happen, so it did) and how much is real I don't know. I would say it's most definitely worth trying however.

What an interesting experiment! The ginger was pleasant, and I think I'll try using it in the future at different times.

 

[ogpanda]

lmao..wen i vape juice or water is always a must