Worst industry standards I have ever seen

[worthatry]

Rant on

Okay so I don't really like to complain but I ordered ten 2.0 ce4 clearos from a site because they had a sale and I liked the price. First off I ordered some juice from ec blend(very happy) the same day and got both the same day. Both shipped the same way one had to mix my juice and send it across country while the other had to pack some clearos and mail in the same time zone. Little rant but whatever I can get over that. Well I get these open and throw the first one on my evic and it reads 3.6 ohms!!!! I keep checking them and have had read outs from 2.5 to 3.6 ohms with everything in between.

I tried one that was reading 2.6 Ohms on the Ego and it wouldn't vape at all. Put in on my Evic around 6 Watts and the coils actually glowed through the rubber piece. Put it on an Ego twist and it would vape even at 3 volts but tasted burnt even that low. Put back on Ego still nothing. I think these are just whacked out.

Okay so I emailed them. I was told any one not opened I can get a refund for. I guess that's okay but this industry seems a little broke and may be it's ultimate downfall. So a company makes a product, they give it to a store who sells it to you. The product doesn't work at all or anywhere close to what it is supposed to do and it is you the customer that loses money while everybody else gets paid for their faulty product. How am I supposed to know they don't work without opening it.
I opened 5 before I gave up on the lot.

So 10 clearos @ $3 is $30, plus $5 shipping is $35 plus $5 to send back 5 of them is $40 total minus a $15 refund means for $25 I get 5 broken clearos. Welcome to chumpville, population me. Worst policy of any industry I have ever seen. If it's broke, oh well, you lose. I like to vape and have almost stopped smoking cigs at all but I would rather kill myself with cigarettes than just give my money to random "business" people for nothing at all.

Rant off.

 

[williebb123]

i know exactly what you mean , i bought 2 direct tv recievers at best buy one time and both were messed up but once activated cannot be returned to store you have to return to huges net the maker , i wrote to them its a defect the serial numbers are are in sequence so its a production problem they said they would fix it but had to pay 20 bucks for shipping plus 20 bucks per unit to be repaired 60 bucks total i thought ... they were never working to begin with i was so mad i couldnt see straight so i feel your pain

 

[worthatry]

Yeah that would make me upset too but at least the end result was 2 working boxes. DirectTV always gives me my boxes, never understood paying for them. Still better than having air, nothing, absolutely nothing for your money. Plus it's not like 2 weeks later you needed to buy more boxes like delivery systems. I am worried about ordering anything now. I won't even send them back tbh because the time I would have to waste to ship is worth more to me than the $15. So I will be out $35. But if it happens over and over it will start to add up fast. For now I will just blast that product on their website so hopefully no one will buy it which I am sure they can and will delete. Haven't decided if I want to call it out on here seeing I got their deal off of this site and people should know. 1 out of 10 broken sucks, 10 out of 10 is a ripoff. I guess it is what it is, right.

 

[Buggs5347]

No kidding. I just bought a "smokin" deal from a popular supplier of 10 supposedly genuine 510 Joyetech dripping atty's for $46.00. I ordered standard resistance, didn't realize until I've already gone through 3 in 3 days that they are LR. I only use them on egos, anyway, so I kept them. Big mistake. Anyway, 3 days and 3 just stopped working within 24 hours each. Just ticks me off. I have a feeling all 10 of them are going to be duds like this. Most of my previous Joyetech 510 atty's I've been able to get 2 weeks to 2 months use of them (purchased from a different vendor). Normally paying $8.00 each for them. I really thought I was snagging a good deal. Think again. So far, these are ending up costing me at least 3 x what I had previously paid. Could be the cost is a whole lot more than that depending on how long the other 7 last.

 

[Baditude]

This IS a big problem in my opinion. Most of the products used in vaping are manufactured in China. There are no standards or regulations for most products made there. It is a very cut throat business where smaller, lesser known companies make look-a-likes of popular name brands, (such as Joye, Vision, Boge, Smoktech, L Rider, etc.), which are often of a poorer quality or with less quality control of parts/manufacturing. This seems to be common and almost expected business practice to them. Having said that, it appears that many American vapors are out to find a bargain, find these products for cheap believing that they are getting a great deal. Well, if half of the purchased product is DOA, is it really such a great deal?

I have to believe that many of the vendors are helpless as the middleman. They are buying products in large quantity. They have to be taking a bad hit if customers demand a refund. Interesting that cartomizers are frequently exempt from any guarantee...probably because their defect rate is so high.

 

[williebb123]

i used to do a lot of orders with greenhouse one tim is really a nice guy they warranty atomizers i would buy like , 5-10 boxes and let tim know i need to warranty 6,8, 10 attys what ever died and they always sent me replacements they are the only company that would do that but the china wait sometimes can be a head ache

 

[Buggs5347]

Oh, and what also frosts me about this is the atty's all have the vendors logo/initials etched on them. Looks nice! Works like crap! Why do vendors pay extra for having their logos etched on junk?!!! That has to cost them extra, I'd think.

 

[shatner]

This is why you choose a vendor wisely. Find one that accepts DOA (dead on arrival) returns. Sorry to hear about your issue.

 

[Buggs5347]

This is why you choose a vendor wisely. Find one that accepts DOA (dead on arrival) returns. Sorry to hear about your issue.

DOA is pretty worthless unless it just doesn't work right out of the mailbox.

 

[boomerdude]

We, as the end of the line consumers, are the only ones that can change this industry. I really don't see the need for all this sympathy for the middlemen. Most of us are protected by consumer laws here in the US. Regardless of what any vendor's disclaimer might say, check your state's consumer laws. When we all follow the practice of using our dollars and the negative review forum here on ECF, maybe things will get better. You DON'T have to settle for this crap. If the product you buy is faulty, don't ask, TELL the vendor you are returning the item on their dime. If they refuse you can come here and let us all know by posting in the negative review section. If you've lost a lot of money, like a couple of hundred dollars, it cost less than $25 in most counties to file in small claims court, online in many instances. Folks, it ain't gonna stop until WE stop it.

 

[JinnMyst]

To everone on ECF:

If you're going to pick the "cheapest" items out there, don't expect superior quality and then compain when your batteries explode or when your clearo's leak.

STOP buying vaping supplies when you don't know where they come from, when they come with NO WARRANTY, and start buying reputable devices and accessories like Provari, OVALE eVic, and the MiD.

You recommend "the VAMO" and "Volcano" s**t to new members here on ECF ONLY BASED ON PRICE. Then they become disappointed when they receive a defective unit or when their battery melts or explodes. End result, more news-stories and articles for our enemies to use against us to make everyone believe believe all vaping products are the same.

If this continues here on ECF, it won't be too long until someone's home catches on fire while they're charging their "eGo battery on SALE for $7".

It is not those "unkown" companies who are giving the vaping community a bad name, it is "A LOT OF US" who are!

Time to really wake up!

 

[J.R. Bob Dobbs]

let me say that in my expirence and from reviews ive read CE4's/ vision / stardust types can be hit an miss. I Have ordered around 8 ce4/stardust types and only one has been truly junk. They are tempermental little buggers it seems. You must keep them filled over half to get any kind of good vape off them, below half its hit and miss unless you give them a good shake now and then. I should also note i exclusively use them on ego non variable batteries. But of all the ones i have i have only really had problems with one of them. While the vendor that sold it does not accept returns, she was very generous when i complained and offered me a free one on my next order. This was nettmix that offered the free one.

I have since found much joy in kanger T3's, though even they are not perfect. I have found with T3's you need to plug one of the three holes in the atty to get really good vapes. they tend to be a bit airy.

 

[Salt&PePPer]

Its not about Superior Quality; its about the item working correctly in the first place.

I agree in every regard to what is said.

I would rather buy an T3 made in the states and pay two dollars more per item and KNOW it will work vs Saving money and buying cheap crap from China.

A lot of this can be "Nipped in The-Bud" by the Vendor. And yes I agree we need to be wary of the Vendors who pop up with the super cheap deals that we see. I would be more inclined to buy a T3 for $5 from Gotvapes vs buying them for $3 a piece from a less-reputable vendor. There is a lot to be said about supplier reputation.

 

[worthatry]

If you're going to pick the "cheapest" items out there, don't expect superior quality and then compain when your batteries explode or when your clearo's leak.

I get what you are saying but just because it is cheap I would still expect it to work when I open it or get my money back. If it doesn't last as long as something more expensive then it is a lesson learned. If it doesn't work when you open it then it is a scam.

OVALE eVic

Now this worries me. I just bought a Joyetech Evic. It was what the B&M store had by me. I thought Joyetech was a name brand company and reputable. I hope I don't have an issue with this thing. It certainly wasn't cheaper.

 

[grandmato5]

I would certainly hope that you're polite response back to the vendor about only being able to return the unopened ones would state that without opening them you would not know they were not within the acceptable range of 2 ohms that you ordered. Being too far outside the acceptable range of ohms is your basis for being able to returning them because you didn't get what you ordered. Don't mean to sound rude but most clearos only have a DOA only return policy and I wouldn't expect them to refund your money or exchange for other ones those that you felt tasted burnt.

 

[DiNet]

Oh, and what also frosts me about this is the atty's all have the vendors logo/initials etched on them. Looks nice! Works like crap! Why do vendors pay extra for having their logos etched on junk?!!! That has to cost them extra, I'd think.

Depends on quantity. Enough pieces ordered and it's free.

I've learned my lesson with these things. Never order from shops that you are not sure about. And ordering only from those who have been reviewed.
Example: ordered Vivi Nova from gotvapes because pbusardo reviewed them. Payed extra because of shipping, but was not sure that local shop got real thing. In the end I got perfectly working clearos and happy vape times.

Had terrible experience with 1 local retailer on CE4. Bought 3 of those, 1 burned out after day of vape, 2nd was leaking when vaping and 3rd did "pass through" all liquid... filling it and watching it slowly go down on the battery DoA? Yes. Replaced? No. I took it out of the nylon... how the hell I'm supposed to know if it's DoA without taking it out from nylon is beyond me...

 

[worthatry]

I would certainly hope that you're polite response back to the vendor about only being able to return the unopened ones would state that without opening them you would not know they were not within the acceptable range of 2 ohms that you ordered. Being too far outside the acceptable range of ohms is your basis for being able to returning them because you didn't get what you ordered. Don't mean to sound rude but most clearos only have a DOA only return policy and I wouldn't expect them to refund your money or exchange for other ones those that you felt tasted burnt.

I haven't responded. I am fairly new so I am coming on here to kind of get the feel of what I should be looking for. I only tried vaping one of them because I am pretty new to vaping so I thought well maybe I will be okay with the OHMs difference and if so I will just use them. Like I said the one reading 2.6 OHM I tried wouldn't even vape on a standard Ego which I use a 2.8 OHM Nova on all the time. Then at 6watts the coil lit up like a christmas tree. On the chart 6 watts is on the low side of even being able to vape at those OHMs. But if they had said they would refund me for the 9 that didn't have liquid in it I would be understanding but still a little upset. But that's not what they offered.

Also 3 reviews on their site said they were good. And I got the vendor and deal from here so I thought they would be okay. I really am not a dumb person at all, lol, but I guess being pretty new to this stuff I feel unsure.

 

[budynbuick]

OTOH, I ordered 10 2.4 replacement coils from OKCvape & they all showed 2.4 exactly. Ordered 5 from MtBaker & they were right on the money as well. I want to quit smoking so bad I will fight through these trials but so far I have been fortunate. They could be cheap knockoff's? Hope you get it worked but don't give up.
Keith

 

[JinnMyst]

OTOH, I ordered 10 2.4 replacement coils from OKCvape & they all showed 2.4 exactly.

That is only part of quality control.

Were those batch of coils/wires exposed to below freezing conditions, above 50 deg C heat to simulate different weather conditions??

Was the device itself tested for inward/outward leakage? (A LOT of electronics collect moisture from varying air conditioning/weather changes) this moisture is why HIGH QUALITY control standards sometimes require some sort of a sealing agent to prevent moisture from getting in.

We now use high voltage devices, don't be fooled by the size of the battery or the basic design of vaporizers. These things can cause serious injury/burns, spark a fire, and even KILL A CHILD if -god forbid- they play with it in their mouth.

I personally quit smoking because I can't stand the idea of dying because of smoking.. I'd rather die in a car accident than by the mere stupidity of continuing to smoke.

Using a high voltage product made in someone's garage in China is even more stupid.

 

[mikejm]

I bought a 5 pack of atties from Liberty Flights. First two lasted only one day. I was able to get a full refund for the 5 pack and they mailed me a return shipping label so I could send them back.