Worst industry standards I have ever seen

[Buggs5347]

To everone on ECF:

If you're going to pick the "cheapest" items out there, don't expect superior quality and then compain when your batteries explode or when your clearo's leak.

STOP buying vaping supplies when you don't know where they come from, when they come with NO WARRANTY, and start buying reputable devices and accessories like Provari, OVALE eVic, and the MiD.

You recommend "the VAMO" and "Volcano" s**t to new members here on ECF ONLY BASED ON PRICE. Then they become disappointed when they receive a defective unit or when their battery melts or explodes. End result, more news-stories and articles for our enemies to use against us to make everyone believe believe all vaping products are the same.

If this continues here on ECF, it won't be too long until someone's home catches on fire while they're charging their "eGo battery on SALE for $7".

It is not those "unkown" companies who are giving the vaping community a bad name, it is "A LOT OF US" who are!

Time to really wake up!

That's fine and dandy advice, if the OP and I were talking about the PV itself. So, I don't understand your scolding. What about atty's and cartos and clearos? I purchased my atty's from a highly recommended site mentioned here all the time. The boxes of atty's do say they are Joyetech. I have no problem with my Ego's or my Spinners or my Varitube. I doubt buying a Provari, Ovale or the MiD is what I need to do.

 

[mikejm]

I bought a defective charger from FSUSA that destroyed two new eGo batteries that I purchased from Vapor Kings. I explained the situation to both vendors. Vapor Kings understood it was not their fault when I explained what happened and showed them a video of the flashing eGo's but sent me two more eGo batteries without a return of the two that were damaged from the charger. FSUSA would not refund or exchange the charger and I refuse to purchase anything from them including their juice.

 

[ccm2000]

I agree with all of the hardware knock-offs and copies from China, you don't know what you're getting. Even Joyetech mentions on their website "In the past two years, we suffered copy booms and variously low price competition against our main products".
This industry is still in its infancy. It's still a bit like the 'wild west' at this point in time. Choose your vendors wisely. Contact customer service and ask questions before you buy.

 

[boomerdude]

Every time someone like the OP begins a thread about the state of the Industry it degenerates into a piss and moan contest about how someone got scammed. Why don't you tell us what you DID about it. Don't leave it at "I'll never buy from them again", tell us who, what and why. That way we can judge for ourselves. Maybe we were just about to buy the same item from that same vendor and you warning saves us some money.

Sorry if I overstepped OP.

 

[redg8r]

....... reading this thread just jinxed me

Been enjoying all my gear, sittin here reading this thread when I decide to try a single 18350 on my vamo in "mini" mode.

Spent 20 minutes trying to screw the end cap on when I realize it wont thread .... threads fine on tube extension... smh

 

[AttyPops]

Well. I'm not a vendor so just

The clearo thing is nasty from a reseller's point of view too. On the one hand you don't want to sell crap stuff and tick off all the customers, you also want to be price competitive. Also, just because some EVIC unit lists the ohms as __X__ doesn't mean they are. I'd check with a real multi-meter, although going by lack of performance you reported I'd bet you're correct in the ohms issue.

The problem is that resellers can get taken to the cleaners if they accept opened stuff. OTHO, if I was a vendor and I knew an order was for 10 2.0 ohm clearos and they came back and showed high ohms....I'd at least split the diff on the opened stuff and give store credit or something.

Do the clearo packets say 2.0 ohms on them?

 

[JinnMyst]

That's fine and dandy advice, if the OP and I were talking about the PV itself.

Why did you place yourself as the center of the thread? (My response was clearly "To all ECF members").. Is this a joke? o__O

So, I don't understand your scolding.

What...?

What about atty's and cartos and clearos?

That applies to all products, clearos, cartos, chargers, batteries...... you get the picture?

I purchased my atty's from a highly recommended site mentioned here all the time.

That's what we're talking about here.. KNOW what you're buying, where it was made, etc.. These websites you're buying from are middle-men.. They don't manufacture their products.. they are resellers.. (I don't even know why I should tell you that, but you don't sound like you're alright up there)

I doubt buying a Provari, Ovale or the MiD is what I need to do.

Huh??


(Oh, maybe post-count?)

 

[nnote]

All rebuildable and DIY = not having to worry about getting bunk attys and yucky juice.

 

[Robino1]

(I don't even know why I should tell you that, but you don't sound like you're alright up there)



Huh??


(Oh, maybe post-count?)

Out of line...... That is a personal attack.....not good.

Buggs is a great person that does know what she is talking about when it comes to equipment. The post count that she has (like myself) is high because we are part of a thread that has a lot of people on it and we have all become friends....... if you know what that means.

She has a right to her opinion as do you. I DON'T think you have a right to belittle anyone.

 

[tj99959]

The main reason to come to ecf is to become informed, so get informed!

Have you see this?
News Details - Vision High Technology
If you are getting CE4's or Novas from other than one of the vendors listed (and look to see if the product is listed as a vision product) then you have not become informed because this list has been posted on ecf many times.

Are your T2's and T3's listed by the vendor as being "Kanger", or are they just listed as T2's and T3's with no mention of where they came from or who made them.

There are more than enough ways to buy quality products if you care to look.

 

[tj99959]

Double post

 

[JinnMyst]

Now this worries me. I just bought a Joyetech Evic. It was what the B&M store had by me. I thought Joyetech was a name brand company and reputable. I hope I don't have an issue with this thing. It certainly wasn't cheaper.

If you refer to your other thread in which I recommended the eVic, I strictly said "OVALE", my friend!

I could not find the warranty information on JoyeTechUSA.com

On OVALE USA, however, the warranty PDF clearly states:

"Warranty applies only to products purchased through OVALEUSA.COM and does not extend to products purchased through 3rd party retailers". -Source: http://www.ovaleusa.com/shop/Warranty-Return-Policy

This is why I checked the warranty information before I ordered, and I ordered from OVALEUSA.COM just because of that.

Nasty money saving strategies for them (doesn't make sense, but gotta protect my investment ya know?)

 

[tj99959]

So you bought an eVic for 100 bucks from Ovale and got a 60 day warranty. You do know that A Provari is only 50 bucks more, and has a one year warranty.
(and please don't tell me that you think the build quality is comparable)
http://www.provape.com/ProVari-Variable-Voltage-V2-p/provari.htm

 

[worthatry]

The main reason to come to ecf is to become informed, so get informed!

Have you see this?
News Details - Vision High Technology
If you are getting CE4's or Novas from other than one of the vendors listed (and look to see if the product is listed as a vision product) then you have not become informed because this list has been posted on ecf many times.

Right because everyone knows that when you first start vaping and jump on ECF the first thing you look for is who the best vendors are. Most people already know what the difference in batteries are, what the MAHs are for, what OHMs mean, what the different threading are, what's the difference between PG and VG and how they affect the vape, what cartridges, cartos, clearos, and tanks are and what VV and VW is. Most people know all that so of course they jump right on ECF to figure out what vendors carry legitimate types of these products.

I guess it's easier to blame the consumer with no protection than the vendor ripping people off. Thanks for that chart though and I am glad to see myfreedomsmokes on there as they are local and will get all my hardware business for now on. I guess it's just people putting out crap to money grab from newbies. Again that will hurt the industry. Live and learn I guess.

Also think I got a 90 day warranty on the Evic.

Lastly the Provari is only $50 more if you have batteries and a charger already. Otheriwse it is at least
$80+ more out the door.

 

[JinnMyst]

She has a right to her opinion as do you. I DON'T think you have a right to belittle anyone.

OFF-TOPIC:

Maybe her response to my post was just as "belittling" but not as explicit..

My post was clear "To all ECF members", not to Buggs (whom I didn't even read her posts at that time)!

If you're going to try to crush someone's valid statements, at least have some valid statements to contradict them.

But,

What about atty's and cartos and clearos?

It doesn't take a genius to understand that my statements apply to all products, whether they are PVs or PV accessories, especially when I already mentioned "accessories" to begin with.

...and start buying reputable devices and accessories..

Yes, I stepped over the line. But when it comes to someone belittling our minds when discussing something important, making themselves the center of a thread, that's also immature.

Apologies to the OP. I'm off this discussion, unless it's related to the OP's thread.

 

[JinnMyst]

Also think I got a 90 day warranty on the Evic. Live and learn I guess.

I'd hate to be the -potential- bringer of bad news, but did you check if the warranty says it "does not cover products purchased from 3rd party retailers"? This is what is written on OVALE's warranty.

 

[Robino1]

Maybe an apology to Buggs is in order also.

 

[Hulamoon]

I've been using the same 2 eGo Twists for months now. Along with Kanger T2's I still maintain they are cheap, easy to use fill n go equipment, and reliable. I agree that generally speaking the more money one invests the better quality one should expect, but on the other hand, cheap isn't necessarily bad. After all, if we all had funds, we'd be a lot better off if we could have afforded one Rolls Royce to last a lifetime instead of cheap car after car after car after.... The other thing with cheaper equipment as a recommendation for beginners is for them to determine if vaping is really for them before they commit to a large outlay. No point in buying a Rolls if you haven't yet passed your driving test. As for fires, I would STRONGLY recommend that when dealing with batteries, that a protective fire bag be purchased. They only cost around $12, so no excuses! And it is thanks to the Chinese that vaping was invented as an alternative to smoking. As always, know your vendor and know your product.

 

[JinnMyst]

So you bought an eVic for 100 bucks from Ovale and got a 60 day warranty. You do know that A Provari is only 50 bucks more, and has a one year warranty.
(and please don't tell me that you think the build quality is comparable)
ProVari Variable Voltage Electronic Cigarette

Yes I picked the eVic for some reasons mentioned in another thread by the OP (check their latest threads started).

Some of the reasons:
- eVic comes with a battery & charger, the Provari does NOT.
- eVic seemed to be the first of its kind as an upgradable device.
- I preferred the eVic over the Provari, aesthetically speaking.
- I do not need more than 5 Volts.
- The price was right for me (if you add the battery+charger+$50 extra for the Provari, it adds up)

 

[EddardinWinter]

OFF-TOPIC:

Maybe her response to my post was just as "belittling" but not as explicit..

My post was clear "To all ECF members", not to Buggs (whom I didn't even read her posts at that time)!

If you're going to try to crush someone's valid statements, at least have some valid statements to contradict them.

But,

It doesn't take a genius to understand that my statements apply to all products, whether they are PVs or PV accessories, especially when I already mentioned "accessories" to begin with.



Yes, I stepped over the line. But when it comes to someone belittling our minds when discussing something important, making themselves the center of a thread, that's also immature.

Apologies to the OP. I'm off this discussion, unless it's related to the OP's thread.

I re-read Buggs post a couple of times. She disputed your points in your post. She did not attack you personally.

Your responses were full of venom. When you say "(I don't even know why I should tell you that, but you don't sound like you're alright up there)" you are making a personal attack. When you say "It doesn't take a genius to understand that my statements apply to all products, whether they are PVs or PV accessories, especially when I already mentioned "accessories" to begin with." that is another personal attack on the poster's intelligence.

It seems from the posts you made that you feel the need to make yourself look smarter by trying to make others look stupid.