Would a change dot org petition help us?
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Well then we may see the black lungs pic and the famous "This product is not a safe alternative to cigarettes" warning on eliquid.
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I totally agree. This is something brand new. It is not medicine. It is not a cigarette. It is in a class all on its own and should not be classified as a tobacco product. If we could get the powers that be to see that, maybe we would have a leg to stand on.
It would surprise me to no end if they actually listen and act accordingly but if we don't at least try we will surely fail.
Hopefully not, if we can get them to not classify e-liquid as a tobacco product. If we want to change the FSPTCA, or the proposed regulations for e-cigarettes, we'll have to wait until they come out and write our congressmen asking them to amend certain parts. I'm not opposed to doing that as well.Well then we may see the black lungs pic and the famous "This product is not a safe alternative to cigarettes" warning on eliquid.
My right to make a choice how I defend myself, my health, that right…is my own. I don't recognize a government authority to write itself a scrip on my behalf, deny or constrain my available choices and charge me for the privilege. Absurd. I don't plead or negotiate. That is consent.
Conviction wins.
That's two.
Good luck all.
Conviction wins.
That's two.
Good luck all.
This is why without large amounts of money I don't believe anyone will listen or care.
It isn't just CA, 46 other states made the same MSA agreement / deal & are in the same position.
It isn't just CA, 46 other states made the same MSA agreement / deal & are in the same position.
Indeed, and I keep wondering if it's enough. For me it probably is, but I doubt it's enough for everyone.Bravo!
Spoken like a Man who has Many Liters of Nicotine Base in a Freezer.
Right, at best we could hope to induce some cognitive dissonance in them.BTW - I see No Problems getting Senators/Senator to back your "Such authority simply does not exist!" position. And I'm sure their Money givers will Quickly Fall In Line also.
Indeed, and I keep wondering if it's enough. For me it probably is, but I doubt it's enough for everyone.
That's why you need to Support the 2nd Amendment. So when Supplies of Liquid e-Liquids are Banned, and All there is sold is Closed Ssytem Cartridges, you can Fend Off the Marauding Bands of Nic Base Raiders.
Right, at best we could hope to induce some cognitive dissonance in them.
Were Talking about the Same group of People, Right?
The word "Cognitive" is Seldom used in the Same Sentence as the word "Senators". Unless it precluded by a Modifier like "Non".
Nah, the only nic base raiders I'm concerned with are those in Leviathan's employ.
OK, you got me there.
I just wanna say i wish you the best if you make a petition.
For us europeans EFVI did a huge try for it, but we failed to reach the quota by quite a margin.
We collected more than 181.000 signatures, but sadly we needed to reach 1 milion to get our voice heard.
Check my signature link if you wanna read about it.
For us europeans EFVI did a huge try for it, but we failed to reach the quota by quite a margin.
We collected more than 181.000 signatures, but sadly we needed to reach 1 milion to get our voice heard.
Check my signature link if you wanna read about it.
I'm stocking on these, how do you guys like my walk-in humidor?
Surely after your nic base becomes completely stale you'll want a few of these......
Surely after your nic base becomes completely stale you'll want a few of these......
I'm stocking on these, how do you guys like my walk-in humidor?
Surely after your nic base becomes completely stale you'll want a few of these......
Owh did you just....
Oh you did.
Whoa!
Four pages already?
Lessifer, next time you tell me you can't write well, I'm calling BS on you. Nice job! Only thing I can think of right now is to add "concerned citizen" to this part, "... including users of vapor products, ex-smokers, current smokers, and friends and family of smokers..." Now back to page one to read the thread, lol.
Four pages already?
Lessifer, next time you tell me you can't write well, I'm calling BS on you. Nice job! Only thing I can think of right now is to add "concerned citizen" to this part, "... including users of vapor products, ex-smokers, current smokers, and friends and family of smokers..." Now back to page one to read the thread, lol.
Sometimes I do okay. I'm not positive on the format of everything, and I really could use some help linking to studies to back up the separate points, and any other suggestions.
Nothing profound to add at the moment. Do like the suggestion of adding something about the flavors and so on that you've said you do plan to add.
Not arguing with you but nicotine is used as a drug for some illnesses. It can also be derived from other sources including the Duboisia hopwoodii shrub. Just easier/more cost effective to do it from the tobacco plant. But I bet these political idiots don't even know they eat nicotine almost every day and will test positive for it in their systems.
The petition may not be successful but may make some sit up and take notice. May also make some vapers more aware. Even if it "fails," I see it as a win.
Not arguing with you but nicotine is used as a drug for some illnesses. It can also be derived from other sources including the Duboisia hopwoodii shrub. Just easier/more cost effective to do it from the tobacco plant. But I bet these political idiots don't even know they eat nicotine almost every day and will test positive for it in their systems.
The petition may not be successful but may make some sit up and take notice. May also make some vapers more aware. Even if it "fails," I see it as a win.
I'm surprised you don't have a string of links from people already. I'd say I'd look, and I will, but the guys that seem to be really on top of this stuff are the ones that hang out in the media, legislation, FDA, etc. threads. I'll start combing through them.
Yea it's quite hillarious that they're eating tomatoes, potatoes and what not...
They all contain nicotine...
hypocrites.
Yeah, I hang out there, and I've posted quite a few in my day... but silly me doesn't keep them handy. I'm pretty good at finding them when I need them though, just a bit of grunt work.
Question though, if I'm referencing a study by Dr. F do you think it would be better to cite the actual study, or one of his blog posts where he digests the study, that also contains a link to the study itself?
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