Wow, the flavor difference between a cartomizer vs. Vivi Nova is insane...

[cedric212]

This whole Vivi Nova thing is a user driven marketing dream. Those things are pure garbage yet everyone praises them. People that are 3 months into vaping and pass off products like this, as being the best out there, and have no idea what they are talking about. This forum specifically is littered with horrible information because of that. Its really annoying, and sad to think so many people buy these and have no idea how horrible the taste is compared to other delivery methods.

I have done it all, and as dripping has always yielded the best taste and hit, but its not feasible for most days/occasions.

Anyone that swears a Vivi Nova is the greatest thing out there, take $8 out of your budget and buy a REAL Vision Rebuildable Clearo, the newer ones with the V carved into them, fill it with your juice, and tell me the taste, draw, and hit arent FAR superior, then... yeah.. all hope is lost.

Im not trying to be a negative Nancy, but people backing devices that seemingly suck compared to other methods, really throws alot of people off.

Huh? REAL Vision Rebuildable Clearo? Are you referring to Stardust? How could it be better than VVN since it uses the same top coil/wick tank system design?

As for VVN, 3-4 months ago it's considered to be the best of its class; good VFT, user friendly, reliable, can be cheaply rebuild/mod. Granted that the flavor is somewhat muted compared to using cartos/atty (dripping is still the best), but I consider the difference to be negligible when vaping higher PG based eliquids on my VVN w/ cotton batten wick. For my Boba's, I modded a VVN head specifically for dripping before receiving my PhoenixRBA clone. Since I DIY my daily vape nowadays (70PG/30VG peppermint menthol), any flavor difference can also be easily overcome by adjusting the flavoring %.

It's all a matter of personal preference and finding the best delivery setup to meet your needs. Personally, I can't stand cartos due to its inconsistencies in workmanship (2/5 Boge LR DOA) and the harsh taste from the polyfill as a result of dry hit. A DOA carto goes straight to the trash. Once a burnt taste sets in or when it changes/looses flavor due to the coils being gunked up (I vape sweet ejuices), it goes into the trash. With a VVN, I can rebuilt a head in <60 sec and switch the cotton wick in <30 sec, and it costs me for the necessary materials.

To me, I prefer to use something that allows me to repair/mod in order to achieve a consistent vaping experience instead of keep on paying more $$$ into a delivery system and hope that the consistency it provides will last. With everything said, I tend to recommend Kanger T3 and Boge cartos more often to new vapers for them to try and decide especially if they don't want the hassle of dealing with rebuild/mod. As much as I love my VVN, they just aren't for everyone. With all the new affordable RBA/Genny-style clones coming out from China and brilliant mods like Toddiod, it's just a matter of time to retire my loyal and reliable VVN.

 

[squire7]

How does the rejuvenator compare to a gen type atty? I haven't tried it,,can you use it with a tank?

 

[Butters78]

This whole Vivi Nova thing is a user driven marketing dream. Those things are pure garbage yet everyone praises them. People that are 3 months into vaping and pass off products like this, as being the best out there, and have no idea what they are talking about. This forum specifically is littered with horrible information because of that. Its really annoying, and sad to think so many people buy these and have no idea how horrible the taste is compared to other delivery methods.

I have done it all, and as dripping has always yielded the best taste and hit, but its not feasible for most days/occasions.

Anyone that swears a Vivi Nova is the greatest thing out there, take $8 out of your budget and buy a REAL Vision Rebuildable Clearo, the newer ones with the V carved into them, fill it with your juice, and tell me the taste, draw, and hit arent FAR superior, then... yeah.. all hope is lost.

Im not trying to be a negative Nancy, but people backing devices that seemingly suck compared to other methods, really throws alot of people off.

Who peed in your wheaties? I like the vivi nova myself. I know it's not for everyone but you don't have to call it garbage. That may be hurtful to some people.

By the way pbusardo sure does like them and I'll bet that he has tried a few more devices than you have.

 

[zapped]

Who peed in your wheaties? I like the vivi nova myself. I know it's not for everyone but you don't have to call it garbage. That may be hurtful to some people.

By the way pbusardo sure does like them and I'll bet that he has tried a few more devices than you have.

Pbusardo isnt saying they are the best out there either. I like watching his videos because he gives the pros and cons for each device he tries without any bias.

Vivi Novas are convenient and easy to use and rebuild but they do mute the taste of juices in comparison to a carto tank setup. The people chiming in here saying they hate cartos is because theyve never tried them in a tank, theyve only used them solo and thats misinforming people whether thats their intentions or not.

You shouldnt knock something unless youve tried it.Ive tried the Vivi Nova and a Phiniac with a pre-punched carto and guess which one Im using now

 

[Butters78]

I used to use carto tanks exclusively but the bogegate really ...... me off. I really want to try genisis style because a lot of people swear by them.

 

[epage]

The more I listen to folks, I'm glad to have gotten so much good advice from many different people here on ECF. Initially, the Vivi's are what I've used, but being so new to the vaping experience, I'm very open to trying as much hardware as possible. I've ordered a carto/tank and hope to get it by the weekend, and I'm excited about trying it out.

 

[warmturkey]

I've never vaped a punched carto tank, so I can't comment on how good or bad they are, but when I first started vaping I used a lot of cartomizers and absolutely hated them, they were good for the first fill, maybe 2, and that was it. After that it was all burnt filler taste and switching flavors was impossible without the last flavor blending into the next. I can't imagine a carto with holes in it sitting in a tank of juice being too much different. I mean, I can see how they can deliver more flavor than a wick/clearo system, since the coil of a carto is right up against the juice soaked filler, rather than a wick that slowly pulls the juice up to the coil leaving the heavier elements (flavor) at the bottom of your tank (that's probably why the juice gets darker as it gets to the bottom), BUT AT WHAT COST, MAN!

After cartos, I found myself strictly direct dripping on de-bridged 510 attys, and this was by far the best flavor and throat hit I've gotten, period. However, this was a pain in the ... for everyday vaping. Too much maintenance, too much extra stuff to carry around, too much of an accident risk on long car rides, and I hated having to refill every 5-10 minutes when I wanted to chain vape.

After a short break from vaping followed by a subsequent return to analogs, I started vaping again a few months ago with ego t's and then ego c's, because I liked the convenience of a days supply of vaping in one fill will with cheap replaceable attys. I quickly realized this was a step backwards because of the leaky mess, small size of the tanks, and similar atty maintenance to dripping/carts, but harder to clean. I needed to find another way.

Recently, I've finally discovered clearomizers, and IMO it's the best of all worlds! I've got a stardust, a kanger T3, and a vision splitfire, all 3 have their pros and cons, and as expected, none are as good as direct dripping FVT wise (and maybe cartos too), but for sure it's the most convenient way to vape. Great, fairly consistent, all day-one fill vaping, no mess/leaks, easy to clean/maintain, with cheap replaceable parts. I get dry hits and wicking issues occasionally, which seems to most peoples main complaint with these, but it's easily remedied by simply giving the wicks a little time to wick. And the FVT is nice enough to satisfy me.

I haven't tried a vivi nova yet, but I imagine it's not much different from my splitfire performance wise, which I absolutely love, despite the pain in the ... it is to re-thread the wicks for cleaning. After clearomizers and my bad experience with cartos, I can't see myself investing in a carto tank. I mean, it's just a carto with more juice available, right?

Anyway, these are just my feelings based on my own experience. Your needs and preferences may vary.

 

[graybuck]

A carto tank (IBTanked) system is very different than a straight carto. The Jtank and IBTanked systems I have are very nice and the flavor is good. The stand alone cartos to me are a bit of a PIA to keep filled. I don't think the flavor difference is huge between them but the ease of use is a big plus for the Tanks.

 

[tc1]

Saying Novas are garbage and the only people using them are noobs who haven't experienced anything better yet is both shortsighted and false.

Nearly every popular reviewer on youtube has tried them and most liked them in their review. In fact, several of them still openly use them while doing reviews for other products ... and you want me to believe they don't know better? People who try nearly everything out on the market ... don't have a clue? Yeah .... ok.

This is all subjective and there are surely people who don't like certain products. But just because YOU don't like a certain product doesn't make your opinion fact and other people clueless.

Btw ... a Vision Clearomizer IS a Vivi Nova .. the only difference is the size and shape of the tank. The innards are exactly the same, made by the same company.

 

[Butters78]

Saying Novas are garbage and the only people using them are noobs who haven't experienced anything better yet is both shortsighted and false.

Nearly every popular reviewer on youtube has tried them and most liked them in their review. In fact, several of them still openly use them while doing reviews for other products ... and you want me to believe they don't know better? People who try nearly everything out on the market ... don't have a clue? Yeah .... ok.

This is all subjective and there are surely people who don't like certain products. But just because YOU don't like a certain product doesn't make your opinion fact and other people clueless.

Btw ... a Vision Clearomizer IS a Vivi Nova .. the only difference is the size and shape of the tank. The innards are exactly the same, made by the same company.

That's what I'm saying..

 

[struckus]

I love my vivi's..convenience is top notch and I find the hit and flavour to be great..sure I may be a relative newbie but they make me happy and well that's all I care about frankly..

 

[Butters78]

I love my vivi's..convenience is top notch and I find the hit and flavour to be great..sure I may be a relative newbie but they make me happy and well that's all I care about frankly..

As long as it is doing a good job that's all that matters. Like Pbusardo says the equipment that works for you and keeps you off cigarettes is the best out there.

 

[zapped]

Novas have more than a few things going for them.

First is price, at 12.99 even vapers on a budget can afford at least one.

Second is convenience.Being able to unscrew the caps and change the heads to different ohms is awesome.

Third is really part of number 2 and thats refilling juice.Nothing could be simpler, just unscrew the top cap and pour it right in.

Fourth is being able to clean them quickly and change out juices on the fly.

Those arent opinions.If you do some research you'll soon realize those are facts.

That being said, if you have the opportunity get your favorite juice and fill a Vivi Nova and then fill a carto tank, preferably pyrex with a good pre-punched carto like Smoktek resurrectors or Ikenvape platinums and then vape them at the same voltage.

Youre going to get more flavor from a carto tank and there wont be any burnt or dry hits from the setups I mentioned here if you prime it properly. Carto tanks are a little harder to use with more of a learning curve to them but if you ask around there are plenty of veterans and newbs alike who will back those statements up.

I think that makes that a fact as well.

 

[tc1]

I don't even think carto tanks have a bigger learning curve honestly. Outside of atomizers priming is a good habit for all other wicking devices.

Punching a carto is about as simple of a task as changing heads on a Nova really. RBAs are really the only devices I think have a significant learning curve. (Nova/Clearo as well if you rebuild)

My recommendation for a new member has always come down to whether or not they feel like buying cartos consistently. If they don't want to purchase cartos over the long haul then obviously its not the option they should consider for the time being.

 

[noi_max]

I don't even think carto tanks have a bigger learning curve honestly. Outside of atomizers priming is a good habit for all other wicking devices.

Punching a carto is about as simple of a task as changing heads on a Nova really. RBAs are really the only devices I think have a significant learning curve. (Nova/Clearo as well if you rebuild)

My recommendation for a new member has always come down to whether or not they feel like buying cartos consistently. If they don't want to purchase cartos over the long haul then obviously its not the option they should consider for the time being.

This has been my thought so far. I'm sold on a carto-tank concept simply from the glowing reviews, but I went to a clearo to get away from constantly buying cartos.. but I haven't tried a carto in a tank yet...

If I clean and dry-burn etc.. regular maintenance I can get these heads to last quite a while it seems. The bang for the buck factor is really there.

Ah well I'll proabbly get a tank-carto setup just to see what the fuss is all about. Perhaps you'll see me here making a similar thread haha!

 

[zapped]

Good news for ya then...you wont be replacing cartos nearly as much with a tank system.The theory behind it is that the cartos last longer because they are constantly wet.

With my Smokteks I can get anywhere from 2 weeks to a month before having to replace them and its not from them burning out. Sometimes the filler material inside will absorb so much liquid that they swell and a gentle tap will cause them to separate from the flange at the bottom of the tank.They still work and could probably be saved by boiling them more often but I just toss them at that point and start a fresh one.

 

[Butters78]

Like I said guys was what really messed me up was bogegate.

I have all the goodies. Two Phiniacs (one is a custom of butters heh), bella tank, mini sub, liquinator, carto puncher from cov. Just scared to order again. I probably won't go with boges due to what happened. Unless I hear glowing reports. I heard a good report about the Stormy's. That stormy had them custom made under their specifications for their site.

I do still have my bella in action with some old school 3.0 boge, I have like 4 left, I use my unflavored in them cause they last longer heh.

 

[donnah]

I rewick/recoil my VN heads with strips off of a cotton ball and vaping it side by side with a carto in a tank (same exact juice) I get two different vapes. I love the flavor that they both give. The VN (to me) gives a "cleaner" flavor. The carto in a tank gives me a "fuller" vape. I love and use both.

 

[Ansah]

Interesting discussion. I'm vaping with a Boge LR510 right now and it's lovely, and am awaiting my first Vivi Nova in the mail. After I try that, I might have an opinion.

 

[wyojoe]

Novas have more than a few things going for them.

First is price, at 12.99 even vapers on a budget can afford at least one.

Second is convenience.Being able to unscrew the caps and change the heads to different ohms is awesome.

Third is really part of number 2 and thats refilling juice.Nothing could be simpler, just unscrew the top cap and pour it right in.

Fourth is being able to clean them quickly and change out juices on the fly.

Those arent opinions.If you do some research you'll soon realize those are facts.

That being said, if you have the opportunity get your favorite juice and fill a Vivi Nova and then fill a carto tank, preferably pyrex with a good pre-punched carto like Smoktek resurrectors or Ikenvape platinums and then vape them at the same voltage.

Youre going to get more flavor from a carto tank and there wont be any burnt or dry hits from the setups I mentioned here if you prime it properly. Carto tanks are a little harder to use with more of a learning curve to them but if you ask around there are plenty of veterans and newbs alike who will back those statements up.

I think that makes that a fact as well.

Very good post. I will add that they are the easiest to clean and dry burn the coil to make it like new again, because you can just take a water cleaned and dried VN coil and it will screw directly to any 510 battery connector and you can see the dry burn very well and not need to reassemble it into a cartomizer to do a dry burn like most other types. I think maybe some of the other posters have a good point on flavoring being filtered out of the juice so maybe If you cut the wick short so it just touches the side of the tank it will not filter the juice as much. I have been using the Viva Nova for a month and it works better and easier to clean and dry burn of anything I have used in 2 years of vaping. I will try cutting the wicks and see what difference it makes, It kind of makes sense. Worth trying anyway. It just will require me to tip it down and roll the e-juice in the wick and it would keep any flooding to a minimum being its not wicking all the time like with the long wick. Just a thought.