Wow, the flavor difference between a cartomizer vs. Vivi Nova is insane...
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Id be willing to bet money that youre using higher pg blends where the difference isnt going to be as noticeable. Im not trying to sell you anything, Im just stating my extensive experience on the subject.If it works for you great! Others arent having the same luck though.
You might want to look at his recent videos on youtube.Every one Ive ever seen he's using a carto tank. Was using one at Vapercon as well
Im not knocking the Novas at all but if youre using higher vg juices like Hype (one of Phils favorites) theres a drastic difference in taste between them and a carto tank. Not so much with higher pg blends IMO and I think thats due to well documented wicking issues with any clearomizer out there.
I know people are calling a Vivi Nova a tank because of the tube but at its hearts its still a clearo in the way it wicks juice.
Here's his latest video. An update on the evic and it looks like he's using a nova to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF9OIuGhhIM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Lol for some reason I knew this was going to happen.I didnt say he NEVER used a nova, I said that when I saw him at Vapercon he was using a carto tank and in MOST of his videos.
I could easily look on there and find one with a carto tank so that proves nothing.Its also interesting to note that hes using the vivi nova to review a device instead of a juice.
YOU might not notice a difference in flavor, SOME do.
Ive even offered you reasons why that could be happening but youre taking it personal when it isnt meant that way at all.
Enough people have chimed in here with similar experiences to validate that a Vivi Nova mutes the flavor of certain juices. Stop being insulted by the truth, no ones attacking your or the Nova (which I think is a great device for its price point)
For me, and my preference in juices, it just doesnt perform on par with a carto tank. Thats whats great about vaping right now, all the choices available out there that werent 3 years ago.
I could easily look on there and find one with a carto tank so that proves nothing.Its also interesting to note that hes using the vivi nova to review a device instead of a juice.
YOU might not notice a difference in flavor, SOME do.
Ive even offered you reasons why that could be happening but youre taking it personal when it isnt meant that way at all.
Enough people have chimed in here with similar experiences to validate that a Vivi Nova mutes the flavor of certain juices. Stop being insulted by the truth, no ones attacking your or the Nova (which I think is a great device for its price point)
For me, and my preference in juices, it just doesnt perform on par with a carto tank. Thats whats great about vaping right now, all the choices available out there that werent 3 years ago.
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Lol I think you have me confused with someone else. I haven't mentioned anything about flavor etc not in this thread. I've mostly stated I switched due to bogegate. I just filled a carto tank tonight with some Arnold Palmer. I still like carto tanks just need to find better cartos right now I'm trying kanger horizontal.
Not confused, but looking back on my post I can see how you'd have that impression. Its late and I need some sleep. The original post was about the flavor difference between a Vivi Nova and a carto tank.I didnt quote you because my reply wasnt just directed at you.
This part isnt directed at you either, but I find it kind of funny that newer vapers like to try to end a discussion on the forums by saying "Grimmgreen or Pbusardo, etc uses them all the time" when thats not always entirely accurate and chances are theyve never even met them or vaped with them in person.
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Ha ok bro, good times. I don't take much water to any Grimmgreen reference. The man can't even rebuild a phoenix lol.
Grimms a nice guy, he was dressed as Spiderman at Vapercon for the costume contest and I was Wolverine so naturally we hung out a bit.
I met him at the first ever Vapefest in Fredericksburg Va and talked and drank for awhile then too.
If you ever get a chance to go to one I highly recommend it. One of the first things you realize is that these guys are just normal people like the rest of us.
Its also a GREAT place to talk shop, see what devices everyone is using, try some different juices and oogle hot vape babes/dudes (if thats your thing)
I met him at the first ever Vapefest in Fredericksburg Va and talked and drank for awhile then too.If you ever get a chance to go to one I highly recommend it. One of the first things you realize is that these guys are just normal people like the rest of us.
Its also a GREAT place to talk shop, see what devices everyone is using, try some different juices and oogle hot vape babes/dudes (if thats your thing)
Ha good times. I may go to one next year, supposed to be a big one here in Texas. Hopefully Busardo and Green will be there. Would be fun to meet some people face to face that I talk to on here. Naturally I'll wear a butters t-shirt so everyone recognizes me.
I think the Gennys as you call them, definitely taste better than a clearo.IMO thats a HUGE jump and carto tanks fit perfectly in the middle providing more flavor with certain juices than a clearo/ clearo tank (which a vivi nova is) and less 'fiddliness" for those who arent as handy or want something more consistent right out of the package.
If I had to rate juice delivery systems from lowest to highest in flavor it would be cartos, clearo/clearo tanks, carto tanks, rbas and dripping.
Oddly enough price seems to match that with the exception of dripping which isnt at all practical for most of us anyway
If I had to rate juice delivery systems from lowest to highest in flavor it would be cartos, clearo/clearo tanks, carto tanks, rbas and dripping.
Oddly enough price seems to match that with the exception of dripping which isnt at all practical for most of us anyway
My experiences so far exactly mirror your observations - this is why I'm trying a taifun and a spheroid when they arrive in the vapemail!- using a polyfill juice holder and short wicks to the coil hoping to sort this out - also considering plain ol' cartomisers in a tank - which ironically is something I just havent got round to trying yet!
This has been my experience pretty much word for word. To be honest I used a vivi for a trip to Memphis and it did ok for the weekend. I was mindful to keep tipping but even then I got a few nasty drags off of it. Once I got my Phiniac and some smok cartos I couldn't believe the difference in flavor. The vivis might be a cheaper alternative but I'm glad I made the switch.
How is it any less of a tank than a carto tank simply because of how it wicks? I call vivi novas a tank because when I say the word tank I picture something that holds naked juice with no filler for it to soak in.
Have you ever tried a carto tank? Some of us are making the distinction because when people hear that 'The ViVi Nova is the best tank out there" they might not even try a carto tank which is a shame because for some people and certain juices it might work better. I know it does for me and Ive tried them both side by side with a number of juices.
The first popular "tank" out there was an EGO-T that held liquid that dripped directly onto an atomizer through gravity (and is the only one that really fits your definition of a tank)
Then modders took a test tube or plastic tube, added end caps and poked holes in their cartomizers to make what a lot of us veterans refer to when we say "tank". Slotting or punching the cartomizer and putting it inside a tank pretty much eliminated dry hits and extended the life of the carto by a pretty decent amount. That was an innovation that was pioneered right here in the ECF modders forum.
At its heart a Vivi Nova is an oversized clearomizer, albeit a lot more user friendly and convenient than the originals. If you want to be technical about it its a clearo tank and suffers from the same wicking issue with heavier juices that every clearomizer does.It was pioneered by Vision in China and is great system for the money and for the ease of use but its not the only tank out there nor the first.
Making the distinction is important to those that might prefer one system over the other based on their juice preferences.
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I've only tried cartos. Not carto tanks.
I also never said vivi novas are the best juice delivery tools. I only have said that they do the job for me and I am not eager to get into the realm of carto tanks. When I do try something a little more adviced it will probably be a rebuildable.
I'm aware of the origin of vision and that doesn't bother me, although I'm getting my Provari today and my juices are all usa made and I'd love to have a nice high quality usa made tank to put on top.
I guess I am still thinking of what a "tank" can mean outside of the political correctness of the vaping world.
But I agree on behalf of not secluding others from trying better things. If everyone said "a titan 510 is the best ecig" left and right others would never dive into the beautiful world of tube mods.
Edit: But I won't lie, I have been lusting over IBtanked's website. Those are absolutely stunning.
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I have used the carto tanks and they work very well and do indeed make a cartomizer last longer than using the carto by itself with no tank.
I also use the Viva Nova and it works very well for me too. I do like the VN for ease of use compared to the carto/tank. I personalty Can't tell a big difference in taste between the 2 systems, but I only use 2 different juices. So there may be a bit more flavor to my juices with the carto/tank, but I would not call it a huge difference. This has been my experience. Happy Vaping to all of you.
I also use the Viva Nova and it works very well for me too. I do like the VN for ease of use compared to the carto/tank. I personalty Can't tell a big difference in taste between the 2 systems, but I only use 2 different juices. So there may be a bit more flavor to my juices with the carto/tank, but I would not call it a huge difference. This has been my experience. Happy Vaping to all of you.
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