So i have the kr808d that i got from V4L and i was just using the prefilled cartos from them which had way to much TH for me and not enough flavor or vapor. After going back to analogs for about a week i figured i would try again. So i ordered some blank cartos from Litecigusa and ordered some juice from Velvetvapors. And wow what a difference. Way more flavor and vapor. I ordered the 3ml sample pack from velvetvapors and i got all the same flavor just got them in different nic levels and bases so i could figure out what works for me. Turns out the VG 12mg is exactly what i am looking for. Good flavor, hardly no TH and LOTS of vapor. Glad i tried again, hopefully i can kick the analogs this time.