xc-116 nextel ceramic wick/sleeve

[Shanehar Allmighty]

So, i'm new to rba. Infact i have never even built one. My rba is still on the way. I have been vaping for about 6 months using exclusively vivi novas and boge cartos. i have been doing extensive research over the past few days and have determined a few things.

1) silica and ceramic are not the same
2) some vape sites are making a tidy profit on xc-116.

i wanted to reply to this thread for pdib. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tems/416313-xc-116-ceramic-wick-question.html

but i'm a newb and cant. So here is what i have to share. You can get xc-116 nextel ceramic sleeve from omega for $2.25/foot plus $8 shipping (ups standard) and a minimum order of 10' works out to about $3.05 a foot. much cheaper than the $7/foot i have seen on the vape sites. per that thread where pdib says about $1 a wick @ 1.5" you can get that down to about $0.38/wick. not bad if you ask me.

Just thought i'd share. here is a link Nextel Braided Ceramic Very High Temperature Sleeving

 

[dmazyn]

The issue about getting this from Omega is it is not heat treated so all the chemicals the x-116 is treated with is not good to vape. You have to heat the xc-116 in a kilm to 1200 F to burn off the extra stuff before using.

 

[Shanehar Allmighty]

The issue about getting this from Omega is it is not heat treated so all the chemicals the x-116 is treated with is not good to vape. You have to heat the xc-116 in a kilm to 1200 F to burn off the extra stuff before using.

A propane torch is a tool for burning the flammable gas propane (C₃H₈). The maximum adiabatic flame temperature a propane torch can achieve with air is1,995 °C (3,623 °F).

from Propane torch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

so if a propane torch can reach over 3kf in normal air. you should be able to cut a piece of wick torch it till it glows and be set. in the spirit of diy i would be inclined to suggest that this is a reasonable trade off to save some $

 

[Shopan]

RBA Supplies no blow torch and samples...

 

[rockk973]

Hey everyone what's going on ? I really don't write reviews much but this stuff is great . I received 2 feet of treated xc116 , it wicks awesome and is the cleanest taste out of silica or echowool. Its the perfect thickness and very strong to build coils makes it very easy . But so clean flavor and I'm using 100% VG. I'm rebuilding everything I have with this stuff . Just wanted to give my review.

 

[retired1]

Moved to Rebuildable Atomizer Systems

 

[Krprice84]

A propane torch is a tool for burning the flammable gas propane (C₃H₈). The maximum adiabatic flame temperature a propane torch can achieve with air is1,995 °C (3,623 °F).

from Propane torch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

so if a propane torch can reach over 3kf in normal air. you should be able to cut a piece of wick torch it till it glows and be set. in the spirit of diy i would be inclined to suggest that this is a reasonable trade off to save some $

Just FYI but this stuff is supposed to be treated at between 1200 and 1850 degrees for TWELVE (12) hours straight, in a kiln. Heating it with a propane torch for a minute is NOT going to do the same thing, even with the torch being somewhat hotter. If you want to risk it, go ahead, but it isn't just about the taste, it's about some pretty nasty stuff thats in the makeup of the material. You need to cook it for that long because the toxic/nasty stuff is very heat resistant etc, so it isn't just a matter of burning it off quickly, like it would be with a nylon centre thread on stainless steel rope... it's a matter of breaking down a component of the wick itself and burning that off. It takes a lot of heat for a long time to burn this stuff off.... i really wouldn't be risking it if i were you, but hey, i'm not you, so go ahead

but i just did want to make this post because you're post implies that torching this stuff is an acceptable alternative to a kiln treatment for 12 hours - it isn't - it isn't even close. You're going to seriously be risking your health and safety if you try this method.

I have ten feet of this stuff coming to me early next week and it's going to be tough to not use it, but i won't be putting it anywhere near my PV or my atomizers until i can find someone who will treat it in a kiln for me. And this is coming from someone who wouldn't usually be too worried about what goes into the ol' body....just not worth it with this stuff though

 

[Phone Guy]

How about tossing it in the oven 500 degrees for half a day?

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[hooligan333]

Say, boys this feller might be on to something. Hell why not just microwave it those things get p. hot right?

 

[metamorpheus]

Don't use this stuff without treatment with a kiln. I've talked with Steve from SnG and when he used this stuff without kiln treatment it made him sick for a week. You must maintain high temps for an extended time and properly vent the gases that the sizing releases when it's burned off.

Properly treated nextel is indeed a very versatile wick and a favorite of mine but let's be safe about this and not risk our health to save a few bucks. I love that my local vape shop stocks this stuff at the same price as SnG as Steve is their wholesale guy. Saves me the wait and s/h costs.

 

[bustabo]

The stuff from rbasupplies is good to use right??

Edit...

Yes I'm an idiot and should have read their page before I ordered and realized its treated correctly....


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[ch1naski]

Say, boys this feller might be on to something. Hell why not just microwave it those things get p. hot right?

In case you aren't joking, no that will not work. Conventional oven will not get it hot enough, and microwave ovens will not heat it at all.

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[Phone Guy]

Well crap...I've got some untreated On the way.....looks like I'm stuck now and can't use it. I don't have a kiln! And I'm not buying a kiln just for a wick that's unproven to me.

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[spaceman84]

Been using my xc-116 from rba supplies for a couple weeks now. No ill effects, still tastes great, not even discolored.

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[BobbyDidge]

Been using my xc-116 from rba supplies for a couple weeks now. No ill effects, still tastes great, not even discolored.

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So I got some XC-116 from rba supplies and was all excited to try till I was making my first wick and noticed tons of tiny sparkles. That is fiber glass and that is going into your lungs... I'll stick with cotton or ekowool. Not cool... Haven't you heard of mesothelioma from asbestos, same thing.

 

[Technonut]

So I got some XC-116 from rba supplies and was all excited to try till I was making my first wick and noticed tons of tiny sparkles. That is fiber glass and that is going into your lungs... I'll stick with cotton or ekowool. Not cool... Haven't you heard of mesothelioma from asbestos, same thing.

XC-116 is safe to use if treated properly. (kiln-treated per 3M specs) Here is some info from 3M I posted in another thread:

Yeah, and here is 3M's own tech document stating that Nextel ceramic fibers exceeds 7 microns, and poses no inhalation dangers.

http://www.3m.com/market/industrial/...lth_safety.pdf



A control group similarly exposed to quartz (silica) dust developed lung granulomas and fibrosis. From this study it was
concluded that the potential for Nextel 312 Ceramic Fiber dust to cause pulmonary fibrosis or other significant lung
injury is minimal.


Although Nextel fibers are classified as ceramic fibers, they are manufactured in continuous lengths and have diameters(approximately 7 to 13 microns) which are not considered to be respirable by humans. Since they are
not considered to be respirable, inhalation exposure to Nextel 312, 440, 550, 610, or 720 fibers is not expected to pose carcinogenic risk to humans. They may, however, cause mechanical irritation of the nose and throat.

I'd be more worried about silica of unknown fiber diameter than XC-116...


I get no more nose or throat irritation with the XC-116 than German silica.. (which is no irritation at all )

 

[Tbev]

So when Joe VapeShop wants to make some money they buy it untreated, get somebody to tell them they treated it some how, then they all it as treated?

Or are they buying it from 3M, already treated?
How do you know if it's treated correctly, maybe the fire went out in the kiln early. Is there a way to test it?

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[Jimi D.]

I tried this stuff awhile back. Down right nasty ! I torched mine until it became brittle. I still noticed a green flame burning off the material. I vaped some and I got very sick feeling. Personally I'm not going to try this again. Treated or untreated. The chemicals are horrible.

 

[Technonut]

So when Joe VapeShop wants to make some money they buy it untreated, get somebody to tell them they treated it some how, then they all it as treated?

Or are they buying it from 3M, already treated?
How do you know if it's treated correctly, maybe the fire went out in the kiln early. Is there a way to test it?

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Here's some info from the vendor I use:


RBA Supplies LLC

 

[Technonut]

I tried this stuff awhile back. Down right nasty ! I torched mine until it became brittle. I still noticed a green flame burning off the material. I vaped some and I got very sick feeling. Personally I'm not going to try this again. Treated or untreated. The chemicals are horrible.

You must have used untreated wick... (torching does not treat it properly) In my 3 years of vaping, XC-116 is hands-down the cleanest tasting, best wicking, and most durable wicking material I've used. The next best to me is German silica.