Yay, everything failing at once...

[kalojado]

Okay, so since I started vaping on june 26th, I have used my m401. When I started I ordered 2 full kits and 2 extra attys. In the last 4 months, I have lost both chargers, they dont even pretend to charge anymore, and 3 of the 4 attys, with 1 just dying tonight. And before anyone asks, I have tried all the methods to revive the dead ones, and trust me, they are dead. I know I should be lucky they lasted this long, and I am, I just think that these things should last a little longer. I also have 2 full auto 901's with 2 extra manual batteries and they both have failed the past few days. I have only had these for about 2 months. It has gotten really weird the past few weeks. Some batteries would only work with a certain atty and the auto batteries seemed to be better than the manual batteries (which seems to be opposite of everything I hear). Although i liked the 901 better for vaping and flavor (when it worked) it did not seem as good a product as the 401. The 901 seemed kinda cheap to me. Both units I had have paint scraped off of them and I was able to totally strip one of the units of its paint all together. I don't know, they just didnt seem as sturdy as my 401s.

So now, I have ordered a 510 and it should be here tomorrow or the next day. I am kinda jonezing for a good vape, but am stuck using my 401 passthru and weak atty of the 401 and really am feeling a but unsure about my e-cig future. I do not want to go back to analogs, and do not see myself ever doing that (I have not even tried one since the first day I started this) but I am thinking that if these companies do not come out with some reliable equipment, they are going to begin losing customers. A lot of people have paid alot more than I have for this habit, and they deserve more than what we are getting. The way I see it, they need to classify these things as disposable and bring down the price, since they are not going to last more than a few months...

I mean, look at it this way, I paid $100 for my cell phone, and I use it all day, every day, and I expect it to last longer than a few months. It's kinda like some people on here just think we should live with the subpar products and look the other way and we "get what we pay for", but I do not agree. What do you all think?

(keep in mind i am really needing a good vape right now, and am upset and may not be in my right mind)

 

[Luv2CUSmile]

Kalojado,

I do see your point- I haven't had my 401 as long yet and I am still vaping away and very satisfied but I would be disappointed if one broke w/ no warning, died, whatever...
On the other hand... & I have to point this out...
If I paid (we'll use the high side) $50- for a kit that included a few carts, charger, batts and atty..., ordered ... oh, 10 different liquids for variety to refill my carts... equating to approx (again high side... $100-) and got through 2 mos on $150- before something dies on me and makes me have to buy another...
I am still to the good over what I would have spent on cigarettes and a lighter or three- as we all know those are very disposable...

So, I am with ya on being upset to lose equipment after 2 mos (especially since it appears you bought more than just one kit...) But, in researching all the products before you buy, reading reviews, etc- we all know there is a "lifetime span" on these things and unless you purchase from a supplier w/ a one year warranty/lifetime warranty... (and even those are "limited" and we all know that the suppliers that offer that type of warranty is as trustworthy as the equipment- AND takes forever IF they do decide to replace the items)... there are bound to be a few "mishaps" and need for equipment replacement...
You still have some liquid I am sure... Grab ya another kit for <$50- and get ya another 2 mos of not buying analogs and save yet another >$200- plus on not buying them...
Hope your night goes better- If I was close I would loan ya one of ours (alas, I have the Dragon and Sidesho... you may not find them to your liking by your comment)... But mine are operational... (I am knockin on wood)
Good Luck! There are a few good deals out there right now on attys too! I just ordered quite a few myself (preparing for when mine may take a nose dive...) Really, I hope you are up and running again soon!

 

[elpasobob]

Step up to a good mod and then all you gotta keep buying are some atomizers & juice, and 510 attys seem to last forever. Silver Bullet + 510 atomizers = very happy and non-frustrated me.

 

[NickWgnr]

I understand where you are coming from and it makes sense... But the way I look at it, it still costs way less than smoking analogues (atleast in my case... I use to spend $40 a week on analogues, my girlfriend didn't like that I smoked, my parents told me to quit whenever I talked to them) So with that in mind incurring some of these costs doesn't bother me at all. Sure it seems like alot of $ but in retrospect to smoking analogues your lungs/ general health will be better and your actually spending alot less. Even if a full setup (Titan 510 5x5 buy on TW w/ 1 30ml bottle) only lasts you 2 weeks (and I mean the atomizer and battery both die and you use the whole 30ml bottle) it costs $132... 5 full ecigs X2 weeks= 10weeks... 10weeks X $40= $400.... So im saving $268 just by using ecigs over 2 1/2 months.
And according your signature counter your on this path...
1 pack a day @$5 per pack... $35 per week on analogues
10weeks X $35= $350.... so your saving $218 over 2 1/2 months...
Its still alot better...
Sorry if I was beating a dead horse with all of that but that rationalizing through numbers really doesnt me car if things crap out on me.



Wagner

 

[kalojado]

No, you guys are right. I should look at the numbers, because I still am saving money. I am just bummed tonight because I need my e-cig fix and the stuff i have left is not doing it. I was also pointed out that the glossy seems to lose its paint, as the matte black does not. This does seem to be the issue in my case. The 901's were glossy. Guess I will stick to matte black from now on. If the 510 holds up and is sturdy, I am going to stick with it for now. We shall see...

 

[trog100]

they should be considered as semi disposable items..the price wont come down tho.. why should it..

e cigs were designed for light occasion use.. use them for the purpose they were designed for and they will last for a reasonable time...

use them for a purpose like all day and every day tobacco replacement and they wont last long...

the fault isnt with the product.. the fault is with the people that do not make clear what they are selling and the user who expects more from the product than it can deliver..

there was a whole thread about this less than week ago... its a waste of time saying it because nobody wants it known.. even the users.. he he

the big con continues.. and it aint only the people that sell e cigs that perpetuate it... its the evangelical users and this place.. everyone wants to sell e cigs to the world so the con continues..

they are semi disposable items when used all day and every day... treat them as such.. your costs will go up but your frustrations will go down..

trog

 

[TaketheRedPill]

you've been a non-smoker for over 110 days - that's quite an accomplishment. Your lungs are well on their way to being repaired and your cillia are regrowing. Within three months (and you're almost right there - 3wakeups left!!) your lung capacity can increase some 30%. Stay with it. You're doing it!


Did you used to have to chase down your lighter-Klepto-roomies for your lighters? I did! or dig thru the seats of your couch or car for one? isn't it nice to not even care if there's a lighter in the house?? And don't your hair and clothes (and breath) smell a lot better?


Keep it up! 3 more wakeups and you're at 3 months!!! Whoo hoo!!! WAY TO GO, YOU NON-SMOKER, YOU!!! Reward yourself on your 120th day with a special treat and celebrate - you've earned it!!

Hope this helps!

 

[Valkerie]

With my cell phone, I pay a $40+ maintenance fee every month, so comparing your cell to your e-cig is not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

Trog100 is absolutely right:

they should be considered as semi disposable items..the price wont come down tho.. why should it..

e cigs were designed for light occasion use.. use them for the purpose they were designed for and they will last for a reasonable time...

I chain vape. I buy at least 1 battery a month. And at least 3 attys, if not more. It's still cheaper than my pack and a half a day habit at $7.48 per pack. I like the M40X series and hate the manual batteries.

If you want better battery life, go to a mod...but I've heard of problems with mod life expectancies also. No offense to Trog100, from what I've read, his products are superior and carry a great guarantee.

I don't know why your chargers went dead. That's a new one on me.

As far as your attys, here's what I learned the hard way. I had a defective battery that took out about 7 attys. Since I had so many batteries in rotation, it took me a while to figure that out. Once I put that battery in my dead pile, I stopped blowing out attys frequently. Look for the battery that gets warm all the way down it's body. It's a dud. And it's a danger to your equipment.

E-cigs are a PIA as compared to regular cigarettes. Only because after 30 years of smoking - I knew exactly what to expect from the product.

But, I don't snore anymore. My skin looks better. I've yet to get a cold this season, even though hubby has has been sick. My allergies are not as bad. My breathing has gotten better. My house does not smell. And my walls have stopped turning yellow. I don't have to wipe down surfaces around where I used to smoke all the time.

My car doesn't smell all the time and I don't have to clean the windows as much.

I don't have to worry about burning my clothes. I'm not spending as much money.

The benefits of e-cigs - for me - far outweigh the negatives.

 

[Kavik79]

I agree with you rpoint completely kalojado.

It's got nothing to do with the fact that "well, they're still cheaper than cigarettes", that's not an apples to apples comparison either. I don't own a single electronic device that I expect to have to replace parts on monthly (besides batteries of course).

Regular chargers on other things usually outlive the usefulness of the device. Even the PCC's with the built in rechargable battery says it should last 200 charges, that's means something that is known to eventually die should still be lasting about 7 months, and you're saying 2 regular chargers have died in half that time??

I know it's not perfect to compare them to most other electronics either, since most things don't heat up like these do, and heat isn't good on electronics in general....but how about a soldering gun? I had a bettery operated one that's meant to heat up and cool down in a matter of a couple seconds, similar to theway an atty does. It stopped working after a few weeks and I returned it for a full refund...from what I read here, most people would expect this and accept it.

What we need is local companies that actually make these things, and stand behind the quality of them, rather than just importing them and shrugging when quality is questioned.

That's it for my rambling on your general point. Just a quick point on the specific of the peeling paint: With my matte 510, I dropped one of the batteries onto rough cement, scratched right through the paint down to bare metal, that was over a week ago and it hasn't chipped or peeled away from that scratch at all. I don't think I could strip this one with anything short of sandpaper. And on another side note, I've been vaping 3 weeks with 2 atty's and haven't lost either one yet *knock on wood*


Hopefully the 510 your getting will give better quality than the ones you've owned up to this point. Seems to be a roll of the dice sort of thing, but best of luck to ya

 

[SmokinScott]

My advice is to switch to a mod (either buy or build it yourself) and find a place that sells attys in bulk. Also, try different suppliers and models.

 

[yknotagain]

We are expecting a very small battery to do a very big job and a very tiny electrical coil to hold up to near constant heating and cooling. No comparison that I know of to anything else out there.

Yes, we're going to have a lot of failures expectedly.

 

[kalojado]

they should be considered as semi disposable items..the price wont come down tho.. why should it..

e cigs were designed for light occasion use.. use them for the purpose they were designed for and they will last for a reasonable time...

use them for a purpose like all day and every day tobacco replacement and they wont last long...

the fault isnt with the product.. the fault is with the people that do not make clear what they are selling and the user who expects more from the product than it can deliver..

there was a whole thread about this less than week ago... its a waste of time saying it because nobody wants it known.. even the users.. he he

the big con continues.. and it aint only the people that sell e cigs that perpetuate it... its the evangelical users and this place.. everyone wants to sell e cigs to the world so the con continues..

they are semi disposable items when used all day and every day... treat them as such.. your costs will go up but your frustrations will go down..

trog

Exactly, and these companies need to just get rid of the useless 1 year warranties. Just like when I bought my 401 kit, I seen the 1 year warranty and assumed that it covered everything, but when I emailed the chinese supplier, I was informed that the warranty did not apply to the chargers. its the old game of bait and switch and we all will continue to look the other way because quite simply, we need these things...

 

[kalojado]

We are expecting a very small battery to do a very big job and a very tiny electrical coil to hold up to near constant heating and cooling. No comparison that I know of to anything else out there.

Yes, we're going to have a lot of failures expectedly.

But as Trog said, we expect this because these companies make us think these products will last longer than they will.