Yet another explosion

[beckdg]

I would just like to see more consistent education from venders. Maybe a fact sheet given out with each mod and battery. I also like that some venders give out battery boxes when batteries are sold.

My fear is that education will be detrimental.

I've met far too many that have been "educated" by these establishments across the country.

And have been appalled by the ignorance multiplied by the hubris of the employees of these establishments just the same.

Tapatyped

 

[Lessifer]

You completely missed my point.

Why would I have to teach her?
How could she POSSIBLY NOT KNOW?

The fact that she doesn't know IS the point.
It's the entire point.

EDIT:
What you call user error I call failure to educate.
Hence the concept of different definitions.

User error, failure to educate, ignorance, same thing. No, ignorance is not stupidity. Whose failure is it that the person is not educated? Which link in the chain from mod manufacturer, to distributor, to vape shop, or online shop, or ebay account, or classified seller should the responsibility of educating the end user fall on?

I love it when shops try to teach their customers battery safety. The only person responsible for the acquisition of that knowledge, however, is the end user. Unless we want mandatory courses and licenses before we can purchase vape gear.

But you don't know what you don't know. That's true. It's still no ones fault but your own for you not knowing.

 

[kbeam418]

And what would you propose to replace the 18650's?? Pls don't say 26650 because those would take a finger or a hand off while so far we have seen mostly burns with the 18650's.

I'm saying the opposite . I only buy devices that have replaceable batteries. I'm just saying that's what might happen based on the history of lawsuits. That's one of the reason I bet Evolv chose LiPo packs over removable batteries.

LOL

Forgiven.

Makes more sense now.

ETA: Don't hammer Ed and kbeam too hard. They have good intentions.

Tapatyped

But I like being hammered, especially while driving .

 

[beckdg]

I'm saying the opposite . I only buy devices that have replaceable batteries. I'm just saying that's what might happen based on the history of lawsuits. That's one of the reason I bet Evolv chose LiPo packs over removable batteries.


But I like being hammered, especially while driving .

I try to only drive loaded myself.

Tapatyped

 

[homeuser6]

i wonder if there is any correlation between battery safety opinions and political affiliation.

 

[Ed_C]

i wonder if there is any correlation between battery safety opinions and political affiliation.

Do we really wanna go there?

 

[homeuser6]

just curious.

 

[beckdg]

i wonder if there is any correlation between battery safety opinions and political affiliation.

There's barely, if any, correlation between political affiliation and political affiliation.

Tell you what. I'll take no. You can take yes. And for the best chance of accuracy we can draw straws.

Tapatyped

 

[Bad Ninja]

i wonder if there is any correlation between battery safety opinions and political affiliation.

1/10.

Lets avoid going there.
Division along political lines hasnt worked for anyone now has it? I think most of us have had enough of that.


Its not Home Depot's responsibility to educate you on how to use a circular saw (skillsaw).
They will if you ask, but its not their responsibility, nor could you sue the manufacturer for misuse by an uneducated adult operator.
Its 100% on the adult user.

 

[Lessifer]

i wonder if there is any correlation between battery safety opinions and political affiliation.

I'm a liberal California democrat, and I believe battery safety is ultimately the consumer's responsibility. So, I'm going to go with No.

 

[Ed_C]

I don't totally agree with that. I think a vendor has some moral obligation to point out possible dangers if the product he sells has hazards that the average person is unaware of. Now I realize that this can introduce lots of gray area, but that's just the way the world is. Many people like to view the world in terms of black and white, but unfortunately this is not reality. If it were, we could get rid of 99% of all the lawyers. I'm not proposing lots of litigation, just better education. That being said, if a vendor sells low quality, low current, rewrapped batteries with a 200 watt mod and the customer get hurt, I have no problem with the customer suing the crap out of the vendor.

 

[Bad Ninja]

I don't totally agree with that. I think a vendor has some moral obligation to point out possible dangers if the product he sells has hazards that the average person is unaware of. Now I realize that this can introduce lots of gray area, but that's just the way the world is. Many people like to view the world in terms of black and white, but unfortunately this is not reality. If it were, we could get rid of 99% of all the lawyers. I'm not proposing lots of litigation, just better education. That being said, if a vendor sells low quality, low current, rewrapped batteries with a 200 watt mod and the customer get hurt, I have no problem with the customer suing the crap out of the vendor.

So every home depot employee must be an expert on every single tool as well as have intimate knowledge of every customers intelligence, skill, and have the tools to evaluate every buyer?
Wut?
I really dont think you thought this through.

 

[Ed_C]

So every home depot employee must be an expert on every single tool as well as have intimate knowledge of every customers intelligence, skill, and have the tools to evaluate every buyer?
Wut?
I really dont think you thought this through.

No
Reread what I wrote.

 

[LMS62]

I'm a liberal California democrat, and I believe battery safety is ultimately the consumer's responsibility. So, I'm going to go with No.

Sorry, but in today's society, there is no such thing as consumer responsibility or even personal responsibility any more. It is always the fault of someone else. In the vaping community, the response is always the same....blame the vendor.

 

[Bad Ninja]

No
Reread what I wrote.

Should I have only quoted the first two sentences?

I believe any reasonable adult would know better than to buy and attempt to operate a skillsaw without first knowing how to use it.

Adult critical thinking 101, and a good rule to live by if you like staying alive.

This is why Home Depot isnt liable leagally or morally if you buy a skillsaw and cut your hand off using it improperly.

Same applies to mods and batteries or any other tool.

 

[Cheallaigh]

SKIL Saw is a brand... circular saw is the type... why is a woman pointing this out? lmao

 

[Lessifer]

SKIL Saw is a brand... circular saw is the type... why is a woman pointing this out? lmao

Is there a reason why a woman shouldn't know more than a man about power tools?

 

[Cheallaigh]

Is there a reason why a woman shouldn't know more than a man about power tools?

hehehehehehehehehehehehe

 

[celticluvr]

SKIL Saw is a brand... circular saw is the type... why is a woman pointing this out? lmao

I was thinking that too.

 

[Ed_C]

Should I have only quoted the first two sentences?

I believe any reasonable adult would know better than to buy and attempt to operate a skillsaw without first knowing how to use it.

Adult critical thinking 101, and a good rule to live by if you like staying alive.

This is why Home Depot isnt liable leagally or morally if you buy a skillsaw and cut your hand off using it improperly.

Same applies to mods and batteries or any other tool.

That's where we differ. I don't believe most people have experience with or knowledge of mods and high drain batteries. I know I didn't before I came here and there's countless stories from people in this very forum that would seem to back that up. I was lucky enough to have stumbled onto the pertinent information on battery safety before I did something dangerous. On the other hand, your average person realizes that a saw cuts and if they don't, they should be under the care of another.

When dangers are not apparent we should warn others and not just laugh at their misfortune.