Yet another study on over exposure

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kakiser56

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http:// www. medindia. net/news/e-cigarette-vapor-inhalation-boosts-superbugs-and-dampens-immune-system-157269-1.htm

E-Cigarette Vapor Inhalation Boosts Superbugs and Dampens Immune System

Bet the same study using cigarette smoke would be even worse.
 
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"High dosages" but nothing in the article about what the dosages were, or the method of exposure. Infectious agents exposed to "Extracts" and "Concentrates" again no mention of the actual dosages. Here's a suggestion...
Why not try testing at real-world dosages, and exposure levels.
Do a baseline study using combustible cigarettes for comparison, and publish the actual results for BOTH, so people can make an honestly informed decision.
 

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Hmm... Then I wonder why I haven't had my 2-3 times a year (like clockwork) upper respiratory infections and/or bronchitis (or the flu, or a cold for that matter) since I started vaping in 2013. Weird how that happens...

But what do I know? I'm just an anecdote.
 

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Bet the same study using cigarette smoke would be even worse.
There was another study about a month ago. The cells exposed to cigarette smoke
all died almost immediately. The cells exposed to high rates of vapor even after
8 days had a minimum 30%(or pretty close) survival rate. The study's authors
still maintained this proved vaping was bad. Someone attempted to make an exposure
estimate based on time. I can't vouch for accuracy but his conjecture was 20 to 40
years of smoking roughly equates to 160 years or more to vaping before serious
damage was likely to occur.
Any truthful researcher will tell you exposing cells to just about any thing will
cause harm up into and including impure thoughts.
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I drive a school bus and when all of us ( about 40 drivers ) are lined up nose to tail at the high school with buses running to keep warm we're breathing in diesel fumes from the bus parked in front of us. I bet my exposure to these diesel fumes would kill some cells in a petri dish pretty quickly. I'd rather vape than breath diesel fumes.
 

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It is worth noting that the link is to a news site in India, which has been on the anti-vaping propaganda bandwagon for some time now.

I saw this posted on a pro-THR blog site somewhere (I thought it was Siegel's but I can't seem to find it). The gist is that continued exposure to e-cig vapor causes respiratory bacteria to become less susceptible to antibiotics. However, what is not mentioned in this article, is that this same thing happens with smoking, with a MUCH stronger effect, and something that has been known for years.
 

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Cannot access the full paper for free but I looked at the original abstract, which doesn't provide much experimental details. However, other former studies showed different results:
- Exposure to ecig vapor extracts does not promote significant cell death in vitro
- Lung exposure to vapor show minor changes in inflammatory makers relative to cigarettes exposure
- PG has anti-fungal and anti-bacterial properties

From the starting statement "20 % of Americans ages 25-44 now using these drug delivery devices" without mentioning that many also stopped cigarettes.

Cautious in their conclusion "These data suggest that e-cigarettes may be toxic to airway cells, suppress host defenses, and promote inflammation over time, while also promoting virulence of colonizing bacteria." Generalizing the conclusion to bacteria while the study was only performed on Staphylococcus aureus, which is also a part of normal flora...

I don't want to make it seem that vaping is risk free, but the substance of these studies are poorly informative and inconsistent with one another. Starting a study with the "Vaping is bad" premise is bias for the least and certainly not very original nor challenging...

Note that this paper is sold for $40, with 12 co-authors for such a limited study I wonder if all are well aware of the scientific details.... One thing is sure, the journal is expecting to make a profit on a hot topic...

Edit just to say that promoting inflammation and decreasing immunity are inconsistent with each other because infection, among other things (allergens...) promote inflammation. If vaping would decrease immunity, the expected result would be a decrease of inflammation, which could be expected since nicotine is an anti-inflammatory substance used to treat some inflammatory syndromes.... I hate that screwed science that everyone talks about like "The Scientists Found" like they are superior minds, and I've seen that trend in other topics. Thank you for breaking that link.
 
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Is this "Article" another Example of a Media Outlet putting their preferred Spin on a Study?

And is the article's Author making Implied Conclusions for the Reader by using Out of Context quotes from a Study that the Average user will not Read?
 

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Hmm... Then I wonder why I haven't had my 2-3 times a year (like clockwork) upper respiratory infections and/or bronchitis (or the flu, or a cold for that matter) since I started vaping in 2013. Weird how that happens...

But what do I know? I'm just an anecdote.

Strange I have not had a cold since I started vaping. Which was over 1 year ago.

Yeah... I did somehow manage to get a really stubborn bacterial sinus infection back in the fall, had to take a 10-day course of antibiotics to get rid of it, BUT, it was right after visiting my mom in the hospital. Colds or flu? None of that since just before I started vaping, just about 2 yrs ago, and I nearly always got at least one cold every fall/winter, when I smoked.

Andria
 

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My husband forwarded me the article yesterday from his PharmPro journal. What I want to know is where are the reports from doctors and hospitals of large numbers of vapers coming down with Superbugs? It seems to be another case of researchers looking for problems where none or very few exist! My husband wants to blame my joint pain and arthritis on my vaping, never mind that my grandma had it years ago and my sister currently has it Both of them never smoked or vaped! I have been vaping for four and a half years and also get a lot less colds than when I was a smoker. I did have a cold around Christmas time, but so did everyone else in my family and the ladies I work with, all non-smokers and non-vapers.
 

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My husband wants to blame my joint pain and arthritis on my vaping

There were two Swiss studies on rh. arthritis that found that nicotine's anti-inflammatory property reduced pain for rh.Arthritis patients in their studies with smokers (before ecigs)... they found that the heavy smokers had more pain reduction than lighter smokers and non-smokers. I used to have the links but have since lost them. They may be on ECF somewhere :- )

On colds, I used to have 1 or 2 a year, but I also use Zicam at first symptoms - it works pretty well. I've had one cold in 7 years after starting ecigs and even that one, I purposely didn't take Zicam on a personal experiment after reading N.Taleb's book - "Antifragile" which suggested allowing some colds to 'run their course' - making new antibodies for further cases.... lol.... it was a mild cold but still went through all phases.
 

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Add me to the anecdotes. That makes 5 or 6 without even trying.

When smoking, I'd typically get a cold or two a year, and they'd often turn into bronchitis. Since vaping, I've been FAR FAR less susceptible. I had ONE cold just barely start, but fought it off in about a day. And despite people in my house getting sick several times, I haven't caught any of it. Approaching 3 years...



Hmm... Then I wonder why I haven't had my 2-3 times a year (like clockwork) upper respiratory infections and/or bronchitis (or the flu, or a cold for that matter) since I started vaping in 2013. Weird how that happens...

But what do I know? I'm just an anecdote.

Strange I have not had a cold since I started vaping. Which was over 1 year ago.

There were two Swiss studies on rh. arthritis that found that nicotine's anti-inflammatory property reduced pain for rh.Arthritis patients in their studies with smokers (before ecigs)... they found that the heavy smokers had more pain reduction than lighter smokers and non-smokers. I used to have the links but have since lost them. They may be on ECF somewhere :- )

On colds, I used to have 1 or 2 a year, but I also use Zicam at first symptoms - it works pretty well. I've had one cold in 7 years after starting ecigs and even that one, I purposely didn't take Zicam on a personal experiment after reading N.Taleb's book - "Antifragile" which suggested allowing some colds to 'run their course' - making new antibodies for further cases.... lol.... it was a mild cold but still went through all phases.

For the common cold to be so common, I find it funny I haven't had one in over 2 years since I started vaping.

My immune system must be very supressed/dampened...
 

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OMG, when will the Propaganda Barrage end? Don't these fools realize that spouting the same BS over and over is not going to make it the Truth.
Sick 2/3 times a tear while smoking, sick twice in 2 1/2 years.And only one of those resulting in the need for medical attention.
So maybe the Superbug they are spreading word about is actually the Brain-eating Propaganda they belch out.
 
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