Youtube "Reviewers"

[Ionori]

If the strip is long enough, having aglets on both ends would let you get two wicks out of the strip. That said, I fail to see their advantage, especially at the wildly inflated price. I might as well buy drop in coils for what those puffy cotton strips cost. I can fluff my own cotton quite well, so no thanks.

You don't need aglets on both ends to do that, just pull most of the cotton through the first coil, cut it in the middle and use the remaining cotton with the aglet on the 2nd coil.

There is nothing that states a reviewer cannot be on someone’s payroll which obviously comes with plugging that product. I am not watching DJLsb, or Rip Trippers for the type of cotton they use. I am watching them because they are providing information on a product I am interested in.

Pretty sure it's illegal in the US to do paid promotions on Youtube without disclosure, and even if that weren't the case, it's still unethical to insert undisclosed paid promotions in a review.

 

[stols001]

I have a fine motor tremor so if they made it out of rayon, I might've considered it at that point. There are assistive aids for eyesight more than some other disabilities, honestly. I've gotten better at twisting my rayon and cutting it right so that I could get through the coil with more ease, but there are some days it's not my easiest thing to do. I sometimes have to wait for the right time of day.

I do think it happens to be a bit elitist to say that if someone has a disability, they shouldn't be working with rebuildables. I mean.... that essentially condemns a person who has trouble building or coiling to drop in tanks only, and hence to the whims of the FDA.

There are certain things I do more easily than others, and I've kind of made it my business to get on with life with my fine motor tremor, but the fact remains it does slow me down in some areas, and being scolded or told it is "easy enough" for anyone to do doesn't exactly make it easier.

I would have been waiting tables part time now for quite some time but THAT is something I could never do again, LOL, and it's also something I actually enjoy as a part time job. So I have far more issues to deal with than how I can wick a coil, and fortunately my full time profession that I should be returning to any week now, does NOT require me to use assistive devices. I do have a spiel I have to use to not scare people who are New to Me, such as "I have a fine motor tremor, I have for a decade, and no, it's not a seizure, and no, I'm not going to keel over right in front of you etc."

I mention these things since I remember life as normal person, and most persons without disabilities have little idea how frustrating it can be at times. I'm not offended but remarking that if the disabled find something "too hard" they should not be allowed to do it, is just ignorant. No offense. If I'd had that attitude I would never have done 1/3 of the things I have done, including coilbuilding.

Anna

 

[Punk In Drublic]

If they have poor eyesight, wicking is not the highest on the list of "hard tasks to do on a rebuildable". And im kind of confused why poor eyesight would make it hard to twist a piece of cotton in your fingers for a second or two.

And if the disability is so bad they can't wick, building on a rebuildable is basically out of the question.

While i don't think your explanation holds much water, I agree that people can spend their cash on whatever they want. If they think that product is better in some way or another, or it gives them a better vape somehow, to them it might just be true. The placebo effect is real, and powerful.

And your qualifications on disabilities allows you to make such comments? How could you possibly gauge someone’s ability to perform a certain tasks based on their disabilities? Seriously – that is a pretty crass comment to make.

Regardless, my comment was to make a point on how this product could be used to ones benefit - not whether someone with poor eyesight should or should not be wicking a coil.

Pretty sure it's illegal in the US to do paid promotions on Youtube without disclosure, and even if that weren't the case, it's still unethical to insert undisclosed paid promotions in a review.

There may be fact to that – I do not know enough about YouTube and or the US promotional laws but vape reviewers are not the only ones who plug products on YouTube. DJLsb has received YouTube awards so I guess we can make an assumption that what he is doing is allowed. Unethical is a matter of opinion.

 

[Ionori]

There may be fact to that – I do not know enough about YouTube and or the US promotional laws but vape reviewers are not the only ones who plug products on YouTube. DJLsb has received YouTube awards so I guess we can make an assumption that what he is doing is allowed. Unethical is a matter of opinion.

Receiving a silver Play button is not a legal endorsement of every little thing a Youtuber does. Not only are his actions breaking Youtube rules, but they are also illegal, as far as I can tell (IANAL, of course).

Moreover, he states in the description of his videos:
"THIS IS MY FAIR AND UNBIASED REVIEW OF THIS PRODUCT. WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS VIDEO ARE BOTH MY PERSONAL OPINIONS AND FACTS ACQUIRED AND PRESENTED MAKING USE OF SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL EQUIPMENT. THE CONTENT ON THIS CHANNEL IS MEANT TO BE SEEN AS EDUCATIONAL."
I think most people will agree that it is unethical to constantly plug a product a store you have financial ties to without disclosure while claiming that the reviews you are producing are fair, unbiased and educational.

 

[Zaryk]

And your qualifications on disabilities allows you to make such comments? How could you possibly gauge someone’s ability to perform a certain tasks based on their disabilities? Seriously – that is a pretty crass comment to make.

If a person is so bad off they cannot roll a piece of cotton between their fingers, how exactly will they be pitting coil legs through a 1.5-2mm hole and putting a tool onto a screw and doing the exact same action with the tool that they would need to do to roll that cotton? Like it or not, the product you re defending was not made for these people, it was made for the lazy.

Regardless, my comment was to make a point on how this product could be used to ones benefit - not whether someone with poor eyesight should or should not be wicking a coil.

Where exactly did I say a person with poor eyesight should not wick a coil? All I said is there are much harder tasks that need to be achieved for a person with poor eyesight before they even get to the wicking stage. After inserting coil legs in a tiny hole, and getting them tight, wicking feels like a breeze for those of us with bad eyes (like myself).

 

[untar]

If a person is so bad off they cannot roll a piece of cotton between their fingers, how exactly will they be pitting coil legs through a 1.5-2mm hole and putting a tool onto a screw and doing the exact same action with the tool that they would need to do to roll that cotton?

The one putting the coil in and the one putting the wick in don't have to be the same person. With RTA/RDA how often do you actually need to change the coil?
I have 2 guys coming to me to install coils for them every 3-4 months, they're dry burning and rewicking by themselves (like Anna they got fine motor problems).

I'll grant that this can't be a target audience to build a whole business around though.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

If a person is so bad off they cannot roll a piece of cotton between their fingers, how exactly will they be pitting coil legs through a 1.5-2mm hole and putting a tool onto a screw and doing the exact same action with the tool that they would need to do to roll that cotton? Like it or not, the product you re defending was not made for these people, it was made for the lazy.


Where exactly did I say a person with poor eyesight should not wick a coil? All I said is there are much harder tasks that need to be achieved for a person with poor eyesight before they even get to the wicking stage. After inserting coil legs in a tiny hole, and getting them tight, wicking feels like a breeze for those of us with bad eyes (like myself).

You are taking my words out of context and nitpicking for the sake of argument. If you feel that is necessary then by all means have at it. Another member claimed anyone who uses these shoe-string types of cotton should not be rebuilding. I disagree and only provided an example as to why someone may use them. It is not exclusive to.

 

[Walee]

I have a fine motor tremor so if they made it out of rayon, I might've considered it at that point. There are assistive aids for eyesight more than some other disabilities, honestly. I've gotten better at twisting my rayon and cutting it right so that I could get through the coil with more ease, but there are some days it's not my easiest thing to do. I sometimes have to wait for the right time of day.

I do think it happens to be a bit elitist to say that if someone has a disability, they shouldn't be working with rebuildables. I mean.... that essentially condemns a person who has trouble building or coiling to drop in tanks only, and hence to the whims of the FDA.

There are certain things I do more easily than others, and I've kind of made it my business to get on with life with my fine motor tremor, but the fact remains it does slow me down in some areas, and being scolded or told it is "easy enough" for anyone to do doesn't exactly make it easier.

I would have been waiting tables part time now for quite some time but THAT is something I could never do again, LOL, and it's also something I actually enjoy as a part time job. So I have far more issues to deal with than how I can wick a coil, and fortunately my full time profession that I should be returning to any week now, does NOT require me to use assistive devices. I do have a spiel I have to use to not scare people who are New to Me, such as "I have a fine motor tremor, I have for a decade, and no, it's not a seizure, and no, I'm not going to keel over right in front of you etc."

I mention these things since I remember life as normal person, and most persons without disabilities have little idea how frustrating it can be at times. I'm not offended but remarking that if the disabled find something "too hard" they should not be allowed to do it, is just ignorant. No offense. If I'd had that attitude I would never have done 1/3 of the things I have done, including coilbuilding.

Anna

You worded this well. I don't get any of this constrination. I'm old. I'm human. I use whatever I choose and do what I can as long as I can. If I decide to quit doing something that's totally my decision by whatever criteria I choose. Having someone tell me I can't or shouldn't is just ludacris to me. I have to wonder if these people stop along the road and argue with stop signs. Having said that, I really don't care if they do as long as the pull of the road to do it.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

@Walee -

 

[stols001]

You'd be surprised, honestly. With a fine motor tremor, doing something that requires a bit of force and is also more tactile (you can "feel" a wire and you can "feel" a screw, and etc. and sometimes with the aid of magnetic screwdrivers, installing the coils are the easier part. It's also possible to brace.

In no way do I claim I can wind exotic coils or install 8 coils in one deck, but coil winding and installation is actually easier for me than trying to "thread the needle" with a wick that is shaking and is far more flimsy and there is less to "feel" and compensate for.

Often, I get to wicking and would think, "Okay, all downhill from here." Only, sometimes it ISN'T.

You really need to stop spouting off about this for the sake of being "right." I don't mind your opinions on YouTube reviewers honestly, nor do I ENTIRELY disagree with them. They are at LEAST grounded in FACTUAL experience unlike your ravings, assumptions and rantings. I'm not arguing for the sake of argument EITHER, it is genuinely sometimes harder for me to wick than to build. Although it is getting easier.

NOR do I speak for any disabled person other than MYSELF, either. But I am personally growing to find your assumptions about the disabled as a CLASS very, very tiresome. You clearly don't have much experience with the matter, and it's time for you to put down that shovel you are digging yourself into a deeper hole with. Knock it off before the shovel BREAKS.

Anna

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Receiving a silver Play button is not a legal endorsement of every little thing a Youtuber does. Not only are his actions breaking Youtube rules, but they are also illegal, as far as I can tell (IANAL, of course).

Moreover, he states in the description of his videos:
"THIS IS MY FAIR AND UNBIASED REVIEW OF THIS PRODUCT. WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS VIDEO ARE BOTH MY PERSONAL OPINIONS AND FACTS ACQUIRED AND PRESENTED MAKING USE OF SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL EQUIPMENT. THE CONTENT ON THIS CHANNEL IS MEANT TO BE SEEN AS EDUCATIONAL."
I think most people will agree that it is unethical to constantly plug a product a store you have financial ties to without disclosure while claiming that the reviews you are producing are fair, unbiased and educational.

I fully agree but the point I was making is that YouTube most likely will not be handing out these awards to those who are breaking their rules. Again, I do not know enough about YT to say for sure.

I use YT reviews to gain exposure on products that I may be interested in. I am grateful to what these reviewers provide – and that is a virtual window on the product I am interested in. I do not take what they have to say as gospel and I am not bothered by a reviewer, be it a vaper gear or other, endorsing others products within said review. I do not find it unethical but accept your opinion on the matter. We are not forced to watched these videos. And if said reviewer is breaking the rules, then I trust YT will take action. But I won’t let someone plugging cotton, juice, cloud storage, VPN or even punk bands influence my judgment. But that is me and we all have different values and needs.

 

[Zaryk]

You'd be surprised, honestly. With a fine motor tremor, doing something that requires a bit of force and is also more tactile (you can "feel" a wire and you can "feel" a screw, and etc. and sometimes with the aid of magnetic screwdrivers, installing the coils are the easier part. It's also possible to brace.

In no way do I claim I can wind exotic coils or install 8 coils in one deck, but coil winding and installation is actually easier for me than trying to "thread the needle" with a wick that is shaking and is far more flimsy and there is less to "feel" and compensate for.

Often, I get to wicking and would think, "Okay, all downhill from here." Only, sometimes it ISN'T.

You really need to stop spouting off about this for the sake of being "right." I don't mind your opinions on YouTube reviewers honestly, nor do I ENTIRELY disagree with them. They are at LEAST grounded in FACTUAL experience unlike your ravings, assumptions and rantings. I'm not arguing for the sake of argument EITHER, it is genuinely sometimes harder for me to wick than to build. Although it is getting easier.

NOR do I speak for any disabled person other than MYSELF, either. But I am personally growing to find your assumptions about the disabled as a CLASS very, very tiresome. You clearly don't have much experience with the matter, and it's time for you to put down that shovel you are digging yourself into a deeper hole with. Knock it off before the shovel BREAKS.

Anna

If this was directed at me, I found it quite the speech. But you have no clue what disabilities I deal with. Do you think you are the only one that has motor tremors on here? I don't openly speak of my problems often, as it is nobody else's business. But I have plenty of my own, including hands that shake uncontrollably, sometimes much worse than other times. You may think I am making assumptions, but you would be very wrong. I know what it is to wick with tremors, poor eyesight, and more that I will not discuss. But continue assuming things about me, it seems that paints a better picture than reality did.

 

[Ionori]

I fully agree but the point I was making is that YouTube most likely will not be handing out these awards to those who are breaking their rules. Again, I do not know enough about YT to say for sure.

I use YT reviews to gain exposure on products that I may be interested in. I am grateful to what these reviewers provide – and that is a virtual window on the product I am interested in. I do not take what they have to say as gospel and I am not bothered by a reviewer, be it a vaper gear or other, endorsing others products within said review. I do not find it unethical but accept your opinion on the matter. We are not forced to watched these videos. And if said reviewer is breaking the rules, then I trust YT will take action. But I won’t let someone plugging cotton, juice, cloud storage, VPN or even punk bands influence my judgment. But that is me and we all have different values and needs.

Youtube probably isn't going to be handing out awards to people they know are breaking their rules. It's unlikely that the Youtube team is aware of the fact that Daniel had said he is in the US on a work visa from the store that he also happens to mention in every rebuildable atomizer review.

I'm not saying you must be more critical of Daniel's content, I'm saying I have been disappointed by his ethical lapses (the apparent illegality of his actions in this matter is between him and the state, as far as I'm concerned). As I said, he still has my respect as the most thorough mod reviewer.

 

[Zakillah]

You are taking my words out of context and nitpicking for the sake of argument. If you feel that is necessary then by all means have at it. Another member claimed anyone who uses these shoe-string types of cotton should not be rebuilding. I disagree and only provided an example as to why someone may use them. It is not exclusive to.

That was me. I didnt expect that this sentence, which was strictly ment to poke fun at the product, to be taken this literally and blown way out of proportion. I said "If you're too lazy to twist a piece of cotton, maybe you shouldnt rebuild".

No, I dont care if you use this. But also no, I dont feel bad for having said this either. Not my problem if people choose to get all riled up and act offended over such inane BS.

 

[sdennislee]

We are still talking about reviewers on Youtube, right? The same place that has hours and hours of road rage &car crash videos, stupid pet tricks clips, even stupider hold my beer and watch this videos.

I don't look to YT to be the bastion of integrity.

 

[ScottP]

Receiving a silver Play button is not a legal endorsement of every little thing a Youtuber does. Not only are his actions breaking Youtube rules, but they are also illegal, as far as I can tell (IANAL, of course).

Moreover, he states in the description of his videos:
"THIS IS MY FAIR AND UNBIASED REVIEW OF THIS PRODUCT. WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS VIDEO ARE BOTH MY PERSONAL OPINIONS AND FACTS ACQUIRED AND PRESENTED MAKING USE OF SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL EQUIPMENT. THE CONTENT ON THIS CHANNEL IS MEANT TO BE SEEN AS EDUCATIONAL."
I think most people will agree that it is unethical to constantly plug a product a store you have financial ties to without disclosure while claiming that the reviews you are producing are fair, unbiased and educational.

As long as that financial tie does not affect the review, I don't see a problem. Also financial ties are not going to make a menu system more intuitive, not going to make a build deck easier to build on, and most certainly not going to improve measurements on an oscilloscope. From what I have seen it doesn't really impact pros and cons or over all opinion either. Maybe he had a legit reason for giving a con to a piece of cotton for not having a plastic piece on both ends, maybe if it did he could have cut it in half and had 2 wicks instead of 1. I can see that being a con. I did not watch that vid so I have no clue but I can say I have not personally seen any bias by him and you can't prove bias based on one review where you didn't agree with an OPINION.

 

[ScottP]

You'd be surprised, honestly. With a fine motor tremor, doing something that requires a bit of force and is also more tactile (you can "feel" a wire and you can "feel" a screw, and etc. and sometimes with the aid of magnetic screwdrivers, installing the coils are the easier part. It's also possible to brace.

In no way do I claim I can wind exotic coils or install 8 coils in one deck, but coil winding and installation is actually easier for me than trying to "thread the needle" with a wick that is shaking and is far more flimsy and there is less to "feel" and compensate for.

Since you use rayon have you considered cutting off a 12"-24" strip and then cutting the entire length to be the right size for a wick, then rolling one end really tight and then rubbing a bit of Elmer's glue on the tip (about 1 inch) and letting that dry? It would give you a 1-2ft wick with a hard needle tip that would be much easier to thread. Just pull the whole length through the coil and cut off what you need from the back end leaving most of the length and the tip for the next coil. I used to do that with cotton yarn back when I was doing micro coils. Made it super easy to wick.

 

[UpNorth]

Well this was some useful reading! NOT ha ha kidding, well sort of, maybe, I dunno. I'll go away now.

 

[stols001]

Thanks @ScottP that is an awesome idea! I will definitely give that a shot, it would make life tons easier. Especially the being able to use it over and over part.

Anna

 

[Eskie]

We are still talking about reviewers on Youtube, right? The same place that has hours and hours of road rage &car crash videos, stupid pet tricks clips, even stupider hold my beer and watch this videos.

I don't look to YT to be the bastion of integrity.

May be, but cats own Instagram.