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  1. darkrose

    darkrose Full Member

    Oct 23, 2014
    East Ridge, TN
    I have a zenith which is terrific but I seem to lose flavor in five to six days on a coil. Is it vapor tongue or am I just going through coils. The coils are cheap and I don' mind. Im still fairly new on vaping, and still a dual user.
     
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  2. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    Could well be a form of Vapor's Tongue since you are still dual using and haven't given your taste buds time to heal from years of smoking.

    Coils should last about 2 weeks if not longer.

    What flavors are you using? Sweet or dark colored flavors tend to gunk up coils faster than clear liquids without sweeteners.
     
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  3. darkrose

    darkrose Full Member

    Oct 23, 2014
    East Ridge, TN
    I am using a tobacco flavor called Virginia flake, it' a ry4. Probably would be considered somewhat dark, has Carmel and vanilla flavoring. Does completely quitting help with your tasetebids, also drinking water help. I'm a avid mt dew drinker.
     
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  4. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    It's hard to say when Coils are Measured in Days. Because some people Vape 5ml/day. Other use 25ml's in 24 Hours. And the Range of Wattages that people use is pretty wide.

    And if that Didn't make it Complicated enough, a Heavily Flavored/Sweetened e-Liquid will Gunk Up a Coil MUCH Faster than e-Liquid that has a Small amount of Flavoring/Sweetener.

    If the Flavor comes back if you Replace the Coil, then it is the Coil getting Old.

    If the Flavor Doesn't come back with a New Coil, then it could be "Vaper's Tongue".
     
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  5. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    That flavor could be classified as a coil killer in my opinion. Dark tobacco flavor and carmel/vanilla (sweet). Yup.

    Most folks' sense of taste and sense of smell improve greatly once they have stopped smoking. I can recall not needing to spice my food so much after I stopped smoking. I remember walking outside of my apartment after a gentle rain and smelling the deep earthy smell of moist earth and grass; I hadn't smelled that aroma since I had begun smoking 30 years before.

    Drinking plenty of fluids will help detox the thousands of chemicals that are in tobacco smoke and accumulated within your body. Pg and Vg in the e-liquid also can dry out your mouth, so we typically recommend increasing fluid intake to compensate for that.
     
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  6. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    May 30, 2017
    Tucson, AZ
    I can only speak for my own smell and tastebuds, and I will say, I had NO IDEA food tasted SO GOOD. LOL.

    What usually happens (to some vapers) is that once they halt dual use, their "damaged" tastebuds are replaced with new healthy ones, and during the die off is often when vaper's tongue will occur.

    Wattage also matters, and how much you chain vape, not just juice. Heat kills coils.

    I will say, personally, that I find the Zenith coils to have immense longevity, I've even run storebought juice down in my first coil in an attempt to get it to die. It won't. LOL. I am still on my first coil. Of note, if you are using the 1.6 coil you may find flavor changes after a few tanks, but it's actually the coil "breaking itself in". So, some flavor change would be expected, although I'd kind of imagine seeing it go in the opposite direction.... The 0.8 coil is supposed to taste good right out of the gate.

    I will say, your juice is a known coil killer, that is going to be gunky. You could play with airflow and wattage, to see if you can get any coil improvements, or try rotating setups if you chain vape.

    I'd encourage good mouth hygiene and a tongue scraper, as well as possibly biotene mouthwash if you find vaping is drying out your system at first (it can do so, fairly easily) and make sure you stay hydrated. You can also try some less gunky juice.

    Now that my tastebuds have returned and I DIY, I use a ton less sweetener and flavoring than in storebought juices. I find most storebougth overflavored and chemical tasting, so I mix to my own palate's preferences. It may be something you want to consider down the road.

    Best of luck, and I hope you find some ways to increase your coil's life.

    Anna
     
  7. darkrose

    darkrose Full Member

    Oct 23, 2014
    East Ridge, TN
    It' definitely me and my tastebuds. It's really drying me out. Water does help, I'm going to start using hard candy to. One of my major hurdles right now is at work, where I can' chain vape. I have even thought about using nicotine gum at work instead of smoking analogs. I absolutely love the zenith, so I will continue to use it. And before this my coils lasted so I definitely think it's my mouth.
     
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  8. BrotherBob

    BrotherBob ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Dec 24, 2014
    Sunnyvale,CA,USA
    My flavor is generally great (some of my DIY mix's suck). I vape RDA's and clean the gunk off the coil and change the rayon wick every other vape. Nothing like a clean coil and new wick for great taste.
    re: Drip Vaping: Your Guide to Dripping e-Juice | Vape-Resource.com
     
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  9. darkrose

    darkrose Full Member

    Oct 23, 2014
    East Ridge, TN
    I love my juice so even if I go through more coils, I don' see myself changing right now. I don' know anything about doing my own juice or coils. I might get into that later. I changed the coils, and right now the flavor is good. But they do seem to get kinda muted over time. But it could also be me. I use 9 mgs of nicotine on 12.9 watts. At this point just wished I could get to completely quitting and just vaping.
     
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  10. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    So-Cal
    You're say'n you Can or Can't chain vape while you are at Work?
     
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  11. darkrose

    darkrose Full Member

    Oct 23, 2014
    East Ridge, TN
    We get three breaks a day. Two ten min and a half hour lunch. I could possibly sneak but it' hard to stick to the vaping there. Cause after a couple of hours, I'm really craving that nicotine.
     
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  12. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    Gotcha.

    I would Never advise someone to Vape at Work if vaping Isn't Allowed. Because a Job is (usually) worth more than a Vape.
     
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  13. darkrose

    darkrose Full Member

    Oct 23, 2014
    East Ridge, TN
    There's actually alot of ppl who vape at my workplace, some that use chewing tobacco(which truly irratated me, cause they are allowed to chew on the job). And some that smoke. To occasionally sneak outside for a vape would be ok. I just got to get to the point, of no cigs at all. I'm closer to that point now, I like my setup and my juice. Which is saying alot cause finding a good mtl tank is hard thease days.
     
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  14. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    Trust Me. You'll get there.

    Have you Tried bringing a slightly Higher Nicotine Level to work than you Normally Vape?

    Perhaps that would Help ease the Cravings?
     
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  15. darkrose

    darkrose Full Member

    Oct 23, 2014
    East Ridge, TN
    I haven't yet, but that' something I could try. I' probably going to have to eliminate the temptation lol.
     
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  16. Newmikey

    Newmikey Full Member

    Feb 26, 2018
    Sounds like my own experience up to a week or six ago. All I can say is to not get stuck to what others claim to be coil lifespan. As already noted by others, there are far too many variables to make any kind of average statement. I've got some apple in my Zenith and have the coil in there since 7 days with no signs of flavor-loss yet but apple looks like it's almost a transparent and semi colorless juice. On my other tank (a Prism T20S) I'd been vaping pineapple/mint and I replaced a coil today after 12 days. But on my third tank (NautilusX) I've been vaping a banana/chocolate flavor and that coil was done for in 5 days flat.

    I'd just take the pragmatic approach: if the coil seems like it's losing taste and not producing as much vapor as before, dump it and replace with a new one which as you said are still way cheaper than cigarettes. I find diminishing throathit the surest indicator of end-of-life for a coil. Just play it by taste!
     
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  17. darkrose

    darkrose Full Member

    Oct 23, 2014
    East Ridge, TN
    I think your right. It' funny cause I change the coil. And when you first smoke it, it' like you have to beat it up a little, then you hit a sweet spot and it' great but after five or six days, the taste just kinds gets weak, and the vapor production goes down a little. I really don' mind some extra coils cause this tank is terrific. And for five coils, it' ten dollars. You can' beat the price. It' all a learning experience for me yet.
     
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  18. Nailz

    Nailz Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 6, 2013
    Wichita, KS
    Also to note, not all coils are exactly the same, even from the same pack, my 1st Zenith coil lasted 2 weeks, my last one only lasted 4 days, there will a slight difference in coils, from the coil itself to how tight or fluffy the cotton is.
     
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  19. r77r7r

    r77r7r ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Feb 15, 2011
    Pa,LandOfTaxes
    As a RY4 user, there are probably several versions still out there one of which might be kinder to your coils. You can start a thread here asking for that to narrow things down. Who knows, you might like it better than what you have now. gl
     
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