Does anyone else having trouble breaking even?
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Figuring rough with averages like you suggest I come up to $46,800 for 30 years. My averages are $3 per pack based on price back in 1985 of $2, price now of around $4 per pack. This nets $6 per pack divided by two --> $3 per pack, multiplied by 1,560 weeks in 30 years --> $46,800. And yes around our area at present wife and I have seen a few modest homes being sold at around $30,000 or so. Yeah, can agree with you. Could have bought a house, land and had a place for us.
30 years = 1,560 weeks $3 per pack average = $30 a carton per week $30 x 1,560 = $46,800
That really lends a lot of perspective. Wow.
Seems to be much cheaper than smoking cigarettes in the long run - but I've only been vaping for 2 weeks so who knows! 
Things to keep in mind:
1) When you first start vaping, if you're still smoking, the budget is usually tight (because of the astronomical cost of cigarettes).
2) Once you ditch the cigarettes, it frees up a considerable resource for trying: different hardware, different juices... until you find what you really like.
3) Once you find what you like, you'll start to see considerable savings.
4) If you get into either the DIY-ejuice or rebuildable-atty (OR BOTH) scheme of things, you will save ENORMOUS amounts of money... IF you can control the shinyitis, though the previous 2 steps should have gotten that out of the way. At this stage, a small amount of shinyitis can easily be accommodated.
Andria
1) When you first start vaping, if you're still smoking, the budget is usually tight (because of the astronomical cost of cigarettes).
2) Once you ditch the cigarettes, it frees up a considerable resource for trying: different hardware, different juices... until you find what you really like.
3) Once you find what you like, you'll start to see considerable savings.
4) If you get into either the DIY-ejuice or rebuildable-atty (OR BOTH) scheme of things, you will save ENORMOUS amounts of money... IF you can control the shinyitis, though the previous 2 steps should have gotten that out of the way. At this stage, a small amount of shinyitis can easily be accommodated.
Andria
I've saved over $4000 and continue to save $200 every month.
Everybody is in a different boat and to some breaking even is critical , not everyone saves money with vaping , depends how much self control you have lol.
The comment about more money for the kids I've heard a few times. A brother of mine has a teenage daughter headed to college in 3 1/2 years. Vaping instead of smoking is helping with that a lot.
Here is one more way to look at the numbers. A pack of cigs that might cost $6 has 20 mg of nic, 1 mg per stick. That works out to 30 cents per mg. A 1 liter consumer bottle of 100 mg nic costs $50 and has 100,000 mg of nic which works out to 1 penny per 20 mg. If the liquefied nic were priced the same as the nic in cigarettes the 1 liter bottle would cost $30,000. In Chicago, where a pack of cigs costs $12, that bottle would cost $60,000. If you vape 20 mg per day that bottle is a 13 year supply. This is why vaping is a revolution. This is what dooms $800 billion tobacco business. This is what all the BS is about. The FDA is nothing more than the government drug dealer's crooked chemist.
I broke even pretty quickly. Of course, I started in 2009 when most people were using 510's, which were pretty cheap, and I smoked a pack a day of cloves, which were insanely expensive. I generally spend about $200-$300 on gear a year and about $150-$200 on DIY juice supplies. So, $500 per year max. If I didn't DIY, I would easily spend $1500 a year on juice. If I still smoked cloves, I would spend about $2500 a year.
If you really want to save some money, get into DIY juice.
If you really want to save some money, get into DIY juice.
Compiling calculation! I did some Math myself, not on the cost but on volumes in case of future supply restrictions. With ~1kg of pure nicotine, which cost about $100, one can make 10 liters of juice @10mg/ml. That would cost the cigarette price of 1,000,000 mg of nicotine or, based on the $0.30/mg scale, about $300,000. It's a 3000 fold ratio! And this is toward the lower end...
I like your expression "Vaping Revolution". I used it before w/o knowing if it was appropriate. I also added that further than the benefit that vaping is offering to our health, it will also bring the truth about the hypocritical nature of our institutions. How far this revolution may go?
I like that! Count me in...
I think I'm gonna try your Capella Cupapaccino Flavor 3.5%. Seems simple and flavorful. Except for few differences and the fact that I'm pretty new in RDA, you seem to vape on a base setting similar to mind (MTL, 24 guage Ti, single coil10 wraps, 0.35 ohms, 2.5mm inner diameter).
You are a good man! You deserve only the best after being so nice to everyone around you. Not many like you.
Vapez
I am a woman!You are a good man! You deserve only the best after being so nice to everyone around you. Not many like you.
Vapez
I kid, I kid.
Generous
Caring
Thoughtful
All around good guy
...
Yes
Nice? Maybe not always.
But I think you'll find there are a metric ton of us around here.
Generosity is most definitely not lost in this community.
I am proud to say, I am one of many.
Thank you.
Tapatyped
I thought everybody was cats and dogs from the Avi's. So, here I'm just talking to human's?? Gotta think about that some....
Actually TFA flavorings are available at $6-$10/4 oz bottle. Only slightly higher than the $4-8 his friend suggested. The economics of flavoring can be very strange, where an ounce is $4-5 and a 4 oz bottle as little as $6.
The key is DIY. Consider this... a 108 tab box of nic gum, made by those BP people, and exorbitantly marked up, has up to 432 mg of nic (4mg/tab), and costs around $50-80 depending on brand/generic etc. So the cost is around $0.10/mg.
A typical 15ml bottle of juice costs $5-$15 depending on brand. The trend is toward low mg juice, but vaping large quantities in sub-ohm tanks. A 3mg 15ml bottle of juice contains 45mg of nic, at a cost of $0.11 - $0.33/mg. Doesn't sound like a very good deal to me, compared to "over-priced" Nicorettes.
A lot of people vape 15ml or more a day, especially sub-ohming cloud chasers. Where I live you can still buy a pack of smokes for around $5.20 and in a neighboring state $3. The fact is that juice alone (forget the hardware) can come close to or exceed the price of smokes, depending on exactly what you buy and how much you consume.
I know it is not PC here to equate juice vendors with BP and BT but the fact is that juice prices are set at a level comparable to smokes or other NRTs. And that is in an environment where there is zero extra tax on juice, which is not likely to last. Far more likely, at least in the USA, is that a 100% or greater tax will be put on juice (and maybe the gear too). Assuming we can get liquid juice at all and are not forced back into cigalikes made by their BT friends and easily taxed as high as or higher than cigs. It will be interesting to revisit the economics when (not if!) that happens.
As my avatar suggests, I DIY, high flavor highest quality mixes at about $0.035/ml. I could vape unflavored at about $0.01/ml. And I exclusively use rebuildables at the moment. I do spend a bit of money vapocalypse proofing my hardware but I still don't likely spend more than I did smoking (about $300/mo). And much of what I spend could be chalked off to a hobby, and spending stupid money to avoid the uncertainties of deeming. But I am only a few hundred dollars away from being able to vape for a few years without spending another penny.
A typical 15ml bottle of juice costs $5-$15 depending on brand. The trend is toward low mg juice, but vaping large quantities in sub-ohm tanks. A 3mg 15ml bottle of juice contains 45mg of nic, at a cost of $0.11 - $0.33/mg. Doesn't sound like a very good deal to me, compared to "over-priced" Nicorettes.
A lot of people vape 15ml or more a day, especially sub-ohming cloud chasers. Where I live you can still buy a pack of smokes for around $5.20 and in a neighboring state $3. The fact is that juice alone (forget the hardware) can come close to or exceed the price of smokes, depending on exactly what you buy and how much you consume.
I know it is not PC here to equate juice vendors with BP and BT but the fact is that juice prices are set at a level comparable to smokes or other NRTs. And that is in an environment where there is zero extra tax on juice, which is not likely to last. Far more likely, at least in the USA, is that a 100% or greater tax will be put on juice (and maybe the gear too). Assuming we can get liquid juice at all and are not forced back into cigalikes made by their BT friends and easily taxed as high as or higher than cigs. It will be interesting to revisit the economics when (not if!) that happens.
As my avatar suggests, I DIY, high flavor highest quality mixes at about $0.035/ml. I could vape unflavored at about $0.01/ml. And I exclusively use rebuildables at the moment. I do spend a bit of money vapocalypse proofing my hardware but I still don't likely spend more than I did smoking (about $300/mo). And much of what I spend could be chalked off to a hobby, and spending stupid money to avoid the uncertainties of deeming. But I am only a few hundred dollars away from being able to vape for a few years without spending another penny.
I had a horrible case of shinyits 10 mods and 18 tanks later I finally learned my lesson, I swore off YouTube vape porn, that was the source of my problem
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