Exhaled Vapor - Safe for kids?
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Etbktm - this isn't directed straight at you, but your quote kinda seems to pull all the other posts together into one.
I don't understand the "raise my kids in a bubble" thing parents are doing these days. If your kids was born with or has at some point developed serious health issues, I can understand and agree. But if you're just "protecting" your kids to keep them "healthy" by not allowing them to do anything with risks, only eating tofu and drinking soy milk....to each their own. I guess it's cute when a toddler has on so much padding they can barely walk let alone attempt to safely operate whatever toy it is the parent is protecting them from (skateboard, bicycle, scooter, etc). Just so the parent feels that the child is "protected". I know, I don't have to get it. To each their own.
**edit** I hope you and your kids travel by human power bicycles everywhere you go. Cause gasoline powered cars are putting out more child-killing toxic gases than any e-cig could ever hope of. If you're "green" and don't believe in gasoline powered and only drive your hybrid/electric car....you wanna talk about battery failure? In comparison, one of those cars would be like Hiroshima, while your ecig would be more like an airsoft bb gun
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Heh, that made me laugh, and isn't it the truth.
"We gave these mice enough of 'Ingredient X' to kill 5 adult humans. Two died immediately and one of them actually grew a 3rd eye! This stuff's toxicity must be off the chart!" My father is a metallurgical engineer. As a kid I remember being deathly afraid of mercury, cyanide, and other poisons he used in his line of work. My father told me that everything is poisonous if taken to excess - even water. It's not the poison, but the quantity that will kill you.
Reverse this line of thought, then everything in moderation is probably good for you. As a teacher, I see the ramifications of "avoidance" amongst our kids. They don't venture outside and play anymore, staying inside where it's safe. Kids get fat and develop diabetes and other couch-potato ailments. Their houses are disinfected of all germs and dirt. Kids develop allergies - some severe and life-threatening.
So, perhaps a little smoke, a little vapor, isn't so bad after all. I don't want me, nor my kids, to live in a bubble. Where's the quality of life (and health) with that kind of protectionism?
Reverse this line of thought, then everything in moderation is probably good for you. As a teacher, I see the ramifications of "avoidance" amongst our kids. They don't venture outside and play anymore, staying inside where it's safe. Kids get fat and develop diabetes and other couch-potato ailments. Their houses are disinfected of all germs and dirt. Kids develop allergies - some severe and life-threatening.
So, perhaps a little smoke, a little vapor, isn't so bad after all. I don't want me, nor my kids, to live in a bubble. Where's the quality of life (and health) with that kind of protectionism?
My thoughts exactly, put into better words by somebody who sees it every day first hand. Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way. Abusing a child is a horrible thing, but sometimes being extremely overprotective can be just as bad.
Good point.
Not water in plastic bottles.
My parents were on DIY distilled H2O till their health guru said they must add minerals to it.
Overprotection is the norm these days. Gone are the days when mom's kicked the kids out of the house in the morning so they could go play, build forts, rafts, explore, make up their own games with neighborhood kids...coming home at lunch time - if they hear mom calling. Gone are the days when kids walked to school unescorted from kindergarten on. Gone are the days when kids learned their place, had responsibilities and suffered real consequences of their actions or inactions.
As far as second hand vapor goes - don't blow it in their faces, but don't hide it, either. Their world is full of dangers and poisons - even in their food. Like wacomme said, don't keep them in a bubble. Let them experience life and learn and grow - hopefully into responsible, independent adults.
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Ironically, from what I understand minerals disolved in water are not absorbed or utilized by the body. It's a waste of money to add them in, and a marketing gimick for bottled water companies trying to sell exclusivity.
My father in law runs a distillation business. His slogan is: "Water is H2O, Anything else is just a contaminant."
After drinking it solely myself for 4 or 5 years, I can say that I have noticed zero ill effects from not having 'minerals' added to my water. And you have no idea how much better pasta and things taste when compared to cooking in tap water. Even as a smoker I can easily tell the difference.
I didn't start smoking till right before I turned 18, so I was legally able to buy my own quite quickly - negating the whole "do as say, not as I do" spiel from my folks.
I grew up with smoking parents, family, etc. They smoked in the car, the house, stores - everywhere. I'm only 37, but I still remember my mom smoking while we were shopping at the grocery store. I look back at family get togethers - you could barely see from side of the room to the other through all the cigarette/cigar/pipe smoke! But I also realize that just because none of us kids had developed smoking-related childhood illnesses, it doesn't mean there wasn't some sort of harmful effects... So, I took precautions with my own kids.
My ex and I never smoked in the house once they came along or in the car with them (at first). I say at first, because we jumped off the "omg, protect the kids from EVERYTHING!!!" band-wagon. Just to clarify though, smoking in the car was only done recently, with all the windows down and very infrequently. I know it's not perfect, but ventilation makes a big difference. But I digress - it's a non-issue for me now. My kids love that I quit smoking... But it sometimes concerns me that they show so much of an interest in my "fake smoking." Does it worry me that much? Not really.
Just my opinion, but I honestly believe there is less physical harm vaping around my kids than just about anything else that could be deemed harmful in any way. I'm more concerned with the exhaust from my old pick-up.
Oh, and in case anyone wants another side to the second-hand-smoke issue:
(Warning: coarse language)
EDIT: different version with part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGApkbcaZK4&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL31A0DA34F2671EF0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAfK...L31A0DA34F2671EF0&lf=results_video&playnext=2
(^link in case auto-play doesn't load the second part)
I grew up with smoking parents, family, etc. They smoked in the car, the house, stores - everywhere. I'm only 37, but I still remember my mom smoking while we were shopping at the grocery store. I look back at family get togethers - you could barely see from side of the room to the other through all the cigarette/cigar/pipe smoke! But I also realize that just because none of us kids had developed smoking-related childhood illnesses, it doesn't mean there wasn't some sort of harmful effects... So, I took precautions with my own kids.
My ex and I never smoked in the house once they came along or in the car with them (at first). I say at first, because we jumped off the "omg, protect the kids from EVERYTHING!!!" band-wagon. Just to clarify though, smoking in the car was only done recently, with all the windows down and very infrequently. I know it's not perfect, but ventilation makes a big difference. But I digress - it's a non-issue for me now. My kids love that I quit smoking... But it sometimes concerns me that they show so much of an interest in my "fake smoking." Does it worry me that much? Not really.
Just my opinion, but I honestly believe there is less physical harm vaping around my kids than just about anything else that could be deemed harmful in any way. I'm more concerned with the exhaust from my old pick-up.
Oh, and in case anyone wants another side to the second-hand-smoke issue:
(Warning: coarse language)
EDIT: different version with part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGApkbcaZK4&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL31A0DA34F2671EF0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAfK...L31A0DA34F2671EF0&lf=results_video&playnext=2
(^link in case auto-play doesn't load the second part)
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I love the cartoon!!!! So True.
I must add that I'm a non-smoker; I'm on this forum because my wife is going to try e-cigs, and my hope is that she'll quit smoking cigarettes. As a health nut, it's amazing I even met up with my wife 20 years ago. I abhor smoking. And to have a relationship with a smoker - impossible! Yet love has is way, and I'm the better for it. While I still hate smoking, I've learned tolerance, accepting other points of view, not me, me, me.
I must add that I'm a non-smoker; I'm on this forum because my wife is going to try e-cigs, and my hope is that she'll quit smoking cigarettes. As a health nut, it's amazing I even met up with my wife 20 years ago. I abhor smoking. And to have a relationship with a smoker - impossible! Yet love has is way, and I'm the better for it. While I still hate smoking, I've learned tolerance, accepting other points of view, not me, me, me.
Overprotection is the norm these days. Gone are the days when mom's kicked the kids out of the house in the morning so they could go play, build forts, rafts, explore, make up their own games with neighborhood kids...coming home at lunch time - if they hear mom calling. Gone are the days when kids walked to school unescorted from kindergarten on. Gone are the days when kids learned their place, had responsibilities and suffered real consequences of their actions or inactions.
As far as second hand vapor goes - don't blow it in their faces, but don't hide it, either. Their world is full of dangers and poisons - even in their food. Like wacomme said, don't keep them in a bubble. Let them experience life and learn and grow - hopefully into responsible, independent adults.
Fewer smokers than ever before.
Less exposure to tobacco smoke than ever before.
Fewer people use open flames of any kind to eat their homes as well.
Yet, heart and lung disease and detected cancer cases steadily rises.
At the end of the day the war over smoking, it's mostly about punishing the states that had tobacco money at one time and redistributing their wealth anyway. The same mindset has and will go after every industry known to mankind in due time. If you watch TV for more than 30 minutes, you're sure to see at least one ad informing you of some sort of class action suit and how to get in on it. The suits cover pretty much any and every product you can think of, and sooner or later they find a way to start picking cash away from every single one of them.
I'm not saying class action suits are wrong, as much good comes from them as well; however, once an avalanche is started against any industry...it's just a matter of time until the vultures circle and pick the place DRY...any way they can.
There's money to be had mopping up big tobacco...and as long as there is something there to take...the attacks will never stop.
Sooner or later Vaping will get attacked as well. Just like farmers, factories, medical practitioners, and the list goes on, have been attacked and forced to gut the coffers to address and pay for the damages of 'rumors'. So far the courts have done a little to slow down the onslaught of greedy folks that just smell an easy target in the personal vaping industry to kick over some ant hills and raid their funds. While vaping industries don't have much capitol to take just yet...the folks who make a living on rumors and law suits do smell an easy target.
Now, why can't I make the argument that the majority of people in the USA who have ever been sick were FORCED to attend a public school at some point. They've all been in contact with it! They all got sick right? It must be the public schools...since that is the ONE THING they all have in common that we can easily point to and cast blame (and raid their coffers). Hmmm....of course it's silly! None the less, this is the same logic that many 'studies' used to win law suits have been based upon.
Less exposure to tobacco smoke than ever before.
Fewer people use open flames of any kind to eat their homes as well.
Yet, heart and lung disease and detected cancer cases steadily rises.
At the end of the day the war over smoking, it's mostly about punishing the states that had tobacco money at one time and redistributing their wealth anyway. The same mindset has and will go after every industry known to mankind in due time. If you watch TV for more than 30 minutes, you're sure to see at least one ad informing you of some sort of class action suit and how to get in on it. The suits cover pretty much any and every product you can think of, and sooner or later they find a way to start picking cash away from every single one of them.
I'm not saying class action suits are wrong, as much good comes from them as well; however, once an avalanche is started against any industry...it's just a matter of time until the vultures circle and pick the place DRY...any way they can.
There's money to be had mopping up big tobacco...and as long as there is something there to take...the attacks will never stop.
Sooner or later Vaping will get attacked as well. Just like farmers, factories, medical practitioners, and the list goes on, have been attacked and forced to gut the coffers to address and pay for the damages of 'rumors'. So far the courts have done a little to slow down the onslaught of greedy folks that just smell an easy target in the personal vaping industry to kick over some ant hills and raid their funds. While vaping industries don't have much capitol to take just yet...the folks who make a living on rumors and law suits do smell an easy target.
Now, why can't I make the argument that the majority of people in the USA who have ever been sick were FORCED to attend a public school at some point. They've all been in contact with it! They all got sick right? It must be the public schools...since that is the ONE THING they all have in common that we can easily point to and cast blame (and raid their coffers). Hmmm....of course it's silly! None the less, this is the same logic that many 'studies' used to win law suits have been based upon.
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There's an old saying that comes to mind... "When you know better, you do better."
Bravo! Is their a triple like anywhere?
I am completely honest with my kids, period. As long as it is age appropriate. If they have questions I answer them honestly and age appropriately. I want my kids to trust me and they usually come to me instead of their peers because of it. I have 7 kids myself and looking forward to a slew of grandkiddies one day.
AMEN!! Bravo! Everyone in my household supports the fact that I have quit smoking and love that I now vape. That is part of the reason I even thought about vaping seriously. I had many reasons to want to quit. However, the idea that I could get out of the cold and vape...sealed the deal for me! I live in a state where it is pretty much winter for over half the year! so I completely agree "If I'm really going to stop for good, I'm going to get some pluses out of it...and I'm not going to stand out in the cold to vape. I however, enjoy vaping during summer but again winter lasts super long here!
Wow! You even beat the Brady Bunch, (Alice doesn't count, LOL) that's amazing in this day and age! Nice to meet ya, AngelsRUs!
ROFLMBO! Yep I'm a baby factory...Seriously I love kids..all kids...mine especially! I always wanted a big family, I knew what it was like to grow up alone. When my heart finally stops beating I know my kids will have each other and still have family around. Nice to meet you too!
Dear god, I LOVE that video
at about 3:58 on part 2, where the talkshow host was saying something to the effect of "I walk into a restaurant with smokers and demand everyone stop smoking... the world revolves around me." I think I actually said "AMEN" aloud!!!
I'm trying my d@mndest to quit smoking, but as Penn said: "Freedom is more important than our (nonsmokers) comfort."
I'm another one that's just rubbed the wrong way by all the nanny legislature. If someone isn't comfortable with smoking in an establishment, they're more than welcome to patronize another establishment. Don't force everyone else to cater.
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Dear god, I LOVE that video
at about 3:58 on part 2, where the talkshow host was saying something to the effect of "I walk into a restaurant with smokers and demand everyone stop smoking... the world revolves around me." I think I actually said "AMEN" aloud!!!
I'm trying my d@mndest to quit smoking, but as Penn said: "Freedom is more important than our (nonsmokers) comfort."
I'm another one that's just rubbed the wrong way by all the nanny legislature. If someone isn't comfortable with smoking in an establishment, they're more than welcome to patronize another establishment. Don't force everyone else to cater.
I feel the same way...I don't mind at all if a business decides to ban smoking, that's THEIR RIGHT but, for the nanny state to issue a blanket decree just burns me up...locally, when they enacted a restaurant ban, a couple of restaurants set up smoking areas, completely separate from the rest of the building, complete with their own air handling system...one even setup in a separate building and they were still FORCED to comply with the blanket ban...now they are pushing hard for a statewide ban in bars and casinos...just way too much sugar for a dime!!!!!!
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