I don't vape around my children, not only because of unknown affects of vapor, but mainly because of possible battery failure...
But you know when they release that one study that we all know is coming, that when they put the mice in the sealed running wheels that make them run non-stop while breathing in our "vapor" (would probably be 128 mg nic), and they die 2 years faster than the other mouse that's left to play and run around freely in it's own cage, that it will be the vapor that killed it and so therefore it's highly toxic and dangerous.
My father is a metallurgical engineer. As a kid I remember being deathly afraid of mercury, cyanide, and other poisons he used in his line of work. My father told me that everything is poisonous if taken to excess - even water. It's not the poison, but the quantity that will kill you.
Reverse this line of thought, then everything in moderation is probably good for you. As a teacher, I see the ramifications of "avoidance" amongst our kids. They don't venture outside and play anymore, staying inside where it's safe. Kids get fat and develop diabetes and other couch-potato ailments. Their houses are disinfected of all germs and dirt. Kids develop allergies - some severe and life-threatening.
So, perhaps a little smoke, a little vapor, isn't so bad after all. I don't want me, nor my kids, to live in a bubble. Where's the quality of life (and health) with that kind of protectionism?
Cigarettes were never considered safe. 100-200 years ago people only lived until they were 40 or so and they died of other things long before they could develop lung cancer or anything associated with cigarettes. From the time they started actually doing tests, the tobacco companies knew they weren't safe.
How exactly do you envision juice being regulated? Or self-regulated? What do you want to see happen? Who is going to do it? Who is going to enforce it?
This is such a circular argument that goes on all the time here and just goes round and round. Name one thing- just one thing that's proven to be safe. Anything?
My thoughts exactly, put into better words by somebody who sees it every day first hand. Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way. Abusing a child is a horrible thing, but sometimes being extremely overprotective can be just as bad.
My parents were on DIY distilled H2O till their health guru said they must add minerals to it.
Overprotection is the norm these days. Gone are the days when mom's kicked the kids out of the house in the morning so they could go play, build forts, rafts, explore, make up their own games with neighborhood kids...coming home at lunch time - if they hear mom calling. Gone are the days when kids walked to school unescorted from kindergarten on. Gone are the days when kids learned their place, had responsibilities and suffered real consequences of their actions or inactions.
As far as second hand vapor goes - don't blow it in their faces, but don't hide it, either. Their world is full of dangers and poisons - even in their food. Like wacomme said, don't keep them in a bubble. Let them experience life and learn and grow - hopefully into responsible, independent adults.
Etbktm - this isn't directed straight at you, but your quote kinda seems to pull all the other posts together into one.
I don't understand the "raise my kids in a bubble" thing parents are doing these days. If your kids was born with or has at some point developed serious health issues, I can understand and agree. But if you're just "protecting" your kids to keep them "healthy" by not allowing them to do anything with risks, only eating tofu and drinking soy milk....to each their own. I guess it's cute when a toddler has on so much padding they can barely walk let alone attempt to safely operate whatever toy it is the parent is protecting them from (skateboard, bicycle, scooter, etc). Just so the parent feels that the child is "protected". I know, I don't have to get it. To each their own.
**edit** I hope you and your kids travel by human power bicycles everywhere you go. Cause gasoline powered cars are putting out more child-killing toxic gases than any e-cig could ever hope of. If you're "green" and don't believe in gasoline powered and only drive your hybrid/electric car....you wanna talk about battery failure? In comparison, one of those cars would be like Hiroshima, while your ecig would be more like an airsoft bb gun
If you don't want to model bad behaviour to your kids, quit. Sure beats hiding things from them.
Kids are more likely to smoke if their parents smoke, yes. I just believe that if you think you're doing something you never want your kids to do, then just don't do it.
Hiding things from them just seems dishonest to me. Imagine them finding out years later that you do smoke, or vape, or whatever, and you weren't upfront with them. I figure when that happens, you lose a certain amount of credibility, as in "what else does he/she do that he/she hasn't told us"? Credibility/respect is important and can't be bought.
There are many, many evils in this world that parents need to be aware of and proactive about; vaping is the least of a parent's worries.
I have 4 children ages 9 - 30, and 6 grandchildren, so I'm not pulling my opinion directly out of my ..... I have thought long and hard about this sort of thing over the years and find that, in most things, there is a certain compromise to be made to keep our perspectives balanced.
I vape inside with a kid in the house.
I never smoked cigs inside.
One, like many people I grew up in a smoking house. It didn't kill me. Now, we're smart enough to not do it with kids around since it's clearly bad, but I'm not going to be part of the "wrap everyone in a bubble" society. It pisses me off my kid can't leave the house to play without a helmet on or the Parent Police might arrest me.
Two, common sense says these things aren't bad enough for me to worry about. I'm not smoking next to him, I'm not blowing it in his face. But no way are these things going to cause him to grow up with a hunchback.
Three, it's convenient. If I'm really going to stop smoking for good by vaping I'm going to get pluses out of it. My lungs aren't be killed, I'm saving money, and I'm not going to stand out in the cold/heat to vape.
I have 7 kids myself and looking forward to a slew of grandkiddies one day.
Wow! You even beat the Brady Bunch, (Alice doesn't count, LOL) that's amazing in this day and age! Nice to meet ya, AngelsRUs!
Oh, and in case anyone wants another side to the second-hand-smoke issue:
(Warning: coarse language)
EDIT: different version with part 2
Penn & Teller Bull.... - Second Hand Smoke & Baby Bull.... Part 1 - YouTube
Penn & Teller Bull.... - Second Hand Smoke & Baby Bull.... Part 2 - YouTube
(^link in case auto-play doesn't load the second part)
Dear god, I LOVE that video
at about 3:58 on part 2, where the talkshow host was saying something to the effect of "I walk into a restaurant with smokers and demand everyone stop smoking... the world revolves around me." I think I actually said "AMEN" aloud!!!
I'm trying my d@mndest to quit smoking, but as Penn said: "Freedom is more important than our (nonsmokers) comfort."
I'm another one that's just rubbed the wrong way by all the nanny legislature. If someone isn't comfortable with smoking in an establishment, they're more than welcome to patronize another establishment. Don't force everyone else to cater.