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Gordon/Vitale Bill Would Ban Sale Of So-Called “E-Cigarettes”

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  1. IsxFun

    IsxFun Full Member

    Aug 31, 2009
    December 7, 2009 - 1:42pm

    Gordon/Vitale Bill Would Ban Sale Of So-Called “E-Cigarettes”

    By Matthew Reilly TRENTON – A bill sponsored by Sen. Bob Gordon and Sen. Joseph Vitale to apply the provisions of the “New Jersey Smoke Free Air Act,” banning smoking in public places or the sale of smoking products to minors, to the use of electronic smoking devices, commonly known as e-cigarettes, was approved 6-0 today by the Senate Health, Human Services and Senior Citizens Committee.

    The bill, a Senate committee substitute for (S3053/S3054), would expand the definition of "smoking" to include e-cigarettes. It would define smoking as the burning or inhaling of tobacco or any other matter than can be smoked or inhaled, or the inhaling of smoke or vapor from an electronic smoking device

    Gordon/Vitale Bill Would Ban Sale Of So-Called ?E-Cigarettes? | Politicker NJ
  2. Slickstick

    Slickstick Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    I believe this is unconstitutional. Are they really that ignorant or do they expect the people to be ignorant? How can they "expand" it to include E-cigarettes when it puts off no smoke whatsoever, and it does not burn tobacco, or even ignite a flame. The Health Department In Virginia said the same thing on the FAQ website. Vapor is harmless and these people are idiots. I am constantly riding around in my vehicle with my no smoking, no vaping wife while I vape, and she can't even tell I am vaping anything. I guess they want everyone to go outside and breathe the jersey shore dump and automobile fumes.
  3. BigJimW

    BigJimW Moved On ECF Veteran

    May 17, 2009
    Warwick, RI
    Well, this is what we're facing folks. Idiots. Expect it to get a lot worse than this before it gets any better.

    But then again I expect the United States to buckle like the Roman Empire in my lifetime because we let jagoffs like this run this country into the ground.
  4. Raven1

    Raven1 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 24, 2009
    Akron, OH USA
    The title is mis-leading. The article is talking about banning them in public, like regular cigarettes, not banning the sale of e-cigs (only to minors).
  5. MightoftheWest

    MightoftheWest Senior Member ECF Veteran

    "other matter than can be smoked or inhaled"

    I inhale a very dangerous vapor daily... HUMIDITY/AIR

    Does America really need a law for everything.
  6. Our House

    Our House Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 29, 2009
    NJ, USA
    I want to see someone get a fine for vaping in a theater. Or at a nightclub. Or a private party with DJ/Band. Or anywhere else this Propylene Glycol is used in public air.

    EDIT: also notice how Health Canada was quoted in saying that PG is an irritant. I guess the FDA's GRAS stance on PG wasn't good enough for them. And since when is a foreign country's policy/information valid in the US??? If that's the case, we've already proven PVs safe by means of Europe, South Africa, and New Zealand!
  7. lostdaze

    lostdaze Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 7, 2009
    I agree with jim, too many jagoffs running our country into the ground.
  8. JerryRM

    JerryRM ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    They are so worried about cigarette smoke and now e-cigarette vapor polluting the air and killing innocent bystanders !!!

    I do a lot of walking and I can't stand the fumes and smell from the cars and trucks that pass by me, especially since I quit smoking. I am not saying that they should ban automobiles, but it's a sick joke the way they blame cigarettes/e-cigarettes for polluting the atmosphere !!! :mad:
  9. oldlady

    oldlady Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 7, 2009
    Charleston, SC
    Okay, now everybody in New Jersey needs to contact their representatives to the state legislature...
  10. OutWest

    OutWest Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Feb 8, 2009
    Oklahoma USA
    "or any other matter than can be smoked or inhaled,"

    sounds to me like it would also apply to inhalers. Sorry asthmatics, but you gotta go outside if youre having an asthma attack before you can take your meds.
  11. kristin

    kristin Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Very poorly written law, unless the OP didn't post exemptions and it's paraphrased or mis-quoted in the article. This would include any kind of inhaler and AIR!

    "the burning or inhaling of tobacco or any other matter that can be smoked or inhaled"

    (Read it with "burning," "tobacco" and "smoked" removed from the sentence!)
  12. Our House

    Our House Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 29, 2009
    NJ, USA
    Reading that article, it seems the only health (non)concern is PG and the only reason they are using to ban ecigs from public use is because "it looks like smoking."

    Selling to minors -- I AGREE. Please make a law against it. But not adults!
  13. NekoGurrl

    NekoGurrl Super Member ECF Veteran

    May 14, 2009
    Muskego, WI
    Quite right, that bills wording could also ban the use of portable nebulizers, and possibility emergency inhalers. Both give off a visible vapor. Not to mention fog machines.
  14. TropicalBob

    TropicalBob Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jan 13, 2008
    Port Charlotte, FL USA
    How overwhelming are e-cigs despised? This was the Assembly vote:

    Not a lot of support, eh?

    Wording can be reworded. Intent is not easily changed.
  15. KevinG

    KevinG Moved On

    Apr 30, 2009
    The atual wording is:

    They do state a specific, not just a vague "any vapor" kind of statement...

  16. BlueBloodedCatFan

    BlueBloodedCatFan Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 8, 2009
    Newnan, GA
    Does this include Nicotrol also? This is a prescription drug

    This was taking from the pdrhealth dot com website
  17. sbphotog

    sbphotog Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 17, 2009
    I love how they keep bringing "antifreeze" into it.

    "Propylene glycol, which is used in antifreeze, is the liquid that vaporizes when a person exhales and produces a mist that is nearly identical in appearance to tobacco smoke"

    So what if it's used in antifreeze? PG is found in alot of products and has been deemed as safe use. And as far as not knowing the effects of inhaling it...It's in my husbands asthma inhaler, so if it's safe for him to inhale, why not me? PG's also in injectable meds as well to dilute and thin out thick IV meds. If it can be injected directly into my blood without incident, then I'm not worried about it. And yeah, it may be an irritant...but so is the air I breathe everyday thanks to cars, factorys, second-hand smoke, yada yada yada.

    I don't understand the fda's arguments about the e-cig. the ingredients consist of things that have already been deemed safe (by them) and are used in a myriad of other products. The only thing that makes any sense to me is that big tobacco is having a fit and riding the fda (possibly bribing them too) to do away with our PV's cause they are in fear of losing money.

    just found this: The Dangers of Inhaling Propylene Glycol
  18. maureengill

    maureengill Moved On ECF Veteran

    Oct 3, 2009
    Trainer PA
    Does that mean they are going to start banning driving cars too? If my pg vapor is so bad I can just imagine how bad vehicle emissions are....

    On the other looks like it specifically banned sale to MINORS...which I can agree with....minors don't want these anyway. (or maybe they would if they are hooked on cigarettes like I was by age 11 but back then nobody really cared about kids not smoking back then...oh how times change)

  19. labrat

    labrat Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 10, 2009
    The EPA has just issued a statement that says CO2 is a pollutant and MUST be regulated. The nannies are winning and it sucks. And the most sad part is they actually believe the lies. I just pray we get the "right" side back in power to try and stop this rediculous chit.
  20. Frostmonkey

    Frostmonkey Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 31, 2009
    Joliet, IL I'm moving to New Zealand then? I'm down.......Take me anywhere I don't have to wake up and read this illogical uncaring BS news...
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