Vaping "more dangerous than traditional cigarettes"

[Our House]

Jim,

If you read your article from a layperson's point of view, it's pretty negative for people in our state. The average consumer will read it and think ecigs are banned completely in the state, and even if they don't, they will believe the law is already in effect and stop using PVs indoors. (it doesn't go into effect for 180 days IIRC).

 

[BigJimW]

Jim,

If you read your article from a layperson's point of view, it's pretty negative for people in our state. The average consumer will read it and think ecigs are banned completely in the state, and even if they don't, they will believe the law is already in effect and stop using PVs indoors. (it doesn't go into effect for 180 days IIRC).

Well, not nessisarily. Most people would have read the original story. My concerns was with that assinine comment made by Gordon which pretty much proclaims that real cigarettes are less harmful than the electronic ones. Reading their article from the same laypersons POV, that's what I'd be thinking. The FDA already did enough damage in this respect. Last thing the people need is some idiot senator saying the same thing.

 

[Jsis]

http://healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport21-Oct-08.pdf

Worthy off a read gals/guys if you want too know whats really inside and the dangers. Funny enough the only inherent problem is if you pass your digital around. You never know what the person standing next to you may have !!!

Nicotine n alcohol... Yet we determing how moderate/excessive.

Ohhh... and don't leave Nico juice around small children. We all know that one.

 

[Jsis]

Instead of calling his office and screaming, why not try to educate him. Inform him of the many thousands who have become tobacco free from e-cigs. When a person is ignorant, you can try to educate them. The worst thing you want is to challenge them and get into a pissing contest.

That's probably the last thing they want. This may sound couterproductive but how much do they lose in Tax for every person that gives up. It's a monopoly out there and I imagine thats their main concerns. Since when do our governments really give a t oss about the people. We are here to serve them and what they don't like. Is us fighting back. Best you start budgeting and planning well whilst you still have money. I don't understand why it isn't easier for the Uk to test them rather than just Bad em. Or is it because they simply aren't payed enough to do so yet ? That really sucks !!

 

[BigJimW]

http://healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport21-Oct-08.pdf

Worthy off a read gals/guys if you want too know whats really inside and the dangers. Funny enough the only inherent problem is if you pass your digital around. You never know what the person standing next to you may have !!!

Nicotine n alcohol... Yet we determing how moderate/excessive.

Ohhh... and don't leave Nico juice around small children. We all know that one.

Very well known report around these here parts. I'm also pretty sure that Judge Leon had a copy sitting on his desk when he was researching before making his ruling. The big difference between this report from New Zealand and the one from the FDA is that the New Zealand report states that the constituants in the vapor are so miniscule that they do not post a health hazard. The FDA, on the other hand, found the same constituants in the same trace amounts and pounced on the "These things have cancer written all over them!" bandwagon.

The real sad part to this is the fact that the world generally listens to the FDA and follows what they say, even if it's wrong. This ultimately will have the effect of increasing cancer related deaths WORLDWIDE, and not just in the US, because of the FDA and their slipshod "report".

 

[Jsis]

So how do we over rule them ?

I think they need a branch directly away from the associated governments that show the truth about what is really inside off ciggerettes and also how much they make from this and more to a point where also that money then goes as obviously the tax payer still makes up the majority whenever we have a crisis off any such kind.

I recently came outa hospital with Tension Pneurothorax. A killer. Last febuary it was pneurothorax which aint quite as bad but still hurts more than you'd imagine. Kinda like a 10ton truck resting on your chest !! I'll never go back to anolougues even if I was paided to do so. My life is dependant on that. And as a craver of nicotine. The E-nids are a God Send for me. Plus I know exactly whats in them and they don't leave me broke.

Maybe it's just time the world grew up and started being real about the whole situation. I on the other hand. Want out !

 

[chrisl317]

It's not money and power themselves that are the root of all evil, it's the love of them. Both money and power can be powerful sources of good in the right hands.

Don't forget ego's are also involved - "Hey, Look at us!, we just signed in a law to protect you people because you aren't smart enough to do it for yourselves!"

 

[dolvey]

This really has nothing to do with e-cigs, it is all about Americans being independent and stepping out from under the control of government and the elite. These politicians will attack anything that circumvents them from being able to control our lives through taxation or regulation.

I agree more and more with the "vote out encumbants" movement because it would quickly let all politicians know that they work for us and they exist by our graces not the other way around. A complete overturn of the congress would also break up all of the good ole boy networks.

 

[BigJimW]

So how do we over rule them ?

It's called elections. Voting them out of office.

Unfortunately in this country, many people don't really pay any attention to issues until an issue comes up and bites them in the ..... By then, it's usually too late. People mainly vote for familiar names (popularity) and little is paid attention to regarding the issues at hand. It's called public apathy, and that is what is driving this country into more of a regime than a free nation.

You should see it around here. Our area is full of senior citizens that votes for the same chuckleheads into office over and over. All the politicians need to do is stop in the old folks homes and give them a free chicken dinner. 8-o

 

[BigJimW]

Picked up on Tobaccrg

http://www.tobacco.org/news/295558.html

 

[Bill Godshall]

I love the press release (and it's a press release, not a news article) exposing NJ Sen. Robert Gordon's comments about e-cigarettes. It appears to me that the press release was not issued by Gordon, but by an e-cigarette advocate who wants to expose Gordon's absurdity and to deservedly poke fun at him.

If anyone wants to contact Senator Gordon his e-mail is: SenGordon@NJleg.org

Here's the letter I sent him more than a month ago, which he never responded to.

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Godshall
To: Robert Gordon
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: Oppose e-cigarette usage ban, support no sales to minors


Dear Senator Gordon:

To improve public health, Smokefree Pennsylvania urges you to SUPPORT S-3504 (to ban sales of electronic cigarettes to minors under 19) and to REJECT S-3503 (to ban adult use of electronic cigarettes in ALL indoor workplaces).

As you may be aware, about 100,000 smokers in the US have quit smoking by switching to smokefree nicotine inhalers (commonly called electronic cigarettes) during the past several years. Electronic cigarettes (aka e-cigarettes) look like a real cigarette, but emit NO hazardous tobacco smoke, and pose NO risks to nonusers. E-cigarettes emit a tiny amount of nicotine to users, and emit a tiny amount of propylene glycol vapor (commonly used in theatrical fog, asthma inhalers and thousands of air sanitizing products). The inhalation of propylene glycol has been extensively studies for many decades, and poses no health risks at the tiny levels emitted by e-cigarettes.

Unfortunately for public health and common sense, S-3503 inaccurately redefines "smoking" as including the use of smokefree e-cigarettes in order to ban the use of these lifesaving products in all workplaces in NJ (including in the privacy of one's office, work station, etc.). While Smokefree Pennsylvania has advocated smokefree workplace laws for more than 20 years (because tobacco smoke pollution poses a health hazard to people and property), we urge you to REJECT S-3503 because it improperly defines the usage of smokefree products as "smoking", unfairly discriminates against e-cigarette users who have recently quit smoking, would force e-cigarette users outside into smoking areas to obtain smokefree nicotine, and would discourage hundreds of thousands of smokers from quitting and/or reducing cigarette consumption by switching to e-cigarettes.

Proponents of S-3503 have grossly and intentionally misrepresented the health risks of e-cigarettes in order to scare legislators into voting for this unwarranted legislation that threatens (instead of improves) public health. Smokers who have recently quit and/or are trying to quit need support, not harassment and ostracism.

We also urge you SUPPORT S-3504 (that would prohibit the sale of e-cigarettes to minors under 19 years) because it is a reasonable and responsible public health meausure. Although there is no evidence that e-cigarettes have been marketed to youth (as some proponents of S-3504 have falsely claimed), enactment of this legislation would help prevent future sales of these products to minors (similar to laws that prohibit tobacco sales to minors).

Thank you for your consideration, and feel free to contact me any time for additional information or assistance.

William T. Godshall, MPH
Executive Director
Smokefree Pennsylvania
1926 Monongahela Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA 15218
412-351-5880
FAX 351-5881
smokefree@compuserve.com