California: bill to define e-cigs a drug (= sales prohibition?)

[cyb0rg]

I don't think the State has the power to decide this. This is up to the FDA and the federal courts to decide. If that bill goes through I would probably fire up a civil suit stating that the State of California is attempting to override federal statutes. It's almost identical to the medical ......... issue but instead of legalizing they are illegalizing. Legalizing ......... for medical use but banning e-cigs? That makes no .......ing sense to me, especially when there is no evidence that e-cigs are more harmful than tobacco or even ........., although there is evidence that proves they are much SAFER (google the results of the testing done in New Zealand on the safety of e-cigs).

 

[johnny bobcat]

just one more instance of the government trying to screw with our liberties, although i can see an upside to this, necessity being the mother of invention, someone is bound to invent an easy way to make a homemade atomizer, which wouldn't be illegal according to this bill, and neither would e-liquid, it only bans the device, and not the vaporized nicotine solution, so we'll all become modders and get really good at soldering, it wouldn't be that bad.

 

[Glo82]

just one more instance of the government trying to screw with our liberties, although i can see an upside to this, necessity being the mother of invention, someone is bound to invent an easy way to make a homemade atomizer, which wouldn't be illegal according to this bill, and neither would e-liquid, it only bans the device, and not the vaporized nicotine solution, so we'll all become modders and get really good at soldering, it wouldn't be that bad.

My boyfriend knows how to solder, but I really don't want to have to go that route! I'm going to read more about this. In the meantime, I am truly disturbed by the things legislators choose to focus on. I mean I have potholes the size of a small village on a major boulevard, in an upscale neighborhood? WTF!

They need to do thier job, not make it LOOK like they are doing their job.

 

[Glo82]

I will shoot somebody an e-mail this weekend. I have to find some cartos for next week!

I do not think that this would be an issue due to the scumbags that let my brother and sister out multiple times for drug possession. This will be less than their possession of Mari-Jane, or pillZ. Brother has been to prison 3 times, sister is finally clean but fried her brain. Keeping these two behind bars and forcing longer sober periods would have been better for them. <Guts Spilled>

(What are they going to do: "OK I need you to pour that out in the dirt and grind it with your foot!"? I'll be getting fake wall socket safes and such, Those BASTAGES!!!)

EDIT: A wrist slap, if even that, like they do for drug users.

I don't want to be treated like a drug user for using a drug that is legal to use in a MORE DANGEROUS FORM!

We should march on the capital before the vote or something, this is not okay!

I understand this being illegal for minors, of course it should be, but for adults to use A LEGAL SUBSTANCE in a different form, to be illegal, is just dumb. To waste tax dollars on enforcement would be a travesty!

 

[DirtyHarry]

Ironically, shortly before I started vaping (and thus quit the analogs entirely), I moved to California's District 10. Ellen Corbett is "my" State Senator.

As of today, CAL-LAW shows no change in the bill other than it being assigned to the Health Committee. Now, this probably just means it hasn't been heard by the Committee yet, so there has been no opportunity to amend (as a previous poster said Corbett was going to do).

That being said, I'm going to keep an eye on this; status link here:

SB 882 Assembly Bill - Status

I think local SF Bay Area vapers should consider attending her "Walking Town Hall" on April 10th. Be polite - catch more flies with sugar than ... you know.

http://senweb03.senate.ca.gov/focus/static/sd10/EarthDay2010.pdf

Unfortunately, I won't be attending... I'll be in Reno at my bachelor's party.

But my snail-mail letter is on the way (snail-mail has more impact, especially from a constituent)...

- Inspector Callahan

 

[Canute]

Everyone interested in this should check out what I just posted at:

----searched for the right thing but got an advertisement/news story look alike-----

See my later post for the correct news story

 

[Intense]

I'm sick of being told what I can and can't do by the crappy leadership in this country.

 

[Idaho Ron]

You aint seen nothing yet. In the next 10 months you are going to see more right infringing legeslation in DC then was seen in the Soviet Union in the last 10 years.

 

[5cardstud]

Not to be stupid but does this mean if you put nicotine in your tea pot that teapots will be banned or how about steambaths with nicotine in them? This bill would cover a whole class of devices. Actually anything that produces vapor.

 

[jiff]

In the next 10 months you are going to see more right infringing legeslation in DC then was seen in the Soviet Union in the last 10 years.

Err... Former Solviet Union, you mean?

 

[Intense]

If what's been going on in this Country since 911 is any indication, I'm afraid your probably right.

 

[Canute]

Ok guys here it is. We were told of this before it aired last night. Take note of the fact that they mention Corbett's bill is to "prohibit sales to those under 18". Let's hope they are in fact correctly representing the amendments to SB 882

News10.net | Sacramento - Stockton - Modesto, California | Video

 

[ladysolitary85]

Well they did a good job for not selling to a minor. Kudos to the clerk.

I just hope people open their eyes for once.

 

[DirtyHarry]

Yeah, I think most retail sellers will go by the common-sense "nicotine product, thus 18+ to buy PV products" mode even if there is not a specific law against it (this is yet another example of "legislation is a trailing trend, not a leading one" reality-based model of governance).

Still no official movement of the bill, although - again - it's likely it hasn't been read in committee yet so nothing will be posted until it is read and amendments proposed/accepted. That is not to say that "verbal" negotiation isn't happening in the "cloak-rooms" even now... but as the song says, "It don't mean nothin' 'till you sign it on the dotted line".

- Inspector 2211

 

[ladysolitary85]

CURRENT BILL STATUS


MEASURE : S.B. No. 882
AUTHOR(S) : Corbett.
TOPIC : Tobacco: electronic cigarettes.
HOUSE LOCATION : SEN
+LAST AMENDED DATE : 04/05/2010


TYPE OF BILL :
Active
Urgency
Non-Appropriations
2/3 Vote Required
State-Mandated Local Program
Fiscal
Non-Tax Levy

LAST HIST. ACT. DATE: 04/06/2010
LAST HIST. ACTION : Withdrawn from committee. Re-referred to Com. on RLS.
COMM. LOCATION : SEN HEALTH

TITLE : An act to add Sections 16005 and 16106 to the Business
and Professions Code, relating to tobacco, and declaring
the urgency thereof, to take effect immediately.

 

[shanobi187]

i find this a little ridiculous in the light they are voting on whether to legalize .......... a little backwards don't you think?

 

[mwa102464]

Really funny they wanna legalize dope but ban ecigs, I think Arny must have shot to many roids in his .... during his muscle days

 

[ladysolitary85]

Another interesting thing:

SB 882 Senate Bill - AMENDED

 

[Drozd]

yes it was amended to only ban sales to minors

 

[CES]

yes it was amended to only ban sales to minors

and human cloning