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Oh good god. That's like saying the first car with an odometer measuring mph patented that term for odometers in cars.
Just another instance of patent abuse. Apple won billions from Google in the cellphone wars because Google dared to use the "rectangle with rounded corners" form factor. We really need a patent law re-do. Patent trolling has become an actual career.
 

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Just another instance of patent abuse. Apple won billions from Google in the cellphone wars because Google dared to use the "rectangle with rounded corners" form factor. We really need a patent law re-do. Patent trolling has become an actual career.

I agree. I did a search and came up with this:

Origin-Vape-Wismec-Reuleaux-RX200-vs-DNA-200-02.jpg


The chip on the left is RX200, the one on the right is the DNA200. They look like totally different IC boards with a generally similar form factor. The dna has a bigger screen, looks like a lot less IC's. So, if they plan on suing for copying them, then they're wrong. My case....

George B Selden Vs Ford. Selden had a copyright on a motorized four wheeled vehicles. for some time, everyone payed him a royalty or suffer court fees. Ford challenged them, and won. If it weren't for Ford, then the industry probably would've stagnated for quite a few years, and many companies wouldn't exist.

I think the RX chip does offer a variable wattage/temperature device in the same range. However, looking at the two different chips side by side, they do it in a totally different way. just like my analogy with the cars, same general idea, different approach. I sure hope Evolv doesn't win this one... It'll be another banned item like the Ameravape.
 

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I agree. I did a search and came up with this:

Origin-Vape-Wismec-Reuleaux-RX200-vs-DNA-200-02.jpg


The chip on the left is RX200, the one on the right is the DNA200. They look like totally different IC boards with a generally similar form factor. The DNA has a bigger screen, looks like a lot less IC's. So, if they plan on suing for copying them, then they're wrong. My case....

George B Selden Vs Ford. Selden had a copyright on a motorized four wheeled vehicles. for some time, everyone payed him a royalty or suffer court fees. Ford challenged them, and won. If it weren't for Ford, then the industry probably would've stagnated for quite a few years, and many companies wouldn't exist.

I think the RX chip does offer a variable wattage/temperature device in the same range. However, looking at the two different chips side by side, they do it in a totally different way. just like my analogy with the cars, same general idea, different approach. I sure hope Evolv doesn't win this one... It'll be another banned item like the Ameravape.
Thank you. I agree. You can't patent watts, any more than you can patent sunshine. We shall see. I suspect Evolv is put out over Joye/Wismec selling so many of them. No idea how many of the DNA board models are moving, but the RXs are flying off the shelves. Win, lose or draw, I think Evolv is going to lose a lot of their audience. Apple took a sales hit on cellphones about the time they won the case I mentioned above.

Thanks for the photo. I can't see the board itself being found an infringement. That's a completely different design and a different circuit, it's just laid out on a board that happens to fit in the same case.
 

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They are actually suing over a patent from 2014 and naming the entire Joyetech lineup. This is 21 mods if I counted correctly. Really, they could decide to hit every manufacturer using a non Evolv chip that uses VW if they want to.
They can and, if they win, they will. This is going to make a lot of people mad.
 

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I agree. I did a search and came up with this:

Origin-Vape-Wismec-Reuleaux-RX200-vs-DNA-200-02.jpg


The chip on the left is RX200, the one on the right is the DNA200. They look like totally different IC boards with a generally similar form factor. The DNA has a bigger screen, looks like a lot less IC's. So, if they plan on suing for copying them, then they're wrong. My case....

George B Selden Vs Ford. Selden had a copyright on a motorized four wheeled vehicles. for some time, everyone payed him a royalty or suffer court fees. Ford challenged them, and won. If it weren't for Ford, then the industry probably would've stagnated for quite a few years, and many companies wouldn't exist.

I think the RX chip does offer a variable wattage/temperature device in the same range. However, looking at the two different chips side by side, they do it in a totally different way. just like my analogy with the cars, same general idea, different approach. I sure hope Evolv doesn't win this one... It'll be another banned item like the Ameravape.
Great post!

They are actually suing over a patent from 2014 and naming the entire Joyetech lineup. This is 21 mods if I counted correctly. Really, they could decide to hit every manufacturer using a non Evolv chip that uses VW if they want to.
Great post too Aud. The last statement is what I was fearing. What's to stop them from going after everyone else if they get past Wismec/JT.
 

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You guys act like civil suits are solved in a day! These are two very big companies with lots of money & could get tied up for years!
And what's it gonna matter if deeming takes affect? Although I ABSOLUTELY LOVE my RX200 it would be a big mistake for me to think there to think there is not probably something equal or hopefully better in the works somewhere! Wismec is probably counting on this creating a rush on the RX so even if they loose they win! it's too early for me to panic! Not saying that's what's going on here in this awesome thread, but it absolutely will elsewhere!



EDIT: Forgot to hit post yesterday! Still wanted to say it though!:headbang:
 

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I will check VaporDNA, but the red and black has been preorder everywhere. No insurance we will actually get one.

I think many people are not understanding the lawsuit. They aren't saying exactly that the rx200 board is a clone of the DNA200, but using their patent from two years ago on wattage control instead as the basis.
 

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You guys act like civil suits are solved in a day! These are two very big companies with lots of money & could get tied up for years!
And what's it gonna matter if deeming takes affect? Although I ABSOLUTELY LOVE my RX200 it would be a big mistake for me to think there to think there is not probably something equal or hopefully better in the works somewhere! Wismec is probably counting on this creating a rush on the RX so even if they loose they win! it's too early for me to panic! Not saying that's what's going on here in this awesome thread, but it absolutely will elsewhere!
EDIT: Forgot to hit post yesterday! Still wanted to say it though!:headbang:

You're right it wont be over in a day but the cease and desist will shut the sale of the mods down if granted before the suit is final.
 
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