Little itty bitty mods under $100.

[pokemom]

The Evic VT in "cool black" is on it's way to me. Cant pass up a 5000 mAh battery and to test the temperature control option for less than $80 shipped (full kit).

And it's not any larger than the istick 50W, just a tad heavier.

I was looking at the evic vt, but haven't seen it for less than $80. Where????

 

[jefsview]

I was looking at the evic vt, but haven't seen it for less than $80. Where????

VapeNW has the full kit for $69.99 ($5.00 priority shipping). The express kit is only $55.

 

[Kent C]

Those size and weight comparisons are invaluable. Ty. I'm kinda frustrated that so many manufacturers seem to leave that consideration out of their design; smok, Siegeli specifically. My hand is not square. It does not fit around a box. Siegeli did the same to their 75w tc unit and then ask over $100 on pre-order?

For me, getting burned by the istick 50w soured me. Even the istick 30w's have a higher rate of failure than what I consider "average" in that I tend to expect at least a 6 month life span and they aren't making it that long.

I have more faith in Innokin to produce a quality built-in battery device that will last awhile and I tend to rate that as a better value for now. I'm not familar with Heatvape's products, but that's a very smart design. I wish I could buy them all really.

I like having a good mix of built in and replaceable batteries. The Subox definatley fits in. I'm not going to be able to resist much longer. Between all these higher wattage boxes and attys, plus the addition of temperature control, it seems like vaping equipment has turned a new corner in less than a month - and it's a whole new world!!!

Glad the information was of use :- ) I'm a 'flavor chaser' mouth to lung tootle puffer. I don't see me vaping over 20W anytime soon if ever. (hence TC not a factor although the Subox has a 'temperature alert' for chip, etc. but I likely will never see that :- )

I go 15W sometimes on espresso but usually 13W. 11-12.5W on the stronger flavors and 8-9W on the lighter ones. Wire gauge is a factor. With eGos I'd vape at around 8.5-9.5 watts on strong flavors and 6.5-7W on lighter flavors. (10+ on espresso). On the eGo/T3S micro coils - the '8-9W would burn lighter flavors but not on the current tanks/coils I'm using.

I'll likely sell my istick 50 but have not had any problems with 30's - DW likes hers, but still prefer the hand fit of the Defender's two curved sides. I don't have to 'raise' my index finger to fire as I do with the 30. If I rotate the 30 clockwise I don't have to raise the index finger but then the curved side of the 30 isn't in the 'right place' lol. It all has to do with hand size.

If at some point you go to Heatvape - get the Defender not the Invader mini for hand fit, and weight. The Invader mini is 7.7oz vs. 4.3oz (Defender) without a tank. The Invader mini does have TC but I've never used it. I had it on the rDNA-40 and it was fine, but it's in someone else's hand now...

 

[Susaz]

For Kyl here's a picture of both the istick 30 and the Defender side by side: (the one on the left is a heatvape invader mini and the defender and istick are close as far as weight goes).

Hey! Except for the colors seems we have the SAME PVs. To date:
iStick 30 (2)
Sigelei Mini
Defender silver
Invader blue
IPV Mini
Subox mini
rDNA40
Yihi SX mini Class M
IPV V4
on its way: Hana DNA 40 mini, eGrip Oled and a Reo Grand (I finally gave in!)

 

[Kent C]

Glad I'm not the only one. Mine arrived a week ago and nobody could beleive it... That box is a serious contender. I haven't found the OCC coils either, I'm on the lookout too.

Well it was exactly as you described See also my post 2 above your post here.... some speculation as to why that might be....

 

[pokemom]

VapeNW has the full kit for $69.99 ($5.00 priority shipping). The express kit is only $55.

wow, thanks.

 

[Kent C]

Hey! Except for the colors seems we have the SAME PVs. To date:
iStick 30 (2)
Sigelei Mini
Defender silver
Invader blue
IPV Mini
Subox mini
rDNA40
Yihi SX mini Class M
IPV V4
on its way: Hana DNA 40 mini, eGrip Oled and a Reo Grand (I finally gave in!)

Here- istick 20, 30, 50
5 Defenders
Subox
Invader mini
rDNA-40 - now gone

I passed on the IPV and Sigelei. 2 MVP2.0's I've never used - one still in wrap, the other too heavy - put it back in the box lol. I had one innokin V2 .... okay I guess. I also have a reo mini.... and a microstick mech mod, I'd like to sell. Nice size though....

 

[Susaz]

For Kyl here's a picture of both the istick 30 and the Defender side by side: (the one on the left is a heatvape invader mini and the defender and istick are close as far as weight goes).

As I said yesterday, the only thing I like about the Defender is the adjustable ring around the connection (screw the Tugboat and then into the mod), and the fact it can be had on a lanyard (here we go again!). The lanyard possibility is the only thing that has me thinking about the Coolfire IV. I have 3 months to think about it since this months' PV has already been bought.

 

[Susaz]

Here- istick 20, 30, 50
5 Defenders
Subox
Invader mini
rDNA-40 - now gone

I passed on the IPV and Sigelei. 2 MVP2.0's I've never used - one still in wrap, the other too heavy - put it back in the box lol. I had one innokin V2 .... okay I guess. I also have a reo mini.... and a microstick mech mod, I'd like to sell. Nice size though....

I keep the IPV V4 for the double batt. Specially handy when sailing, although not much these days. I was on the brink of buying a Vaporflask but the size and price kept me from it.
There's a code going around for the Hana, 145 bucks plus shipping for mine. A great deal if you want a nice DNA device. And the new model comes with a thumb actuated door to take it out fast.

 

[spaceman84]

147 grams without a 510. Which is the same as an mvp 2 with a built in 510/ego fitting. Adding a small (not the supplied) 510/ego adaptor to make things equal and the CF IV is 153 grams.

I can't believe people are complaining about the weight. The eGrip is 190g. Feels solid.

 

[DavidOck]

As you may know by now 'hand fit' is a priority for me. All else - wattage, style, tank accommodation, spring loaded center pin, placement of fire button, weight, etc. etc., are important but how it feels in the hand - the most common interface - is more important to me. I don't have a scale but weight on specs from vendors sites post 4.3oz for the Defender without a topper and 5.99oz for the Subox with the Subtank combined. With the GS Air M, the Defender feels lighter to me. I understand that not all agree as to what's important and that there are different sizes of hands Just pointing this out for those who like the Defender or the istick 30 and are looking for a replaceable batt mod that is very similar in feel, the the Subox would fit that category.

I think I've 'found' my replaceable batt mod and, barring any severe problems, will likely be getting 2 more in the future. If the "deeming regs" come down hard, maybe more I'll be looking for the 1.5Ω OCC replacement coils - so far haven't seen anyone who sells them, even though they are selling the new Subtank and KBox mini separately now. If someone spots the 1.5Ω coils, give me a heads up :- )

Nice review! Thanks for a clear write-up.

The Subtank Mini comes in at 2.21 oz (62.7gm) with the provided tip. The one that comes with the SBox is ceramic coated, iirc, so might be a tad heavier. Is the Sbox weight with or without battery?

And you can rebuild the OCC heads. I've done that to my 0.5 heads, as I mtl hit and just don't care to sub Ω. And when the provided 1.2s reach end of life, they'll join their brothers at 1.7

 

[Kent C]

Nice review! Thanks for a clear write-up.

The Subtank Mini comes in at 2.21 oz (62.7gm) with the provided tip. The one that comes with the SBox is ceramic coated, iirc, so might be a tad heavier. Is the Sbox weight with or without battery?

And you can rebuild the OCC heads. I've done that to my 0.5 heads, as I mtl hit and just don't care to sub Ω. And when the provided 1.2s reach end of life, they'll join their brothers at 1.7

Thanks for the tank weight. I grabbed the weight (for both combined) off a site - assuming no batt. And yeah that would make a difference but again, it didn't 'impress' me enough to notice a big difference between that and the Defender, except as I said, the Defender with the GS Air M feels lighter. I think my 'concern' about weight is because I passed on the 'tube mod phase' and have been vaping eGos for the last four years. So almost anything felt 'heavier'.

 

[osso1]

This Sale is Live...
Just ordered a DNA30

Thanks KTMRider..

 

[DavidOck]

Thanks for the tank weight. I grabbed the weight (for both combined) off a site - assuming no batt. And yeah that would make a difference but again, it didn't 'impress' me enough to notice a big difference between that and the Defender, except as I said, the Defender with the GS Air M feels lighter. I think my 'concern' about weight is because I passed on the 'tube mod phase' and have been vaping eGos for the last four years. So almost anything felt 'heavier'.

As you say, feel in the hand is big, and can often offset extra weight. (Well, up to a point...)

I have a mess of tube mods, some of which are hefty, but comfortable to my hands. (Although a Tesla VV - aluminum - with an M5 fitted Kayfun is actually pretty light...and its triangular cross section is really comfortable), and still have a lot of Spinner types with T3S for the times I really want to go light and small. Tootle puffer as well

(Although I'm really starting to like my Cloupor Mini... a 1.7 coiled KF at 9 watts and the 18650 seems to go forever! )

 

[Cotay]

This Sale is Live...
Just ordered a DNA30

Thanks KTMRider..

Oh now I'm really going to be in trouble with the wife!

 

[Susaz]

Oh now I'm really going to be in trouble with the wife!

If I didn't have one, I would order. Works great, great batt life plus the ability of temp control. Not the smallest though...

 

[Katdarling]

Capt, Kent, marvelous pics, and even more marvelous write ups. I am enamored by the comparison shots. I do think these are the most helpful of all. Like you, Kent, the handfeel is a top priority to me. Even a very heavy (ymmv) mod can be exquisite if the hand feel is right. Other, light weight devices can be agonizing due to sharp edges or just square peg/round hole syndrome. An example of that for me would be the Vmod. Cute as punch, but not hand comfy to me.

I'm having a real window shopping love affair with 3 that you guys posted. The CF4 will prolly come live with me before very long, but I'm now even more interested in the KBox-Subox. And that little Defender....... can you please tell me WHY I don't have one yet?

(gerrymi, tempt me with your best found deals, kiddo.)

MVP, Cool Five IV, I-stick 50, I-stick 30

I'm with you, Susaz. That's why I haven't purchased anything since the iStick 30. If one already owns 18650 batteries, there are other choices. But if you have to get batts along with the mod, it's hard to beat the iStick 30. I have two DNA30 mods that vape great... at almost twice the size. But I can't get the same battery life as I get with the iStick. Will I pick up something else? Absolutely. But I'm waiting for something to grab me and not let go...

alden, I so get it. And having a miriad of options at our disposal does not for good shoppers make. But I'm with ya. Something has to reach out and grab me...... and not let go. Wait, are we still talking mods?

istick 50/subtank - Kanger Subox/subtank - Heatvape Defender/GS Air M

Subox came in the mail today - just a few hours ago...

As you may know by now 'hand fit' is a priority for me. All else - wattage, style, tank accommodation, spring loaded center pin, placement of fire button, weight, etc. etc., are important but how it feels in the hand - the most common interface - is more important to me. I don't have a scale but weight on specs from vendors sites post 4.3oz for the Defender without a topper and 5.99oz for the Subox with the Subtank combined. With the GS Air M, the Defender feels lighter to me. I understand that not all agree as to what's important and that there are different sizes of hands Just pointing this out for those who like the Defender or the istick 30 and are looking for a replaceable batt mod that is very similar in feel, the the Subox would fit that category.

All these have rounded corners. The 50 is 45mm wide. The Subox is 39mm and the Defender is 35mm. While it wouldn't be a 'deal breaker' the 50's width is not as comfortable for me as the Defender. And the difference in the width of the Subox is hard to detect from the Defender. At one point I had to look at which one I was holding. :- ) That wouldn't be the case with the istick 50W.

I have the same take on the center-pin on the Subox as Suzas "although when I push with the pin it gives in and comes back." but it's not as apparent as the spring loaded thinner pin on the Defender. Both my Lemo and Lemo 2, The GS Airs, Kanger Emow, Aerotank V2, Aerotank Mega, Kayfun 4 clone/Taifun all fit and fire on the Subox.

I put the 1.5Ω OCC in (came with the 0.5Ω coil in place) and it's vaping well. The 'new' smaller air hole setting in the AFC is nice and have been using that. Each selection clicks into place like the former Subtank.

I think I've 'found' my replaceable batt mod and, barring any severe problems, will likely be getting 2 more in the future. If the "deeming regs" come down hard, maybe more I'll be looking for the 1.5Ω OCC replacement coils - so far haven't seen anyone who sells them, even though they are selling the new Subtank and KBox mini separately now. If someone spots the 1.5Ω coils, give me a heads up :- )

Wonderful, Kent. SO helpful. Can I make a wish tho? I wish one really good coil (be it the GS Air or the BVCs) would fit all these tanks.

Le sigh.

 

[Susaz]

I don't like mods without interchangeable batts. I don't mind the extra weight but I do mind portability, the ability of slipping it into a coat pocket or my purse front pocket.

I bought the Defender just for the Tugboat, it's quite larger than the iStick and for tootle puffers we won't use the extra watts.

As for the Subox, it's so cute! I only wish I could change the button's colors, but to me it's the most perfect mod up to date. Works well, everything screws on and it charges fast. Plus it's smaller, more round than the Sigelei Mini, although a little bit bigger, but it doesn't show due to the round edges.

One I regret inmensely is the Smok Mini M65. The software is so screwed up it ruined the perfect mod. Don't even dare buy it. The Smelly has the same internals and works far better!

I'm eagerly waiting for the eGrip Oled! Should be here any minute!

 

[KTMRider]

If I didn't have one, I would order. Works great, great batt life plus the ability of temp control. Not the smallest though...

Are you talking about the rDNA40? It's perfect for my hands but a bit bulky to carry around. That's why I got the DNA40. It's almost the same size as my DNA30 (just a hair bigger) but it has a DNA40 and a soldered 18650 (LG HE2 2500mah). Zip charging is pretty fast (1.8a?) so not being able to replace the battery isn't much of an issue. On sale now for $100!!!

 

[TaketheRedPill]

I'm looking at the Coolfires over at Origin Vapes and I can't tell which one would be considered amethyst and which one is considered the purple. Does anyone know?

Innokin Cool Fire 4 IV Regulated Mod - Origin Vape