On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations

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crxess

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The problem is: you have a way with words that make it seem like your way is the only way. We all have a choice to make as to how we mover forward and our way is what is right for us. Nobody needs to suggest anybody moving along. We all have a right to be here whether we agree with you or not

Frustration,
We all have gone through it.
We are currently going through it.
We will likely go through it in the future.

Often each and every one of needs a little reminding - We are individuals - all tied together by a single concern < The Future of vaping>

I hope when I get to loud, people will recognize it is from Frustration and Concern for ALL of us as well as Millions that likely will never know us.:ohmy:

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ETA: Listen...............please: Keep Vapin', Vicki
 
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I will call Nick tomorrow, and let you know.
That would be great. I've sent him two emails in the last 2 weeks and he hasn't responded to either. I have a cart waiting lol. The only question in my mind is how much Patriot to buy. Nick seems to sell only in 30 ml bottles.
Spoke to Nick from Goodejuice. He apologized for not seeing your emails, he suspects some of his international emails have been going to the spam folder.

Nothing will change on Aug 8, re how they're doing business. They will continue doing business and plan on adhering to the registration and product listing deadlines as well. If and when they chose to discontinue any of their NET products they will let their customers know in plenty of time so they can stock up, but they don't anticipate doing that any time soon. In fact they will be introducing some new product prior to Aug 8.
 
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An e-cig vendor who isn't frantically panicking.

Imagine that.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
I don't think a lot are as much as us. At least if they are, they aren't putting it out there. I have had many exchanges with online shops and they seem to have knowledge or a strong faith that the 8th won't mean much by the time it rolls around.
 

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Neither my Juice supplier nor a vape shop manager I talked to yesterday are very concerned about any immediate changes.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

The real Question is...............How many are looking at this as a 2yr. Guarantee........and then out? o_O

I commend their Efforts to Stay in business while all this is Hammered out in the Courts and/or possibly Congress.:thumb: I can only hope a Life ring fill be tossed in that time, as Deeming is not fashioned in any way, shape or form to allow Vaping <as we know it> to continue.:(

That little Voice is Us!
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It's Not a fact so I'm certainly going to deny it.

A lot is going to depend on the state you live in and how Nanny state it is.

I would bet money that my vape expenses here in Florida do not escalate appreciably in
at least the next 2 years. So far, my state is Completely Unconcerned with vaping At All.

My biggest concern here would be a National Nic tax but Nic is used for other things like farming insecticide that won't work with a tobacco style tax structure.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl

Be vigilant, VERY vigilant. Debbie Wasserman Schultz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

She is so anti vaping it is scary! :ohmy:
 

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The real Question is...............How many are looking at this as a 2yr. Guarantee........and then out? o_O

I commend their Efforts to Stay in business while all this is Hammered out in the Courts and/or possibly Congress.:thumb: I can only hope a Life ring fill be tossed in that time, as Deeming is not fashioned in any way, shape or form to allow Vaping <as we know it> to continue.:(

That little Voice is Us!
lemming.jpg

:mad:
Yup i really hope most vendors don't think, this isn't worth the hassle, we're out. I mean some consolidation was happening anyway and some shops were closing regardless. What the FDA is counting on, is that a lot more will follow suit, to make their job of enforcement a lot easier, when that time comes.
 
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The FDA is only part of the problem. Existing (and future) state tobacco/vaping laws may also effect many of us especially in states that already require face-2-face (no internet) tobacco purchases. U.S. customs and the USPS could become a major PITA, it is they not the FDA who would be responsible for policing shipments. However, I seriously doubt seizing vape gear will be priority anytime soon, likely not even a blip on their radar regardless of what the FDA desires. At least until/unless key members of congress makes it a priority but I really don't see that happening for years. I'll be ordering gear from overseas vendors the same as I do now until customs starts seizing the shipments.

Unlike some posting here, I don't think U.S. customs is a joke, undermanned or underfunded. Post 9/11 they became part of the department of Homeland Security, an agency with 240,000 employees, an undisclosed number of contract employees and a 40+ billion dollar annual operating budget. That's more funding than most of the world's nations spend on military/defense. IF they wanted to make our lives difficult, they certainly have the tech and resources to do so but I'm counting on their indifference, the same as the did with Canadian meds and internet pharmacies for so many years. Don't know if they still do but back in the late 80's if you had an illegal shipment seized by customs your name and address was "flagged" for 100% inspection on all future shipments. If that's still the case it could be a problem. Their tech, authority and budget has increased tenfold since then. Good news is the Chinese -are- masters at evading import restrictions through clever marketing descriptions of their products, they've been doing it for decades. Coupled with the low priority I expect vape gear will be assigned I think we'll be ok for quite some time.

All this speculation of widespread black/grey markets and illegal transactions is also interesting. Absolutely no doubt if the conditions are right many people will seek to profit from peddling overpriced, dubious quality, illegal stuff on the streets but consider this; We live in a country that has 151 million people in its workforce, 1.1 million of them are state/federal law enforcement. Many people don't think U.S. law enforcement is effective at stopping unlawful activities and in truth they really aren't. They are however extremely effective at arresting/charging people with criminal violations of the law and making those charges stick. Fact is the U.S. manages to arrest, convict and imprison 1 out of every 115 adult citizens and has the highest per capita rate of incarceration in the world -by leaps and bounds-. It helps feed the growing for-profit privatized prison system and also keeps the "army" of law enforcement personnel busy while at the same time justifying their existence/expense. The war on drugs didn't stop its availability on the streets but it has left in its wake millions of people who are now and shall forever be convicted felons. 1 out of 115, feeling lucky? Just food for thought.
 

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Frustration,
We all have gone through it.
We are currently going through it.
We will likely go through it in the future.

Often each and every one of needs a little reminding - We are individuals - all tied together by a single concern < The Future of Vaping>

I hope when I get to loud, people will recognize it is from Frustration and Concern for ALL of us as well as Millions that likely will never know us.:ohmy:

I vote
I Vape
:(


ETA: Listen...............please: Keep Vapin', Vicki

Remember the good old days when the only thing we got mad at each other about was Provaris. And cloud chasers, and vaping in Walmart and a few other things I guess. And the politics junkies stayed in the political section where the rest of didn't have to listen to them.

Those were the days my friend. Why do they always have to end?
 

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Remember the good old days when the only thing we got mad at each other about was Provaris. And cloud chasers, and vaping in Walmart and a few other things I guess. And the politics junkies stayed in the political section where the rest of didn't have to listen to them.

Those were the days my friend. Why do they always have to end?
Makes me want to take a ProVari to a Walmart cereal aisle and find a grandma to blow some clouds at, while I still can.:D
 

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The FDA is only part of the problem. Existing (and future) state tobacco/vaping laws may also effect many of us especially in states that already require face-2-face (no internet) tobacco purchases. U.S. customs and the USPS could become a major PITA, it is they not the FDA who would be responsible for policing shipments. However, I seriously doubt seizing vape gear will be priority anytime soon, likely not even a blip on their radar regardless of what the FDA desires. At least until/unless key members of congress makes it a priority but I really don't see that happening for years. I'll be ordering gear from overseas vendors the same as I do now until customs starts seizing the shipments.

Unlike some posting here, I don't think U.S. customs is a joke, undermanned or underfunded. Post 9/11 they became part of the department of Homeland Security, an agency with 240,000 employees, an undisclosed number of contract employees and a 40+ billion dollar annual operating budget. That's more funding than most of the world's nations spend on military/defense. IF they wanted to make our lives difficult, they certainly have the tech and resources to do so but I'm counting on their indifference, the same as the did with Canadian meds and internet pharmacies for so many years. Don't know if they still do but back in the late 80's if you had an illegal shipment seized by customs your name and address was "flagged" for 100% inspection on all future shipments. If that's still the case it could be a problem. Their tech, authority and budget has increased tenfold since then. Good news is the Chinese -are- masters at evading import restrictions through clever marketing descriptions of their products, they've been doing it for decades. Coupled with the low priority I expect vape gear will be assigned I think we'll be ok for quite some time.

All this speculation of widespread black/grey markets and illegal transactions is also interesting. Absolutely no doubt if the conditions are right many people will seek to profit from peddling overpriced, dubious quality, illegal stuff on the streets but consider this; We live in a country that has 151 million people in its workforce, 1.1 million of them are state/federal law enforcement. Many people don't think U.S. law enforcement is effective at stopping unlawful activities and in truth they really aren't. They are however extremely effective at arresting/charging people with criminal violations of the law and making those charges stick. Fact is the U.S. manages to arrest, convict and imprison 1 out of every 115 adult citizens and has the highest per capita rate of incarceration in the world -by leaps and bounds-. It helps feed the growing for-profit privatized prison system and also keeps the "army" of law enforcement personnel busy while at the same time justifying their existence/expense. The war on drugs didn't stop its availability on the streets but it has left in its wake millions of people who are now and shall forever be convicted felons. 1 out of 115, feeling lucky? Just food for thought.

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Decent deal right? 55 gallons is 208 liters. HLV charges, what, about $50 for a liter, and that's one of the cheapest prices I've seen. So $9999/208 is about $48/liter. Want to go halvsies on it? LOL.

Not such a great price really. You can get that price just buying a single liter from many places:

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Makes me want to take a ProVari to a Walmart cereal aisle and find a grandma to blow some clouds at, while I still can.:D

You should get a set of those plastic vampire teeth. Sneak up behind the old woman when she’s not expecting it and blow a huge cloud over her. Then when she turns around, flash the teeth. People love it when you do that.
 

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I normally would be the last person to politicize any topic here but that IS the angle that Does Really Scare me here.

Do it for the Children. We know it's those money hungry Vape dealers who want to get all our chilrens hooked on their evil nic juice with all those candy and dessert names to them.

The One Most scariest situation everyone here should be Really Worried about is if the Dems get the White House. With the HEAD of the Dems being Openly Publicly Hostile against vaping, we may very well be totally screwed then.

There were 19 Nay votes on the Cole-Bishop amendment that would "save" vaping. 18 of those were Dems. EVERY Dem member of the Committee voted NO except for 3.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
 
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