Tobacco Flavorings and Enhancers?
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There are two problems with most of the current recipes I am finding. One is that they assume you are using some percent of ejuice. This is not going to be the case. Instead I am trying to recreate ejuice from raw ingrediants. The other problem is the Lorann flavors do not have anything I have found to allow the creation of either flavors I am aiming at. Since they are both tobacco in nature this leaves me with the dilemma of how do I create a juice from scratch that resembles French pipe or captain black WITHOUT using any Ejuice in the recipe or extracting a base from real tobacco (which would give me the nicotine, and I do not want that).
I don't know if anyone here has used the seedman stuff that way gab. You might just have to try it and see. If you do, see the first page for a coupon code.
Otherwise, you could start with a base of 0 nic tobacco flavor of some sort. That would at least give you the flavoring, but with no nic.
Lu
Otherwise, you could start with a base of 0 nic tobacco flavor of some sort. That would at least give you the flavoring, but with no nic.
Lu
Well I might just have to go into uncharted waters. I was hoping this might have been something someone else had tried and had some input on. I will do a little more checking and then see what I can come up with. Thanks.
Gabriellyon - My guess would be that the Seedman flavoring alone will work. The problem is where to get the nicotine.
I have the PG and VG. I will put in an order to seedman and with what I already have I will see how close I can come to either the french pipe or the captain black. I will probably have to spend a fair amount of time testing small samples but if I hit on anything I will let you know. Thank you for the input.
Yes, let us know. We are newly experimenting with this stuff ourselves. Others input would be good.
Good luck!
Lu
Good luck!
Lu
I was thinking of doing the same thing so I e-mailed Seedman.
He replied that none of his flavorings or enhancers have any tobacco essence or flavor at all. They are used strictly to alter and enhance the flavor of raw tobacco.
He replied that none of his flavorings or enhancers have any tobacco essence or flavor at all. They are used strictly to alter and enhance the flavor of raw tobacco.
I think that's why most here started out with a tobacco flavored juice....to somehow enhance the flavor. But it will be interesting to see if it does anything when used alone. I have some flavorless liquid here that I meant to try with it but just haven't really gotten into it yet.
Lu
Those who tried and liked the Seedman commercial cigarette flavour - was it the 2oz spray bottle of top-note that you bought (TOB 506), the smallest unconcentrated one ?
Sounds like this is much stronger than other flavouring brands and so a good choice. Is that so, stronger ?
Still liking it after a wek or so ?
Thanks!
Sounds like this is much stronger than other flavouring brands and so a good choice. Is that so, stronger ?
Still liking it after a wek or so ?
Thanks!
That email you sent to seedman may have helped me save a lot of time. I am going with tobacco essence as my base flavor (natural extraction) then planning to add seedman flavoring and adjust with Lorann. This should take care of everything and make up for seedman products not having any tobacco base to contribute to the mix. With any luck I will have a strong 0mg juice cheaper and tastier than the commercial variety that I can vape all day long.
Sounds good gab. If you do end up with this, please share. I'm sure others would be interested as well
Lu
No, not yet but hope to this weekend. I have the the commercial and English flavors. I did try a dab on a cart that I was using but really need to mix it up and try on a new cart to get the real flavor. I'll post here after I try it.
BTW...it was the 4 oz liquid I got, not the spray.
Lu
Hey Kin-
I used the 4oz. (TOB506) commercial cig flavor, and I also have the 2oz. spray bottles of Vanilla and Black Licorice. All 3 of the bottles say "pre-mixed and ready to spray onto tobacco".
Yes, the Com cig flavor is pretty strong IMO and I still liked it enough to finish up about 25ml of juice, that I otherwise would have wanted to trash,
because it was so bland to begin with. Start small, until you find what you like...I was mixing only around 4ml at a time, and liked it best adding only 3 drops of the com. flavor. The original juice flavor was coffee.Have fun and let us know how it comes out!
Julie
I think this has been discussed on here somewhere but I can't find it at the moment:
http://www.herbsmoke.com/tasty_puff/
The Top Note flavors look particularly useful, however I would expect that the tobacco enhancers are the products there have been warnings about.
I'm sure this has been discussed elsewhere on here:
Tobacco Smoke Flavoring Contains Hazardous Chemicals
Tobacco Smoke Flavoring Contains Hazardous Chemicals
ScienceDaily (May 9, 2000) — Compounds May Pose Additional Health Risk to Smokers
Scientists have new data that toxic flavoring chemicals found in cigarettes are reaching smokers through cigarette smoke and may pose health hazards of their own. The finding is reported in the April issue of the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry, published by the American Chemical Society, the world’s largest scientific society.
The flavoring chemicals, known as alkenylbenzenes, are found in tobacco additives used to enhance the taste of cigarette smoke. Until now, no one knew how much of the compounds entered cigarette smoke, according to lead author David Ashley, Ph.D., at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta.
The researchers used a new detection method to analyze the cigarette smoke of eight U.S. brands. Previously, no method existed to easily and accurately measure the flavoring compounds in a single cigarette.
Long-term health effects from inhaling alkenylbenzenes directly or by second-hand smoke are unknown in humans, though earlier research associated them with cancer and lung damage in laboratory animals.
The National Academy of Sciences deems flavorings containing alkenylbenzenes safe for human foods. The additives, when eaten by humans, are thought to be safely eliminated by the liver. Cigarette smoke, however, delivers the chemicals to the lungs, where they spread through the body before the liver can screen them.
In the study, smoke from all types of cigarette — filtered, unfiltered and menthol — was tested for flavoring chemicals. Brand names were not released. Varying levels of five alkenylbenzenes were found in each, according to the researchers. In previous CDC research, researchers found one or more flavoring compounds in the tobacco of 42 of the 68 U.S. cigarette brands they examined.
One of the chemicals was found at levels up to four micrograms per gram of tobacco. Higher levels were found in the smoke when ventilation holes in the cigarette’s filter were blocked.
In animals, exposure to the chemicals can cause cancer and lung disease. In rodents, for example, animals inhaling one flavoring compound — eugenol — show far more serious adverse health effects than animals eating it, according to previous research.
http://www.herbsmoke.com/tasty_puff/
The Top Note flavors look particularly useful, however I would expect that the tobacco enhancers are the products there have been warnings about.
I'm sure this has been discussed elsewhere on here:
Tobacco Smoke Flavoring Contains Hazardous Chemicals
Tobacco Smoke Flavoring Contains Hazardous Chemicals
ScienceDaily (May 9, 2000) — Compounds May Pose Additional Health Risk to Smokers
Scientists have new data that toxic flavoring chemicals found in cigarettes are reaching smokers through cigarette smoke and may pose health hazards of their own. The finding is reported in the April issue of the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry, published by the American Chemical Society, the world’s largest scientific society.
The flavoring chemicals, known as alkenylbenzenes, are found in tobacco additives used to enhance the taste of cigarette smoke. Until now, no one knew how much of the compounds entered cigarette smoke, according to lead author David Ashley, Ph.D., at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta.
The researchers used a new detection method to analyze the cigarette smoke of eight U.S. brands. Previously, no method existed to easily and accurately measure the flavoring compounds in a single cigarette.
Long-term health effects from inhaling alkenylbenzenes directly or by second-hand smoke are unknown in humans, though earlier research associated them with cancer and lung damage in laboratory animals.
The National Academy of Sciences deems flavorings containing alkenylbenzenes safe for human foods. The additives, when eaten by humans, are thought to be safely eliminated by the liver. Cigarette smoke, however, delivers the chemicals to the lungs, where they spread through the body before the liver can screen them.
In the study, smoke from all types of cigarette — filtered, unfiltered and menthol — was tested for flavoring chemicals. Brand names were not released. Varying levels of five alkenylbenzenes were found in each, according to the researchers. In previous CDC research, researchers found one or more flavoring compounds in the tobacco of 42 of the 68 U.S. cigarette brands they examined.
One of the chemicals was found at levels up to four micrograms per gram of tobacco. Higher levels were found in the smoke when ventilation holes in the cigarette’s filter were blocked.
In animals, exposure to the chemicals can cause cancer and lung disease. In rodents, for example, animals inhaling one flavoring compound — eugenol — show far more serious adverse health effects than animals eating it, according to previous research.
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This came up again, and it doesn't appear that anyone read my previous post.
Please see here for a discussion of possible safety issues with the use of Seedmans Tobacco Flavor Enhancers:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-tobacco-flavored-flavoring-3.html#post167198
Please see here for a discussion of possible safety issues with the use of Seedmans Tobacco Flavor Enhancers:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-tobacco-flavored-flavoring-3.html#post167198
I honestly don't have time to read all of that....but show me an article dated like 2009 and I'll take a look at it.
Thanks.
Lu
Thanks.
Lu
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