Virginia Attorney General Rules on E cigs

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Storyspinr

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I received a call from Delegate Peace's office today. They had requested an opinion from Attorney General Cuccinelli regarding the e cig, after the Virginia Department of Health had declared them to fall under the smoking ban.

I will quote from parts of the letter they received from the Attorney General's office:

Issue Presented

You ask whether an e-cigarette falls within the definition of smoke or smoking for the purposes of 15.2-2820.

Response

It is my opinion that using an e-cigarette does not fall within the definition of "smoke" or "smoking" for the purposes of 15.2-2820.

Applicable Law and Discussion

Section 15.2-2824 (A) prohibits smoking in a variety of locations, including elevators, public school buses, and the interior of public elementary, intermediate and secondary schools. Section 15.2-2825(A) forbids smoking in restaurants. Finally, 15.2-2820 defines "smoke" or "smoking" as "the carrying or holding of any lighted pipe, cigar or cigarette of any kind, or any other lighted smoking equipment, or the lighting, inhaling, or exhaling of smoke from a pipe, cigar or cigarette of any kind."

First, an e-cigarette does not involve the "inhaling, or exhaling of smoke". Smoke is defined as "the gaseous products of burning carbonaceous materials made visible by the presence of small particles of carbon." To be sure, one definition of smoke is "fume or vapor often resulting from the action of heat on moisture." That, however, is not the way the term smoke is commonly understood. Statutes should be construed under their "ordinary and plain meaning." Water vapor containing traces of particulate matter, such as water evaporating from a tea kettle, is not ordinarily understood to be "smoke". An e-cigarette does not function in [the] manner of a traditional cigarette because it functions electrically rather than via combustion of a material such as tobacco. Therefore, the vapor emitted by an e-cigarette would not fall within the definition of "smoke" or "smoking" in 15.2-2820. Second, an e-cigarette is battery powered and is not "lighted" as that term is commonly understood. No flame is involved in its operation.

Conclusion

Accordingly, it is my opinion that using an e-cigarette does not fall under the definition of "smoke" or "smoking" for purposes of 15.2-2820.

/s/ Kenneth T. Cuccinelli, II
Attorney General

The woman in Peace's office told me she has already received a call from the Washington Post, so I think we can expect the media to pick up on this ruling.

My one warning would be that vapers should not rush into every restaurant in the state and pull out their e-cig. We need to approach this carefully, with as much public education as possible, so nonsmokers realize what the e cig is and that it is not producing secondhand smoke.
 

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I just checked the Virginia Department of Health's restaurant and smoking FAQs page. It was updated today, and any reference to electronic cigarettes is no longer there - I could find absolutely no mention of e cigs. Previously, the FAQ contained a question about e cigs and it was stated they fell under the ban. I have no idea if they have removed the reference due to the AG's ruling, but since it was updated today, I have my suspicions......
 

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I just checked the Virginia Department of Health's restaurant and smoking FAQs page. It was updated today, and any reference to electronic cigarettes is no longer there - I could find absolutely no mention of e cigs. Previously, the FAQ contained a question about e cigs and it was stated they fell under the ban. I have no idea if they have removed the reference due to the AG's ruling, but since it was updated today, I have my suspicions......

That is great news and I truly hope that it gets serious attention in the Washington Post. We need to get someone's attention in the Capital to realize that these things work, are truly safer than cigarettes and that it would be a travesty to have them pulled from the market.
 

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This is great news, as I live in Virginia. I also wrote the attorney general about 2 weeks ago and received a reply that their office was currently looking into the matter.

I already have the relevant portions of the Va state code bookmarked on my phone, but this will provide an even more concise summary if needed.

It is refreshing to see a public official that not only comprehends the issue, but has a good technical understanding of the product - it tells me that our movement is gaining traction at the right levels.

You know, I am quite liberal - and frequently rail against Virginia politicians (refusing to close the gun show loophole, the gay marriage amendment to the state constitution, constantly cutting higher education funding...etc) but this is a breath of fresh air, and gives me a bit of faith in the system.

When I cast a vote for Cuccinelli this November it will be the first Republican I will have ever voted for :p
 

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Yes, an AG's Opinion is generally sway proof. Unless there are ammendments to include "vapor" to "smoke" definitions. Hate to say it, but that's all it would take, along with
any kind of equipment
pretty much leaves a door open to include e-cigs.
I think this whole world has gone bonkers. This was one nice bit of news, Thanks Storyspinr!
 

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I just checked the Virginia Department of Health's restaurant and smoking FAQs page. It was updated today, and any reference to electronic cigarettes is no longer there - I could find absolutely no mention of e cigs. Previously, the FAQ contained a question about e cigs and it was stated they fell under the ban. I have no idea if they have removed the reference due to the AG's ruling, but since it was updated today, I have my suspicions......

Absolutely! It probably was removed due to your efforts in getting the AG's opinion. Outstanding! :thumbs:

I only wish I could have seen the look on that idiot's face (Gary Hagy, I beleive) when he received the word that we were right all along in telling him that ecigs were not covered by the smoking ban!
 

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So what exactly does this mean for VA residents? Even if his interpretation is that it is not considered smoking - what will the VDH do? will they cease considering it a violation? would they have to amend their policies? if they do amend the policies - would they be required to send notice to affected businesses? sorry, if any of these questions are premature or have an obvious answer...
 

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So what exactly does this mean for VA residents? Even if his interpretation is that it is not considered smoking - what will the VDH do? will they cease considering it a violation? would they have to amend their policies? if they do amend the policies - would they be required to send notice to affected businesses? sorry, if any of these questions are premature or have an obvious answer...

Zenfrog, the VDH was always in the wrong on this issue! They cannot do anything but follow the law, and the smoking ban law simply does not, and never did, apply to ecigs. They were MISinterpreting the law when they said on their site that ecigs were covered by the ban.
 

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Virginia Politics Blog - Battery-operated cigarettes don't violate smoking ban, Cuccinelli says

Battery-operated cigarettes don't violate smoking ban, Cuccinelli says

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The opinion was requested by Del. Chris Peace (R-Hanover), who said a constituent called him after she was told by the Virginia Department of Health that the devices do violate the state's smoking ban.

"Common sense tells you that if the purpose of the smoking ban was to create a healthier atmosphere and reduce the individual emissions in a defined space, if you will, with second hand smoke, the e-cigarettes doesn't seem to fit any of those parameters," Peace said.

But the American Cancer Society does not agree. The group has been pushing the Federal Drug Administration to regulate e-cigarettes. A spokesman said it believes the devices were created to get around smoking bans and violate the spirit of smoking bans.

"Allowing them would really be turning back the clock on what we're trying to do in Virginia to create smoke-free workplaces and environments that promote health," said American Cancer Society spokesman Keenan Caldwell.


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noo

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So what exactly does this mean for VA residents? Even if his interpretation is that it is not considered smoking - what will the VDH do? will they cease considering it a violation? would they have to amend their policies? if they do amend the policies - would they be required to send notice to affected businesses? sorry, if any of these questions are premature or have an obvious answer...

I am not a lolyer but...

Since the office of the AG acts as the official legal advisor to the state executive office, I would think that all executive entities would be more or less bound to adopt policy consistent with the legal opinion of the AG.

I suppose that the VDH could issue its own opinion on the matter, but the AG's opinion holds de-facto rule of law - in that the AG could simply instruct various DA offices to not pursue fines for citations related to vaping. An official legal ruling by a state court, or clarification by the legislature would be needed to establish new precedent.
 
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