Doctor has me as a non smoker!

[Deeo]

I just got back from the doctors and he has marked me down as a non smoker and recorded the last day i had an analog. I mention to him that i am using the ecig and he didn't have anything to say good or bad about it. He was just really happy that i quit and was fast to record it.

I am assuming that he has nothing bad to say about the ecig but is unable to say anything good because of the FDA making a fuss out of "It is not safe" crap.

My arteries in my neck text came back clear and my blood work is normal along with my blood pressure.

All in all the doctor was very happy and so am I!

 

[Buggainok]

That is wonderful news! I've seen posts here and there about folks' doctors actually recommending e cigs, but most of them seem to be taking a "wait and see" attitude. Glad yours put you down as "non-smoker." That's a plus!

 

[DetraMental]

It sounds like good news! Congrats on the clear lab reports

 

[ScottP]

The FDA can claim unsafe all they want. Too many Dr's seeing real world patients are SEEING first hand the results of making the switch. Just wait until these "findings" make their way into medical journals and publications.

 

[CaptainSpaulding]

I just got back from the doctors and he has marked me down as a non smoker and recorded the last day i had an analog. I mention to him that i am using the ecig and he didn't have anything to say good or bad about it. He was just really happy that i quit and was fast to record it.

I am assuming that he has nothing bad to say about the ecig but is unable to say anything good because of the FDA making a fuss out of "It is not safe" crap.

My arteries in my neck text came back clear and my blood work is normal along with my blood pressure.

All in all the doctor was very happy and so am I!

Congrats! Just out of curiosity, how long has it been since you had an analog? Im wondering how much time must pass before a doc marks one down as a non-smoker.

 

[leishan]

That's great news!! Congrats!!

 

[cbrite]

That is wonderful news! Good for you!!!

 

[skoony]

The FDA can claim unsafe all they want. Too many Dr's seeing real world patients are SEEING first hand the results of making the switch. Just wait until these "findings" make their way into medical journals and publications.

that is were the problem lies.
there is a knock down drag out winner takes all fight going on in the
medical community.
on the one side you have the doctors and nurses who are seeing first hand
the results of switching to vaping has improved the health of there patients
i will bet you there is not one doctor treating copd patients that is not acutely
aware of whats going on.
on the other hand you have the doctors and hospitals that are fighting
tooth and nail against ecigs.mostly because of contractual obligations
with big pharma and the profit they get from smoking cessation products.
mayo clinics smoking cessation department gets $18000 a pop for some
of there programs.
chantax is back on the market with new restrictions including you must have counseling.
read: under the care of a psychiatrist .
the real dilema is the doctors who approve of ecig use have there hands tied.
if they write prescriptions they are contractually obligated on what they can and can not
recommend either by big pharma or the hospital or clinic they work at.
even in private practice they still have to have an affiliation one way or
another with big pharma and a hospital to have a place to send there patients and
write prescriptions.
and not one peep do you hear in the news media.

don't hold your breath waiting regards
mike

 

[SonHouse]

I would assume most Doctors would be noncommittal with a patient. At this point they can't point to a single study which clearly shows the effects of long term use. Intuitively it SHOULD be safer than smoking because so many clearly hazardous chemicals have been removed but how safe in the long term, especially compared with abstinence? The reality is there's no proof either way.

 

[keonee]

Congrats Deeo. I too had the same experience 2 weeks ago with my cardiologist. She was so happy that I quit analogs. She put the date I quit in my health chart marking it ex-smoker

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

I just got back from the doctors and he has marked me down as a non smoker and recorded the last day i had an analog. I mention to him that i am using the ecig and he didn't have anything to say good or bad about it. He was just really happy that i quit and was fast to record it.

I am assuming that he has nothing bad to say about the ecig but is unable to say anything good because of the FDA making a fuss out of "It is not safe" crap.

My arteries in my neck text came back clear and my blood work is normal along with my blood pressure.

All in all the doctor was very happy and so am I!

That's great! Mine was happy to hear I quit too. He even took a pic of my set up to show other patients an example of what to get. He's had some issues with patients who tried and failed with cigalikes like Blu, which are everywhere now. He's been recommending ecigs for quite some time already, so now he knows where to point those who failed with cigalikes to.

 

[goodoleboy45]

Great News my Doc was totally on board with my choice also

 

[ScottP]

that is were the problem lies.
there is a knock down drag out winner takes all fight going on in the
medical community.
on the one side you have the doctors and nurses who are seeing first hand
the results of switching to vaping has improved the health of there patients
i will bet you there is not one doctor treating copd patients that is not acutely
aware of whats going on.
on the other hand you have the doctors and hospitals that are fighting
tooth and nail against ecigs.mostly because of contractual obligations
with big pharma and the profit they get from smoking cessation products.
mayo clinics smoking cessation department gets $18000 a pop for some
of there programs.
chantax is back on the market with new restrictions including you must have counseling.
read: under the care of a psychiatrist .
the real dilema is the doctors who approve of ecig use have there hands tied.
if they write prescriptions they are contractually obligated on what they can and can not
recommend either by big pharma or the hospital or clinic they work at.
even in private practice they still have to have an affiliation one way or
another with big pharma and a hospital to have a place to send there patients and
write prescriptions.
and not one peep do you hear in the news media.

don't hold your breath waiting regards
mike

You could be right as far as publications and public statements go. However behind closed doors with the patients, we are already hearing personal stories of people whose Dr's encouraged vaping over smoking. I would guess that in the short term very few if any actually suggest vaping to a currently smoking patient, even if for no other reason than they have no knowledge of what product(s) specifically to suggest. I mean, should the Doctor recommended a Provari and a RBA for the best experience or should they recommend starting with a cig-a-like?

That got me to thinking, what would happen if someone like say Blu managed to get Dr's to give out starter kits and disposables as free samples to smoking patients looking to quit? Like you say it would probably be pretty difficult for even Big-T to go up against Big Pharma in that arena.

 

[bencooper74]

I'm in need of a heart transplant but they wont put me on the list unless I'm off cigarettes for at least 6 months. I've been vaping for 6 months but my doctor says If I test positive for nicotine its still no good. She did say though that she might be able to argue to the board to make an exception. I would be the first patient to get on the transplant list while still using a 'nicotine replacement' if she is successful.

 

[ScottP]

I would assume most Doctors would be noncommittal with a patient. At this point they can't point to a single study which clearly shows the effects of long term use. Intuitively it SHOULD be safer than smoking because so many clearly hazardous chemicals have been removed but how safe in the long term, especially compared with abstinence? The reality is there's no proof either way.

I am not suggesting that Dr's are going to suddenly start recommending ecigs to people. What i am suggesting is that Dr's make observations based on treatment of real life patients with real life smoking related problems and what happens to those problems once MANY patients switch to vaping.

For instance lets say a Dr that specializes in COPD treats the same 1000 smoking patients for many years. All of them are following a similar path of of progression of the disease. Over time 25% of them switch to vaping and he notices that the progression of the disease has slowed or even reversed in ALL of the people that switched to vaping. So he talks to other colleagues in the same field to see if they have noticed anything similar. When he gets more confirmation, he writes an article that gets published and calls attention to this possible correlation. Other Dr's read the article and start paying more attention and corroborate the findings. Eventually these Dr's do start suggesting that patients should switch.

The same can happen in the cardiovascular field, or any other medical field impacted by smoking. It will not be a fast process, but Dr's tend to have some elevated image of themselves and nothing strokes an ego like being published and to have their findings corroborated. They will not ignore what they see.

 

[Clownshoe]

Good news! Congrats!

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[ScottP]

I'm in need of a heart transplant but they wont put me on the list unless I'm off cigarettes for at least 6 months. I've been vaping for 6 months but my doctor says If I test positive for nicotine its still no good. She did say though that she might be able to argue to the board to make an exception. I would be the first patient to get on the transplant list while still using a 'nicotine replacement' if she is successful.

No idea what nic level you are at, but so far I have been able to ween down from 24mg to 12 in 1 year and I feel I could do 6mg easy...the wife isn't ready for the next drop. I am sure you need faster results, so maybe you can try dropping your nic every juice order or two until you are at 0 nic. Keep vaping 0 nic to fill the other parts of the addiction.

Good luck man, I hope you get on the list.

 

[skoony]

I would assume most Doctors would be noncommittal with a patient. At this point they can't point to a single study which clearly shows the effects of long term use. Intuitively it SHOULD be safer than smoking because so many clearly hazardous chemicals have been removed but how safe in the long term, especially compared with abstinence? The reality is there's no proof either way.

that's not the problem.
they are saying nothing because they are contractually obligated to.
peer revue has a lot to do with this too,and the majority of there peers knows which
side its bread is buttered on.
there are doctors seeing first hand the improvements in there patients.
to h e double tooth picks with long term studies.
there saying nothing because they cant.
they have too much tied up into there licenses to rock the boat.
at some point though i can see some dissent especially if the fda royally screws thing up.
lastly there are long term studies.ever hear of a nicotine inhaler.
basically the same ingredients as ecigs.the fda required the makers of these
to do long term studies on these to prove they were safe.
studies on pg have been going on since the late 40's.
even the antsz will tell you its 98% safer than smoking.
if you know any thing about statistics that basically means any harm is virtually
indistinguishable from the back round noise.(non-smoking population.)

regards
mike

 

[bencooper74]

No idea what nic level you are at, but so far I have been able to ween down from 24mg to 12 in 1 year and I feel I could do 6mg easy...the wife isn't ready for the next drop. I am sure you need faster results, so maybe you can try dropping your nic every juice order or two until you are at 0 nic. Keep vaping 0 nic to fill the other parts of the addiction.

Good luck man, I hope you get on the list.

I'm at 24mg i sometimes use 18 but if I go any less I start smoking stinkies again. I dont think I'll ever be able to go nic free.

 

[skoony]

just caught up on the additional posts.
i'm not saying the doctors are not talking amoungst themselves and there patients.
its the total lack of anything in the media regarding this.
i know the media isn't hounding them for these good stories.
then again i don't see many practicing doctors knocking down the doors
of there local media establishments harking the good news.
further i'm not faulting the doctors pro or con its the media
that should be digging in on this..

regards
mike