2nd hand vapor

[Robert Cromwell]

http://vapeaboutit.com/study-finds-conclusive-evidence-vapor-is-safe/

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0273230014002505

Not saying it is inaccurate or bogus but this is in the second link.

"Conflicts of interest

The company for which the study authors work and the companies that manufacture the e-cigarettes tested for this study are owned by the same parent company."

Kinda like big tobacco doing it's own testing. with that said however I do believe ecig use is FAR safer than cig smoking. But we do need more independent testing to determine the safety of High wattage vaping and vaping flavorants, etc at all temperatures, etc.

And back to the original topic... I would not smoke right in a childs face so to speak and would ventilate in a car with children present while vaping. Just common courtesy if nothing else.

 

[gpjoe]

I think the general consensus is dont do it if you wouldnt smoke a cigarette in the same situation

I am not part of this general consensus, and refuse to be lumped in with cigarette smoking in any context.

 

[ScubaBebe]

Wow. The ANTZ have done their job. Now we have vapers saying don't let your kids see you exhale water vapor because it looks like smoke. Do they ever see you take a drink or go over the speed limit? I really don't mean to come across as rude but this is the reasoning they use to ban smoking and vaping in the great outdoors.

 

[KattMamma]

There are numerous studies showing that exhaled vapor is virtually indistinguishable from the air around you. How about this story, which mentions several studies : Study Confirms That E-Cigarettes Generate Virtually No Toxins - Hit & Run : Reason.com

If you google it, you'll see lots of scare-mongering stories claiming vapor has this or that toxin. These stories have been whipped up by Big Tobacco and are supported by states who have a lot to lose in cig taxes as people quit smoking and start vaping. They're based on faulty studies which literally burned up the e-cig in a way that no vapor would do because it would taste absolutely awful. I'm sure they did this on purpose to support their claims that it's bad for you. Don't listen to the hype.

My only concern would be if you're using a cigalike that's made by one of the cig companies -- these closed systems are a bit of a mystery, I'm not sure what's in them.

Otherwise, crack a window so the car doesn't fill up with vapor, and vape away!!

 

[nyiddle]

I'd say don't do it around your kid, but then again, I'd be the type that wouldn't let a kid see me smoking a cigarette.

Everyone's jumping on the, "It's definitely safe," bandwagon. There isn't enough evidence. To say otherwise is certainly hopeful, but not accurate.

 

[wv2win]

Why do some people who vape think it is ok to comment on something they have not taken the time to even research. There have been several studies conducted that shows that there is no health risk from second hand vapor. Thankfully some other posters have provided some of those studies. Here is another one:

New E-cigarette Study Shows No Risk from Environmental Vapor Exposure

 

[BigDvon91]

home.... yes i suppose its fine. car... no i wouldnt!

 

[wv2win]

I'd say don't do it around your kid, but then again, I'd be the type that wouldn't let a kid see me smoking a cigarette.

Everyone's jumping on the, "It's definitely safe," bandwagon. There isn't enough evidence. To say otherwise is certainly hopeful, but not accurate.

It would be helpful if you would "prove" that it is not accurate with "evidence" and "facts" and not unsubstantiated opinion with NO supporting evidence.

 

[nyiddle]

It would be helpful if you would "prove" that it is not accurate with "evidence" and "facts" and not unsubstantiated opinion with NO supporting evidence.

The burden of proof isn't on me. I'm saying be cautious and don't vape around your kids because it MAY be harmful (even though most common sense seems to say it isn't harmful).

You're saying "Vape around your kids all you want because it's DEFINITELY NOT harmful."

And no links to these garbage websites, it makes us look bad. It's not a peer-reviewed scholarly journal, it's as accurate as me putting up a web page that says whatever the hell I want and calling it scientific because it's on the Internet. It's like what the ANTZ are doing.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I'd say don't do it around your kid, but then again, I'd be the type that wouldn't let a kid see me smoking a cigarette.

Everyone's jumping on the, "It's definitely safe," bandwagon. There isn't enough evidence. To say otherwise is certainly hopeful, but not accurate.

Why do some people who vape think it is ok to comment on something they have not taken the time to even research. There have been several studies conducted that shows that there is no health risk from second hand vapor. Thankfully some other posters have provided some of those studies. Here is another one:

New E-cigarette Study Shows No Risk from Environmental Vapor Exposure

By the national vapers club....

 

[ScubaBebe]

While we don't know the long term effects of vaping, we can reasonably assume it is much safer than cigs. We CAN measure and test the exhaled vapor. As Kattmamma posted almost all studies have confirmed that the exhaled vapor is not toxic and comparable with room air. I have seen a few studies that measured questionable juice (juice that I wouldn't use and hope you wouldn't either. Make sure you buy from reputable companies!) or abused the equipment and had some measurable toxins.

If you don't want your kids to see you exhale vapor, no problem. If you're asking if it's safe to vape around kids then I IMHO yes but use common sense. If your child has an allergy to something in the juice.....then keep it away. I also make sure the area is ventilated so they aren't enveloped in a cloud or a foggy room. I vape with my grand kids in the car but the window is always cracked and almost all the vapor goes out the window. I also explain to my grand kids that smoking or vaping for that matter is not something fun or cool.

 

[wv2win]

The burden of proof isn't on me. I'm saying be cautious and don't vape around your kids because it MAY be harmful (even though most common sense seems to say it isn't harmful).

You're saying "Vape around your kids all you want because it's DEFINITELY NOT harmful."

And no links to these garbage websites, it makes us look bad. It's not a peer-reviewed scholarly journal, it's as accurate as me putting up a web page that says whatever the hell I want and calling it scientific because it's on the Internet. It's like what the ANTZ are doing.

1. I'm not telling the OP what they should or shouldn't do, as you are. I'm only presenting facts to help them reach their own conclusion.

2. You state that the information I provided was "garbage" and not peer reviewed. If you would actually do some research into the journal that provided the study and it's "bonafides", as well as read the first line of the article, as well as understand that the university laboratory that conducted the testing is not affiliated with any electronic cigarette company, instead of just "spouting off" with no facts, again, maybe the OP can be better informed instead of just more confused by posts like yours:

" An indoor air quality study conducted by CHANGE, LLC at the Center for Air Resources Engineering and Science at Clarkson University in Potsdam, NY was published this month in the peer reviewed journal Inhalation Toxicology. "

 

[nyiddle]

1. I'm not telling the OP what they should or shouldn't do, as you are. I'm only presenting facts to help them reach their own conclusion.

2. You state that the information I provided was "garbage" and not peer reviewed. If you would actually do some research into the journal that provided the study and it's "bonafides", as well as read the first line of the article, as well as understand that the university laboratory that conducted the testing is not affiliated with any electronic cigarette company, instead of just "spouting off" with no facts, again, maybe the OP can be better informed instead of just more confused by posts like yours:

" An indoor air quality study conducted by CHANGE, LLC at the Center for Air Resources Engineering and Science at Clarkson University in Potsdam, NY was published this month in the peer reviewed journal Inhalation Toxicology. "

Lol if you think this is an accurate, unbiased article, then there's no point arguing here. This is not peer-reviewed or scholarly in the least. It's "garbage" as I said.

Call me an "ANTZ" or whatever you want, but you're speaking based on what you hope to be true. I'm speaking based on cautious logic which dictates, "It'd be safer if you didn' t vape around your kids." I'm not saying "Don't vape around your kids or they'll die!" I'm saying, "How about we assume it's bad until we know it's safe?" Which I don't think is a ridiculous thing to ask.

If someone has some scholarly articles which prove me wrong, I'd be HAPPY to read them. I have yet to see anything like that, though.

 

[wv2win]

By the national vapers club....

And the leadership of the national vapers club, which is a consumer vaping organization, insured that the study was completely independent. They are in the same vein as CASAA, funded by vapers like us and not businesses.

 

[wv2win]

Lol if you think this is an accurate, unbiased article, then there's no point arguing here. This is not peer-reviewed or scholarly in the least. It's "garbage" as I said.

Call me an "ANTZ" or whatever you want, but you're speaking based on what you hope to be true. I'm speaking based on cautious logic which dictates, "It'd be safer if you didn' t vape around your kids." I'm not saying "Don't vape around your kids or they'll die!" I'm saying, "How about we assume it's bad until we know it's safe?" Which I don't think is a ridiculous thing to ask.

If someone has some scholarly articles which prove me wrong, I'd be HAPPY to read them. I have yet to see anything like that, though.

There you go again, spouting off, with NO facts to support your comments. If you are going to attack an organization that conducted a study as being inaccurate, biased and garbage, then the burden is on you to support those comments. But you won't do that, haven't done that and obviously can't do that.

And your so-called "logic" is the same argument put forth by the FDA, California Public Health Department and Stan Glantz that vaping should be banned because we supposedly "don't know" if it is safe. At least we know who you are aligned with, based on your comments.

 

[nyiddle]

There you go again, spouting off, with NO facts to support your comments. If you are going to attack an organization that conducted a study as being inaccurate, biased and garbage, then the burden is on you to support those comments. But you won't do that, haven't done that and obviously can't do that.

And your so-called "logic" is the same argument put forth by the FDA, California Public Health Department and Stan Glantz that vaping should be banned because we supposedly "don't know" if it is safe. At least we know who you are aligned with, based on your comments.

Call me an "ANTZ" or whatever you want,

And you didn't even hesitate.

You're no better than the biased FOX news reports, you're just doing it for the opposite team.

This might be helpful.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

So no vaping businesses support CASAA? Vaping IS big business.

 

[KattMamma]

I'm saying, "How about we assume it's bad until we know it's safe?" Which I don't think is a ridiculous thing to ask.

If this is how you truly feel, then I have a few questions :

Do you let your children play outside? MANY areas in the US have air quality problems - have you tested your air to confirm it's safe?

Do you feed your children store-bought food? TONS of additives, food colorings, preservatives, etc. that are known to be bad for you.

Do you use cleaners and detergents in your home? These contain chemicals that are known to be bad for you. You should read the labels then check the MSDS on the ingredients, you might be surprised.

Do you use perfumes, colognes, or air fresheners? The last one is a doozy - "air fresheners", which are used everywhere, contain benzene (to numb your nasal passages!!), formaldehyde, and pthalates to name a few offenders.

 

[nyiddle]

If this is how you truly feel, then I have a few questions :

Do you let your children play outside? MANY areas in the US have air quality problems - have you tested your air to confirm it's safe?

Do you feed your children store-bought food? TONS of additives, food colorings, preservatives, etc. that are known to be bad for you.

Do you use cleaners and detergents in your home? These contain chemicals that are known to be bad for you. You should read the labels then check the MSDS on the ingredients, you might be surprised.

Do you use perfumes, colognes, or air fresheners? The last one is a doozy - "air fresheners", which are used everywhere, contain benzene (to numb your nasal passages!!), formaldehyde, and pthalates to name a few offenders.

You're comparing an avoidable risk (exposing your kids to vaping) to an unavoidable risk (going outside).

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I'd say don't do it around your kid, but then again, I'd be the type that wouldn't let a kid see me smoking a cigarette.

Everyone's jumping on the, "It's definitely safe," bandwagon. There isn't enough evidence. To say otherwise is certainly hopeful, but not accurate.

Why do some people who vape think it is ok to comment on something they have not taken the time to even research. There have been several studies conducted that shows that there is no health risk from second hand vapor. Thankfully some other posters have provided some of those studies. Here is another one:

New E-cigarette Study Shows No Risk from Environmental Vapor Exposure

Lol if you think this is an accurate, unbiased article, then there's no point arguing here. This is not peer-reviewed or scholarly in the least. It's "garbage" as I said.

Call me an "ANTZ" or whatever you want, but you're speaking based on what you hope to be true. I'm speaking based on cautious logic which dictates, "It'd be safer if you didn' t vape around your kids." I'm not saying "Don't vape around your kids or they'll die!" I'm saying, "How about we assume it's bad until we know it's safe?" Which I don't think is a ridiculous thing to ask.

If someone has some scholarly articles which prove me wrong, I'd be HAPPY to read them. I have yet to see anything like that, though.

I prefer studies from those with no dog in the fight.