Good for you but I think you will only find 97 to 95.5% And I suggest buy from a good USA company not china. Also it will be cut with some flavor and i suppose nicotine which has some water in it. I don't use nicotine I like berry flavors.
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it's 7.5 mg PER KG. That is, if you weigh 200 lbs (~91kg) like the average 6' male you could STILL ingest orally 682.5mg of acrolein that is produced by PG and be safe. The answer is, even IF you could vape 682.5mg of juice a day you STILL wouldn't produce 682.5mg of acrolein even if it were 100% PG. Let's say it's a 50% ratio in 100% PG, that's you vaping literally almost half a gallon of ejuice. And that's aspirated not taken orally. The effects are totally different. If you swallow your own vomit it's gross, but if you aspirate it you can get permanent asthma. Stop trying to scare people with fallacies and hijacking the thread. Like the other person said, PG has been used in fog machines in the movie and theater industry for almost a century and no one ever died from the stuff and believe that they inhaled it in much greater quantities and were vaporizing it at much higher voltages than we are with this low voltage PVs. It's an organic compound, not a chemical weapon. Full members are not allowed to scare people. You are not a member of the World Health Organization, nor are you qualified to make any assessments in this pioneering field. As I said before the only thing vapers are sure of in this activity is that it is better than smoking; nothing else. I myself have been outspoken on people endeavoring to quit vaping over time instead of adopting this idea that they can vape for life. Instead of fearmongering please speak in the hypothetical unless you have published a paper on this in a medical journal that has empirical proof that acrolein is killing us all.
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I'm vaping Boba's Bounty which is 100% VG, I think they must thin it out with distilled water because it is much more "runny" than the pure VG that I have for DIY juices. I usually mix 40% PG to 60% VG and find that I get more "irritation" in my throat than when I'm vaping Boba, so I'm interested in trying 90% VG next to see if it helps.
Sorry but you are wrong. In all those applications you are talking about there is no risk of reaching the flash point. When flash point is reach if you vape incorrectly you will produce acrolein, and that is not good. As long as you do it correctly it can be safe. Look at water. It is safe right? Just plain old clean water, but if you drink too much your body will dilute. Blood cells will fill up with water and become turgid. Because they do not have cellulose walls like plants they would pop like balloons and you would die. (we are talking a lot of water here) My information is correct you do the research I have done mine. with .org and .edu sights that have facts that are backed up. As far as your comment on the Vegetable Glycerin you have talked about ingesting it, and that is not the same as applying heat. When the flash point is reach for most any substance the heat alters it molecular structure. Basic chemistry. So there is reason to "believe" as you put it. It is up to you what you put in your body, but the facts are the facts I did my homework. It is best not to mislead people.
I think your getting way out of from the Idea. PC is safe if use correctly I never said it was not. VG is just safer due to reasons stated. If I spit in your soup it would still be safe to eat, but of course you would not. There is no reason for us not to inform noobs how to vape with zero toxins. Your ideas are not in the best interest of this chat. As for my level of expertise I am a college grad, masters degree, strait "A"s and I have an IQ of 142. I have suggested nothing with fear only proper and safe methods based on facts that I gave. FACTS. Even you have agreed there is acrolein IF the juice is burned. If you want to inhale that be my guest. I would rather have more VG, better vapor, better taste, and vape with zero toxins. If you are not happy with my point of view then Keep it to yourself unless you have better facts other than how much poison the average person can swallow and live to tell the tail. Yes I will agree that inhaling acrolein is better than smoking analogs, but vaping with no toxins is better. Who are you to decide for others if they wish vape with zero toxins or not?. Please don't waste our time.
I can deduce two things.
1. You did not get your masters in English.
2. You put too much faith in "IQ" tests. To give an exact number tells me you are lying or are bright and took a test one time.
It's a chat not an English exam. Try to sick to the topic or is that too hard for you? This is called "100% VG -- how to" That is the topic. If you are into 100% PC go make that forum, and I'll stay out of there. Every fact I gave can be found on the internet. To vape is safe if you do it safe. A pool is safe as long as you don't drown in it. As for your power of deduction and it's limitations It is clear you didn't do well in reading comprehension. Now if your done with your pissing contest we can all do without your insults. Thx
You are too condescending to anyone who challenges you and I have seen nothing to warrant it. Just thought you might be deluded into thinking 142 makes you top dog.
Dear Sir, Only one person has challenged my facts, and you have only flat out insulted me. 142 does not make me top dog but it is way above average. Most responses were of interest and understanding. I tell you again I have given facts that can be found by anyone on the internet. If you like you can request links, and I will provide them such as the one below: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_machine> If you look about half way down you will see that fog machines do in fact have reports of health hazards. (for example of one of the off topic remarks that were tossed my way). This I think clearly shows I am not the aggressor here But being attacked by one blogger in particular, and now you. My facts are based on good sources. Such as: National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, Mount Sinai School of Medicine, Entertainment Services and Technology Association, and others. These cover the fog machine comparison being made by the other guy. Simply put we are not smoking fog machines, but to make you all happy I looked them up. I found they may be bigger but they still operate at temperatures from 200 degrees to 300 degrees which is in line with the temperature being produced in mods. How do we know this? Because this is the temperature range needed to vaporize PC/VG solutions. I will also point out that the fog machines have thermal cut-off switches to prevent or at least minimize burning. I own one and it says so right in the instruction book. They produce more vape simply because they pump more juice through a bigger coil. Now can we get back to the topic of "100% VG -- how to"? After all that is why we are here. Go make a fog machine forum if you like.
As for the the World Health Organization, yes I agree with the fact that a human can tolerate certain levels of acrolein that is a fact and I agree it is correct. We are here to talk about using all or mostly Vegetable Glycerin. If you have another point of view you are in the wrong chat.
If any of you wish a link to any facts I have given I will be happy to post them, or you can just google.
As for the real topic I would like to say I am enjoying my blueberry in 95% VG I am using 2 holes that I made bigger, and i am running at 3.7 volts on a 3000 mah battery. It is very sweet with a nice dense vapor.
As for the the World Health Organization, yes I agree with the fact that a human can tolerate certain levels of acrolein that is a fact and I agree it is correct. We are here to talk about using all or mostly Vegetable Glycerin. If you have another point of view you are in the wrong chat.
If any of you wish a link to any facts I have given I will be happy to post them, or you can just google.
As for the real topic I would like to say I am enjoying my blueberry in 95% VG I am using 2 holes that I made bigger, and i am running at 3.7 volts on a 3000 mah battery. It is very sweet with a nice dense vapor.
interesting read http://tobaccodocuments.org/product_design/2022176985-7022.html
seems that in cigarettes VG is bad and PG makes no difference.
and to the ninja .. 682mg of eliquid is not half a gallon, its a bit over half a ml, I vape 3000mg a day..
me .. I am a 50PG/50% VG to 100% PG dude, tried higher levels of VG but find it gets a horrible rancid burnt fat taste..
not in big mods high power, but just in a clunky old 510 with SR attys.
seems that in cigarettes VG is bad and PG makes no difference.
and to the ninja .. 682mg of eliquid is not half a gallon, its a bit over half a ml, I vape 3000mg a day..
me .. I am a 50PG/50% VG to 100% PG dude, tried higher levels of VG but find it gets a horrible rancid burnt fat taste..
not in big mods high power, but just in a clunky old 510 with SR attys.
I have a friend who is also sensitive and probably allergic to PG - you're not imagining it. She also gets a headache. She distills the VG and cleans her attys more often than I do - but loves it and has no problems with 100% VG.
Not sure if you intended to say that PG can degrade to acrolein when overheated, the wording is not clear - but it's VG that does this. However it does not occur in PVs because the atomizer works like an electric kettle element: a heating coil immersed in a liquid bath. The temperature stays relatively low. If the liquid is removed, then the coil can get hot enough to degrade the glycerine to acrolein, but for this to be true then there is no liquid to convert.
Tests have been made to confirm this: acrolein is not produced by heating VG in an ecig. However under some conditions, tiny and almost undetectable amounts of acrolein have been found; though way lower than is present in cigarette smoke (glycerine is added to tobacco). In order to detect acrolein most easily, high voltage would be used, and the test carried out just on vapor produced at the changeover point between the two states: enough liquid to cool the coil, and then zero liquid to convert; the test to be only carried out at the point at which coil temperature rises, before all liquid is vaporised (the 'dry hit' point).
So to avoid tiny amounts of acrolein that are almost undetectable, and considerably less than present in cigarette smoke: don't vape your coil dry at high voltage. Or don't inhale at the point where the coil goes dry.
Or: (a) vape PG-only if you like those dry hits; (b) with VG, just keep your atty wet
PG is produced from petroleum, which is a combination of living matter, mostly decomposed vegetation from eons ago. VG is produced from current vegetable sources, so both have their sources in related compounds.
Acrolein is produced at higher temperatures than that at which we vape, which is reported to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 degrees +/-. The key to preventing acrolein production is simple ... keep your carto or atty topped off and saturated. When the flavor drops, top it off and you won't get near the point of producing acrolein. PG boils at 180 degrees. VG boils at 290 degrees. Acrolein production can occur at 280 degrees. Keep it saturated and there shouldn't be a problem. Acrolein has an acrid, putrid odor. Stick to voltages as low as possible to produce an acceptable vapor for the resistances you use. Cranking it way up just might get you near the point of creation for acrolein. Below is a link to acrolein on ECF.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...problem-anyone-vaping-vg-read.html#post158270
Acrolein is produced at higher temperatures than that at which we vape, which is reported to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 degrees +/-. The key to preventing acrolein production is simple ... keep your carto or atty topped off and saturated. When the flavor drops, top it off and you won't get near the point of producing acrolein. PG boils at 180 degrees. VG boils at 290 degrees. Acrolein production can occur at 280 degrees. Keep it saturated and there shouldn't be a problem. Acrolein has an acrid, putrid odor. Stick to voltages as low as possible to produce an acceptable vapor for the resistances you use. Cranking it way up just might get you near the point of creation for acrolein. Below is a link to acrolein on ECF.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...problem-anyone-vaping-vg-read.html#post158270
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Why not try Virgin vapours, they have some great liquids and they are all organic and only have the natural flavours in them. they make it themselves. For example apple flavour will be made purely from apples no vg or pg. try googleing them.
Why not try Virgin vapours, they have some great liquids and they are all organic and only have the natural flavours in them. they make it themselves. For example apple flavour will be made purely from apples no vg or pg. try googleing them.
That's interesting, especially vaping without PG or VG and using the actual fruit.
But I want to point out that organic or natural does not always mean safe.
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