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This is the section of the Georgia article that interested me:
“K.C. Crosthwaite, an executive from Altria, the largest U.S. tobacco company and maker of Marlboro cigarettes, replaces Burns. Altria owns a 35% stake in Juul. (Altria is expected to open during the coming weeks a new “heat-not-burn” tobacco product store at Lenox Square in Buckhead, the company’s first store ahead of a national rollout.)”
Solvent I doubt. Oil based filler seems more likely. Data seems quite short here.
Below is a long investigative article about the THC carto connection. I don't believe anything the CDC or FDA says about vaping. They have an agenda. Regardless some bad stuff that shouldn't be there got into the liquid of these unlucky people. The CDC is never going to disclose the source of this problem because they want to scare as many people as possible. I'm sick of them.
Journey of a Tainted Vape Cartridge: From China’s Labs to Your Lungs
Journey of a Tainted Vape Cartridge: From China’s Labs to Your Lungs
I am starting to wonder about knock off (fake) Juul carts coming in from China or is anyone in the US making fake Juul carts? If you can believe that the Georgia guy only used nicotine...
parts of them apparently do. The CDC advice was not a final report, it was preliminary, and I’m not sure who delivered it
again, someone was anyway. Actual sources should be in a final report. Not sure when that is coming. If they delay it for a year for example it won’t matter any more
a lot of people are. That hysterical preliminary report that held back so much data did a lot to damage the credibility of the CDC as a group. The CDC exists to defend the nation from epidemic diseases. If no one trusts them to tell the truth we have a major chicken little problem that could get vast numbers of people killed. Health workers are already being attacked while trying to treat Ebola and whole nations are denying the existence of the disease in there borders even though there are confirmed cases.
Journey of a Tainted Vape Cartridge: From China’s Labs to Your Lungs[/QUOTE]
There should be a lot more data on the Georgia guy than there is. He’d have credit cards, he’d have an internet history, he’d have a bank account. Heck, he likely had a spouse.
Public health refers to institutions full of bureaucrats with agendas. The public's health is something different, entirely different. They believe lying is okay if it makes us behave as they approve because they know best. Trump has not drained the swamp as he promised.
We're in an awkward situation here. How do we reconcile your first sentence with our promotion of the "Public Health England" reports and recommendations.
IQOS, now cleared by the FDA, no doubt.
And there actually is quite a bit of info on it as it's been in the news for a while now. It was first launched in Japan and in Italy in 2014.
I'm so fond of the Brits (same for many Americans). They are our eccentric wacky grandparents but probably the most civilized people on earth. We're lucky they colonized N America and not some other colonial power. I believe the Royal College of Physicians was estalished 100 years before the Pilgrims stepped on Plymouth Rock. I'm criticizing American instutions who richly deserve it.
So is that a britishism where “public health” is actually a specific government organization? Because that’s not the way the term is used in the US.
Georgia announces first vaping death in the state
The man, who was older and lived outside of Metro Atlanta, died earlier this year. Officials say he was a former cigarette smoker, who switched to vaping six years ago. They say he was purchasing the same nicotine vape products from the same vape shop on a consistent basis. He was known to only vape with nicotine, and not THC.
Health officials say the man who died started experiencing the same symptoms as patients in other reported cases -- shortness of breath, chest pain, and cough – that eventually turned into pneumonia and then complete respiratory failure.
In addition to the man who died, Georgia health officials are investigating eight cases of vaping-related lung disease across the state, in which the patients have fallen ill; and other possible cases are being reviewed.
All patients were hospitalized and developed pneumonia with no known infectious cause. Cases range in age from 18 to 68 years (median age 26 years), 78% are male.
In addition to the man who died, Georgia health officials are investigating eight cases of vaping-related lung disease across the state, in which the patients have fallen ill; and other possible cases are being reviewed.
All patients were hospitalized and developed pneumonia with no known infectious cause. Cases range in age from 18 to 68 years (median age 26 years), 78% are male.
I don’t remember seeing that at all last time. It’s also very inconsistent with the rest of the article which says that nothing is known about specific products. Something is off.
Or at least get us more info and circumstances of the preliminary announcement. Who made it?
Hmmm .... Don't even know how to respond, and in any case it wouldn't be appropriate in this thread, so I'll just acknowledge that I read your post.
Something to keep in mind. Almost all adult vapers are former smokers. May be most are lucky enough to recover from their smoking but may be some do not. The information above does not say that the cause of death was chemical exposure, only that his symptoms were similar. May be the article was not complete. The anti's will try to blame vaping for every lung issue they can find in vapers regardless of evidence. The article does not define "older". How much older? What was his condition before this issue? I wonder when he last had a checkup.
P.S. did they test for THC in his system? (probably not) Was he a dual user? Information gaps are rampant in these stories.
P.S. did they test for THC in his system? (probably not) Was he a dual user? Information gaps are rampant in these stories.
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I agree. In reality though, he'd have to dissolve most of the federal agencies to do that. Even if he wanted to, I'm betting he would have an "accident" before he got that done.
Yes it is a gov partnership organisation in the UK. It's an executive branch of the Dept of Health & Social Care. It advises gov, educates the public, undertakes research and much else.
For some reason multiquote doesn't work for me -
@sofarsogood Yes we do have a well developed, but underfunded, health sector in the UK, the NHS is run and funded by gov and is a public health organisation. The NHS was founded in 1948.
Our medical institutions are indeed ancient and predate any other - the Royal College of Physicians was officially founded in 1518, it had existed before that however. Some of the members seem to be that old ....
Sadly our NHS is under threat by the Tory gov who are stealth privatising parts of it, Mr Trump expressed an interest in the USA investing in it. Aka - buy parts of it.
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